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Vt. farmer draws a line at US bid to bolster border..UPDATED

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posted on May, 18 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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Unfortunately I don't think the farmer in the OP has much choice really, the law as a previous poster stated is in the governments favour. Take the cash or get nothing is their choice as much as it may suck or seem unfair. I seem to remember some of the ranchers on your southern border being given the same ultimatum.




posted on May, 18 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by prionace glauca
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The thing about the North is that there are also Canadian LE's doing their job to protect the border. In the South Mexican LE's are promoting the behavior of border crossings and also are making money off of it.


I know I would not count on any other country to protect us. We should do all we can do to protect this country.



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 11:37 AM
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The farmer does have a fighting chance if this issue gets more ground in the public eye and also if the town is in favor shutting the border completely. Though if you shut the border, some economic impact might be felt by the town, though not sure how much exactly.

But the shear scope of spending $8million dollars in such a reclusive area where the townsman can do a better job at border screening than Homeland Security is even capable off is complete idiocy.



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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My question is this, who buys into this crap. Al Qeida IS a known CIA front, there are no terrorists other than those in "government" (the corporation) and all this drama is BS to begin with. There never was a threat, and the border situation was "created" so TPTB can contro both sides of the situation. We the people are the victims FROM BOTH SIDES.

When will the general public pull its proverbial head out of it's hiding place and understand what all this crap really is about and that it is not real. It is all fabricated, yea, the natives converted to Islam, KMA, they sooooooooooo did not. Only an idiot would believe that or believe ANYTHING the government or MSM has to say.

What a joke.

Edit to add, and if you all knew how to lay claim to your property, which is not yours BTW until you file a UCC-1 and an addendum and lay claim to it, THEN and only then do you have any chance of maintaining sovereignty and your property. This is all ridiculous propoganda to distract you from realizing the truth and setting yourself free and freeing others. Do you people not read the threads on sovereignty or your strawman?

[edit on 18-5-2010 by daddio]



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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How do you propose to control the massive populations? By controlling food and land. Homeland security is the smoke screen. Illegal immigration is the ammunition. The consequence is more government control sharing power with corporations. Mom and pops businesses are too individual and hard to control. Just look at the chaos in Boston and the resulting terrorism that included 13 territories.

The war began with mom & pop business owners that got together and overthrew a government. Rebels and terrorists are the enemy of the elite. Of course we are going to be persuaded to stop any signs of individual thinking. That includes rounding up any Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, etc. wannabes. The current powers don't need a reenactment of the Bostom Tea Party. That may lead to freedom and a new form of government.

They are going to promote the idea of everybody losing unless everybody submits to total US Government control. The British tried it and succeeded for several generations. Until the British government went too far. I believe we are at war again. The US government is going too far. Seizing lands and taxing our beer and tobacco is just a repeat in history.

Unfortunately, we have grown fat and lazy with big mouths and little brains. The government will get those lands and many others because we are no longer survivors in a wilderness willing to fight for our survival. We have become government dependent dupes!



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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Might I prescribe a Valium or Xanax.


If you clearly can not differentiate about which border is of immediate concern, then there really is no need for further replies to your posts.



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by daddio
reply to post by prionace glauca
 


My question is this, who buys into this crap.
Edit to add, and if you all knew how to lay claim to your property, which is not yours BTW until you file a UCC-1 and an addendum and lay claim to it, THEN and only then do you have any chance of maintaining sovereignty and your property.

This is all ridiculous propoganda to distract you from realizing the truth and setting yourself free and freeing others. Do you people not read the threads on sovereignty or your strawman?

[edit on 18-5-2010 by daddio]


You are mistaken. www.sos.nh.gov... This only covers financing and debtors. It does not provide sovereighnty, which is impossible in this new age. There are laws governing who may and who may not gain sovereignty. The native American Indians were granted a partial self governing clause and even today, they are constatntly in court defending their lands from development. Churches have a partial and even they can lose out. The government and corporations win every time.

Paper is only as good as the tree. Once the government has seized the property it becomes a court battle proving the government acted illegally. You don't get the land back, you only get a financial settlement.



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by peggy m
The US government is going too far. Seizing lands and taxing our beer and tobacco is just a repeat in history.

Unfortunately, we have grown fat and lazy with big mouths and little brains. The government will get those lands and many others because we are no longer survivors in a wilderness willing to fight for our survival. We have become government dependent dupes!


Do not despair, for the true American Citizens shall prevail. We have overcome huge odds before, this is only an administration of puppets whose true masters still hide in the shadows out of fear because of our strength as one nation, under god.

The puppets in charge are awakening everyday Americans who were deliberately confused to allow for such a treasonous administration to come to power. Now with their actions they are re-energizing us Americans to get up and save our constitution. You might not see it around you, but it is happening. Don't give up on the Constitution and your Country.


The colonists sang a song about the Boston Tea Party. It started like this:
"Rally, Mohawks! Bring out your axes,
And tell King George we'll pay no taxes
On his foreign tea."
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"Rally, Mohawks! Bring out your axes,
And tell King Obama we'll pay no taxes
for his socialist policies."



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by jam321
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Well, aren't you proud to break the laws


Your whole thread is based on a law. A law that is legal.

Yet you argue against it. Is that what you consider law abiding to be?

I ask you, Is federal eminent domain legal or not?


You need to wake up to reality, Canada is not the problem...the Southern Border is


Then you should have made your thread about the two borders and not try to use this incident as a reason to bring in the Southern border. People on the Southern border might lose some land under eminent domain as well.

Obviously, this is not the issue you really want to talk about. By the way, should we wait for the Northern border to become a problem or should we prevent the problem from ever happening?

Just imagine if someone had taken proactive, rather than reactive, measures at the Southern Border.


So if you have a minor cut you should tend to that before you stem the flow of blood from a major artery?



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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There you go again blowing on that "Racist" horn of yours.


If the shoe fits....


Go and read the article, then try to comprehend my post. I mention that efforts need to be put where the problem is.


THen you should support this because they clearly say this is a weak spot on the border for security reasons.



What is more of a problem....terrorists sneaking in a nuke there and blowing up New York City or an illegal crossing the border to pick strawberries???

The only way an illegal looking for work trumps a terrorists trying to sneak in weapons is if you have other motives for wanting to keep out the illegal...for example if you are a big racist.


You are a race baiting fool. The over whelming influx of ILLEGAL immigrants is the equivalent of economic terrorism. Our system cannot sustain them all. They come here Work in the fields as you say, because apparently according to you Mexicans can only work in the fields. They are not paying taxes. They are not putting back into the system that will ultimately care for them. How long will the country survive with th is model?



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 04:28 PM
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Published on Monday, May 17, 2010 by The Boston Globe
Vermont Farmer Draws a Line at US Bid to Bolster Border
Homeland Security threatens to seize 4.9 acreswww.commondreams.org...


www.msnbc.msn.com...

Feds threaten eminent domain grab on Vermont farm

From the Care 2 Petition site !

Folks of ATS Please help Sign the petition from this site!!!!!!!!

www.thepetitionsite.com...


Under the revised plan, the new border crossing would be built on five acres of working farmland owned by Clement and Elizabeth Rainville. Just this week the Rainville family received notice from the Army Corps of Engineers that it will begin the condemnation process of the land in 60 days if the family does not agree to sell it. At a time when Franklin County farmers face the dual challenges of a down economy and crisis in the dairy industry, we find it wrong that the federal government would add yet another layer of hardship to a family farm.


NOTE !!! Franklin County !!! is Next to my County!!!!! Franklin NY is next to Vermont
Will My County be next ? already there is Security Towers and 3x as much Boarder patrol ! then it should be ! as i mention on a thread I made and a Moderator Closed it down because of a Double Thread...

en.wikipedia.org...



[edit on 18-5-2010 by Wolfenz]

to add is this a Fund Raiser Approach! ?

[edit on 18-5-2010 by Wolfenz]



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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I really don't see why the US would want to spend money on the Canadian border, anything coming trough there had to go trough Canada first and trust me, that ain't easy, just going there for a few weeks to visit family takes loads of paperwork.



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by Romekje
I really don't see why the US would want to spend money on the Canadian border, anything coming trough there had to go trough Canada first and trust me, that ain't easy, just going there for a few weeks to visit family takes loads of paperwork.


Exactly. I did a quick check and found out Canada has 13 international airports and the list of all airports is small and takes up one wiki page. The US on the other hand has so many airports they have to be listed as links to the corrisponding states.


Naturally, with such a small number of airports and people arriving compared to the US, Canadian customs can be more thorough screening people coming into Canada.

Also, I believe Canadian customs has a little more common sense as I have yet to see a 6 year old held by Canadian officials because his name matches some adult's on the no fly list.



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 06:04 PM
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you should build a big wall across the Canada border. they are evil they will start a war. and when they speak the top of there head goes up and down!
I have seen it on south park so it must be true.
Blame Canada!!!

what you should do is let the Canadian embassy know what America thinks of them!
that they are terrorists and Canadians come to America as illegal immigrants.
maybe there is another reason for this???



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 07:49 PM
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I don't know if your post sarcasm or not.

I hope it is...



posted on May, 19 2010 @ 12:40 AM
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I certainly am not mistaken. I have studied this for years as have so many other people. We have done this. The federal government can not do anything legally. Read every Constitution in every state. It states explicitly that ALL POLITICAL POWER IS INHERENT IN THE PEOPLE.

As wella sthe Tenth Amendment. If you know how to file the paperwork and enforce your sovereign rights, they have nothing. Read "All Roads Lead to Rome" thread. Learn something, stop living in fear of the "government" which actually has little power over us, WE own them. And it is up to all of us to understand that. This farmer is doing the right thing. The border patrol isn't to keep terrorists out, which there really isn't any, but to keep us in and snooping reporters out when the Martial law goes into effect. How much BS will you actually believe? Why would I post BS, what do "I" have to gain? Nothing, what do TPTB have to gain, everything. Come on already.



posted on May, 19 2010 @ 02:20 AM
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The puppets in charge are awakening everyday Americans who were deliberately confused to allow for such a treasonous administration to come to power.


Don't get off track here. This ridiculous policy didn't magically appear in a puff of smoke after Obama clicked his heels. All this admin is doing is continuing the nonsense started (instigated) by the previous one.

The Canada/US border operation was for a long time a fairly sensible and civil arrangement -- until the Bush administration ended that. Thats when it changed from civil to encountering military in camo fatigues, rifles cocked, yelling at me to get out of my truck in order for it to be inspected.

Crazy. Just crazy.



posted on May, 19 2010 @ 07:50 AM
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that is exactly right! They need to put this kind of attention on our southern boarders. And seizing these people's land is just crazy...that is what big government does and it contiues to get worse.



posted on May, 19 2010 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by wayno
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The puppets in charge are awakening everyday Americans who were deliberately confused to allow for such a treasonous administration to come to power.


Don't get off track here. This ridiculous policy didn't magically appear in a puff of smoke after Obama clicked his heels. All this admin is doing is continuing the nonsense started (instigated) by the previous one.

The Canada/US border operation was for a long time a fairly sensible and civil arrangement -- until the Bush administration ended that. Thats when it changed from civil to encountering military in camo fatigues, rifles cocked, yelling at me to get out of my truck in order for it to be inspected.

Crazy. Just crazy.


Thanks to 9/11 more security was applied at the borders, oh wait never mind only the Northern Borders were more strengthened because Canada is also doing its part post 9/11. Down South, this administration is filing lawsuits against the state that decided to enforce Federal Laws. Laws which none of the players in this administration have READ,


So I am quite on track, I suggest you should stay on track.

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posted on May, 19 2010 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by wayno
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All this admin is doing is continuing the nonsense started (instigated) by the previous one.


And the one before that, and before that, and before..



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