I lean a bit liberal on social issues but am a strict constitutionalist and fiscal conservative in the Jeffersonian fashion.
Saying such i have not had a big problem with the southern border's permeability until the last few years since the WOD has changed the situation.
After all unless you are full blood native american we all are immigrants.
I grew up with legal and illegal hispanics in central California in the sixties and seventies. Good people, hard working and with more family values than most.
I do not have any problem with this type of person entering this country, in fact we could use more like them.
The problem as I see it is the increased drug cartel border involvment over the last five yrs.
It has brought out a very narrow minded thinking about all who have made the trek to this country.Not just the newer criminal element.
That said what is transpiring on the border now is a travesty for the folks just looking for a better life and the people who live along the border.
We are fighting ghosts of terror 8000 miles away while the real deal is at our door. Let's be clear, many of the people coming his way are as much victims as we are of this blind eye policy.
At this point I think an armed civilian militia stationed along our border is the only answer while we are feeding the growth of the criminal drug cartels with our failed WOD.
This will cause a lot of hardship for both sides of the border but may well be the only way to protect our soil from further invasion by criminal drug organizations.
The social issues of illegal immigration can only be addressed once the criminal invasion of our borders is addressed. Much of which is caused by our own failed policies.
N.

Originally posted by centurion1211
One border rancher even found a muslim prayer rug on his property.

And?
What's the difference between a prayer rug and a rug?
OH MY GOD, a rancher found a rug!! oh nooo!!!!

You can't make a border person proof without going to extraordinary measures, I'ld suggest you ask east Germany but it's not a country anymore, the state failed because they spent so much time trying to control every damn thing.

Im not sure what mag i saw it in before but i recall an article I read in a mag when i was in baghdad from a british magazine that talked about a warehouse filled with weapons linked to a terror group in afghanistan That had the weapons in venezuala with manifesto plans to import weapons into the country that was actually caught by a company that imported coffee and then reported to british MI5 if anyone knows or can find anything about this i thought it may be relevant to the thread... I couldnt find what I was looking for on a quick source search so I dont expect anyone to quote me or use this as credible on this one but the implications of plans they are out there I am sure regardless

Originally posted by centurion1211
This video from an investigative report done by an Atlanta TV station tells a shocking and scary story about why border security is more important now than ever. It seems that the border patrol is also finding people from countries that sponsor terrorism. One border rancher even found a muslim prayer rug on his property.
[edit on 5/17/2010 by centurion1211]

I hear you, but look history.. THERE IS NOTHING NEW HERE. No surprises, no secrets, no mystery.. the ass-clown GOP & DNC party leaders know, but just don't care that so called "terrorists" can walk here and kill you.

It's not in the establishments best interests to solve the on-going "border crisis" as long as they can dupe new generations into purchasing the issue as if it was new... this debate right here was popular when I was a kid in the '80s.. not one person here including me has a new or fresh argument.

Tell me, what do TPTB care about more: solving border issues or passing rights eroding laws, military bases / foreign aid loan-bribes south of the border.. all that big govt spending that benefits them? The GOP/DNC party leader creeps this nation is too dumb to fire get waaaay too much mileage out of the border crisis .. never let a good crisis go to waste, eh?

Get all excited, make a sign & protest, write a strongly worded letter to your representative and point out all the official hypocrisy, laughable lunacy... rail on and on about endless govt common sense failures.. join generations before you, the frustrated millions who voiced their opinions to no avail.. then voted GOP or DNC expecting something at the border to "change".

Newsflash: establishment elite banker-gangsters who purchased both partys long ago like the US/Mexico border.. when they don't like something, they'll lie to wage wars other peoples kids can die fighting 8000 miles from US soil while sparing no expense.

Of course the only people that seem to have a problem with the law (which btw mirrors the federal law almost verbatim anyway). Why the outcry? If they are here legally, or legal citizens, then who cares?

I'm talking about people from every nation, not just Mexico or Central / South America.

What's to be mad at? If you don't belong here go home... Simple as that.

Originally posted by DaMod
Of course the only people that seem to have a problem with the law (which btw mirrors the federal law almost verbatim anyway). Why the outcry? If they are here legally, or legal citizens, then who cares?

I'm talking about people from every nation, not just Mexico or Central / South America.

What's to be mad at? If you don't belong here go home... Simple as that.

I bet a lot of Iraqis are saying the same thing when they see US troops: "Don't go away mad, just go away.. you don't belong here, go home.. simple as that"

Ah yes, the "go home" POV, this was popular in the '80s too... oldie but irrelevant goodie... Speaking of 'home', a dude I used to live next too was brought to the US at the age of 10, 20 years ago.. he grew up an American kid, lost his Canadian accent, aye.. never been arrested, works hard, he even tried to join the Marines.. if his 'home' isn't where he's lived for 20 years, where then is it?.. yank him away from his citizen daughter and send him back to Vancouver, eh?

Giving authorities more power over the movement of people on US soil has never once worked to deter illegals, BUT these additional powers have resulted in more & more US citizens getting caught in the drag-net.. being detained/harassed "your papers please?" at Border Patrol check-points.

But hey, rally & support the Az law.. people have been getting duped into supporting additional govt powers for generations.. it's just another law border brothers will scoff at, and the govt will use for extra gestapo check-points... lose/lose, as usual.