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Vt. farmer draws a line at US bid to bolster border..UPDATED

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posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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Ahem....clears throat......

There are between 13- 20 million plus or minus illegals in the United States, the majority of which are from latin american countries, whether that be from Latin, South or Central America.

Being honest, how many do you actually think entered the country
illegally thru Canada? Then include in your forumla that the population of Canada in 2009 was only 33 million. Here's another clue:
As of 2006, there were 304,245 Latin Americans living in Canada, or
1% of their population. It's not about race, it's about numbers people.

Think about it, and you will understand.




[edit on 17-5-2010 by manta78]




posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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Southern Border= War Zone
Northern Border= Not much so.

Get your head out of your ass and stop trying to bait people into your little racist rants, you sound like a child. You sir, are the poster child for an ATS troll.

Oh and BTW- I dont think anyone on this site takes you seriously at all.
If they do, I want some of what they are smoking.

This will be my last post to you, for good.

Farewell.

Watch out for them white racists~! They are everywhere!



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:36 AM
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Weak spot on whose analysis? Napalotiano dumb butts analysis? Seriously the Kool Aid drinking might take a bit longer to wear off on those people who actually think that this VT farmers region is a Dangerous Zone.



Someone has obviously determined that spot to be a weak spot.

This is how our government works...we elect people...they make decisions. Believe it or not...this is not a democracy...your say goes only as far as the ballot box.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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Knowing that this is a VT. farmer, and the fact that most of my family is from the New England area, this man will not be afraid to exercise his 2nd Amendment Rights. I know my family wouldn't be afraid to do so.


I bet anything they won't "exercise his 2nd Amendment Rights"...and I bet you wouldn't either. Tough internet talk...it is funny.

Who are you going to shoot...the construction workers who go to develop the land???

And what does "exercise his 2nd Amendment Rights" even mean.

2nd Amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

So is he going to stand there bearing his arms??? The 2nd Amendment doesn't give you the right to just shoot anyone who you disagree with.



Oh OutKast, there you go with that "you are just an armchair warrior" debate again. If government workers were going to come in and take my land, the land that I need to make my business and livelihood survive, then you're damn right I would take arms against them. There is a reason that we have the second amendment: to protect from an unjust government, which in this case seems like 'the shoe fits'.

And the fact that you are pulling the race card yet again just shows how much of Napalitano's kool-aide you have been drinking. This has nothing to do with "brown people" it has to do with the fact that they are appropriating funds where they do not belong (If it were me, I'd send them 100k to make a nice little office hut thing, put in some phones and internet access, an automated road barrier and call it a day). It has to do with the fact that the US Government needs to be allocating resources to the bigger gaps in security: aka: The Southern Border. I bet this road probably doesn't get more than three cars a day, and given the fact that I am familiar with that general area, those that are coming through the border at that crossing are more than likely just fishing, hunting, or doing business with the local farmers in the area. I think you need to put the race card away until you actually need it, as this isn't the time for it.


Peace be with you.

-truthseeker



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:46 AM
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Can you show us anything that there is a mass entrance into the United States via the Canadian border - as there is from Mexico?


From my knowledge, no one is saying there is a "mass entrance" from Canada...and neither am I. What they are saying is that it is a weak spot where terrorists could sneak in dangerous material. I don't know the area so I can't say if this is true or not. But this is what they are saying...they are not saying they are trying to stop a mass entrance.

How many would it take to sneak in a briefcase nuke?

Where would you rather sneak in something like this if your target was New York or DC....the VT border and travel around 400 miles with your material to your target...or the Mexican border and travel around 2000 miles to your target???

If we are talking security...and we know the most logical targets are in the north...then yes I would say the northern border is more important.

Stopping an illegal Mexican from working in a field VS stopping a terrorists with dangerous material. Seems like a no-brainer to me.


Or is your sole purpose here to throw out unjustified "you are a racist against browns" comments?


I'm just commenting on a trend I see on ATS.

Do you honestly not see the open hatred and racism towards "illegal immigrants" (aka brown people) on ATS lately??? Things like this just prove that the BS they are spouting about "we need to control all borders" is in fact just BS. They don't care about "border security"...only stopping brown skinned people from coming in.

"THEY are invading us".
"We are losing OUR country".
"They are destroying OUR culture".
"The average Hispanic immigrant has x children...after y years that will be Z amount of children....they are taking us over"

All common statments (paraphrased) seen on ATS when talking about illegal immigration...and you want to pretend it has nothing to do with race?



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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whatever they're smoking, I want some, retards don't they realize the real threat is the southern border. I'd rather see a bunch of canadians coming here(but why would they want to?) then a crapload of drug mules from mexico!!!!!!



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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The last I checked, these "brown" people streaming into our country aren't
coming from Canada. Or do you know the difference? The last map I
looked at shows Tijuana and other mexican towns down in the south,
not up by Montreal. I don't know why we need to worry too much about
our neighbors up north too much. Sure, we need to keep an eye on who is
coming into the country from the north, but 99.99 % of the problem just
happens to be "brown" people.

And the last I heard, these aren't Norwegians, Swiss, Irish, French,
German, Finnish or Scottish people coming across the southern border.
You guessed it, it is "brown" people from Mexico . Spread your
disinformation elsewhere. No one is buying your argument.



Doesn't this whole post just kind of prove my point???

He obviously has an issue with the brown people from Mexico.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:49 AM
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Ahem....clears throat......

There are between 13- 20 million plus or minus illegals in the United States, the majority of which are from latin american countries, whether that be from Latin, South or Central America.

Being honest, how many do you actually think entered the country
illegally thru Canada? Then include in your forumla that the population of Canada in 2009 was only 33 million. Here's another clue:
As of 2006, there were 304,245 Latin Americans living in Canada, or
1% of their population. It's not about race, it's about numbers people.

Think about it, and you will understand.



What I understand from your post is that your main goal for "border security" is to keep out "brown people".

It has NOTHING to do with SECURITY...you guys just use that as a cover.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:50 AM
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Once you race bait people, people will respond your baiting. I am brown, and I want those southern borders closed. I myself am a Legal Immigrant, I would like to see all of the Illegal Brown, Purple, Red, Green, Yella', White, Black, Blue people deported.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:54 AM
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If government workers were going to come in and take my land, the land that I need to make my business and livelihood survive, then you're damn right I would take arms against them.


The question still remains "WHO" would you take arms against?

The local police that come to evict you from your land?

The local construction worker that comes to develop the land?

Or are you going to hunt down the analyst that determined that spot to be a weak spot where terrorists could sneak in material and weapons?

Maybe just go straight after Obama?

Who would you take arms against?


So let me get this straight from everyone...illegal immigrants looking for work is more important than a potential terrorist coming through that spot with some sort of dangerous material???



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:56 AM
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"It's not about race, it's about numbers people. "


What part of this statement do you not understand???


How do you know whether or not if I am brown, have a brown wife, or brown children? Who is making racist comments now? Give me a break. Most of the hispanic people I know (and yes you can be white and have hispanic friends too) living in Texas, and other states, are either resident aliens or citizens, and are very much against this so called Aztlan movement , being pushed by La Raza.

They have told me that they are 100% in favor of stopping illegal immigration, and a few have even turned in people they knew were illegal, stating that they had to work very hard, and spend a considerable amount of money to enter this country legally thru the immigration system front door, vs. sneaking in the back door, and do not feel that people who do so are worthy of living here, as it shows a great deal of disrespect for the United States.











[edit on 17-5-2010 by manta78]



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:57 AM
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Once you race bait people, people will respond your baiting. I am brown, and I want those southern borders closed. I myself am a Legal Immigrant, I would like to see all of the Illegal Brown, Purple, Red, Green, Yella', White, Black, Blue people deported.


You say race bait...I say calling it as I see it. It would only offend you if it is true...right?

You can be "brown" and still be "racist" towards other "browns". Hispanics are notorious for that. Let me guess...you are not from Mexico...right? Doesn't really matter...because even within Mexicans there is "racism" towards certain groups.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:57 AM
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This is my last post to you, a quote, because, well, I'm tired of feeding another troll.



"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin



Peace be with you.

-truthseeker



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:59 AM
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Listen don't get off topic in my thread. You wan to make this a racial war go to Below Top Secret and start your own thread or Stay on Topic.

Vermont isn't the location where the Government needs to focus its attention. The southern borders are. Just look at all the border states considering to pass the same laws Arizona has, and that alone should be a message to this idiotic administration where the "WEAK SPOTS" are.

Someone needs to HiJack Obama's Teleprompter because "We The People" aren't seem to be reaching to him.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:59 AM
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It shouldn't be about numbers...it should be about the most serious threat to our nations SECURITY.

No one has tried to explain to me how an illegal immigrant working in a field is more dangerous than a potential terrorists crossing that spot with a briefcase nuke. I'd be interested to hear that.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 12:09 PM
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I am completely on topic...you just don't agree with me.

If you are about "border security" then you should have no problem with this because they have declared it a weak spot where terrorists could easily sneak in dangerous material.

The government can multi-task you know...just because they are doing this doesn't mean they can't do something else at the same time. They declared this a threat to our SECURITY...which is more important than illegals looking for work...and they are dealing with it.

There is only ONE reason I can think of that people that scream about border security would have a problem with this.

Answer me this...do you support the government taking land away from American citizens on the southern border in order to "secure" it?



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 12:13 PM
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Do you know how many waterways exist between Canada and the US? You could smuggle in pot, people, nukes all day long without ever setting foot on land.

Seriously, two boats, one from the US, one from Canada, can meet in any of the great lakes, exchange goods, and return to their respective countries without ever saying "boo" to customs or border patrols.

In fact I seem to recall boating to Windsor Island (big casino resort area), the Canadian side from the US side and never encountered a solitary border or customs agent. They even told us to simply PHONE in when we arrived - and this was post-911.

So what's the big deal with the land grab in Vt.? It's inconceivable that his little power play would make the US/Canadian border more secure.

Maybe there's an official with a grudge against the Rainville family?

The real border threat is with Mexico. That threat has been illegal aliens, and drug runners - but so far, not terrorist. THAT's the border that needs serious fixing. If - IF - a terrorist wanted to smuggle a nuke into the US from either the Canadian border or the Mexican border, he would FIRST have to smuggle it into one of those countries, and I'm a little more concerned about Mexican security than I am with Canadian.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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The Rainvilles suggest that the Morses Line port, where only 14,811 vehicles crossed in 2009, could be shut down altogether. They say the stimulus money would be better spent upgrading the busy Highgate Springs port 11 miles to the west, where Interstate 89 connects with a Canadian route to Montreal. Hundreds of thousands of vehicles cross there each year.


We have one border crossing where less than 15,000 vehicles crossed last year, and another 11 miles west where hundreds of thousands of vehicles crossed. I agree with the farm owners, common sense would say to upgrade the port that has the greatest amount of traffic going through it. If the Morses line port has such a low amount of traffic going through it as opposed to the Highgate port, then just close the Morses port down all together, and focus on the high volume port.

What really gets me is the known fact that our southern borders are bringing in a way more dangerous element than our northern borders. We have drug cartels coming through our southern borders that are killing our citizens. I haven't seen any information stating that citizens in our northern border states are being murdered by drug cartels coming across those borders. Why is our government attempting to steal land from people to secure borders that don't pose anywhere near the threat that our southern borders do at this point in time ?!

What they are offering to pay this family for their land is no where near what it's worth to them. If you openly put your land on the market, then you can only expect to get what it is worth to those offering to buy it. When someone comes to you asking you to sell them your property, then they should expect to have to pay you what the property is worth to you. They should also expect that you may not be willing to sell at all. The government is simply attempting to pull a land grab similar to that of the land barons years ago.


But they were rankled by a recent government assessment that described the 4.9 acres as undeveloped and insignificant to their operation.


Who the hell is the government to say that any portion of this family's land is insignificant to their operation ?!

The land is as significant as the owners deem it to be, and if they choose not to develope it that is their right.


The plot is a fraction of their 220-acre property, but it constitutes about one-twelfth of their available hay land. It yields 1,000 bales of hay a year; without it, the family would need to buy the hay at $3.25 a bale, and possibly reduce the number of cows, said Craig Rainville, 32.


A thousand bales of hay a year sounds like a significant part of their operation to me. Why should they be forced to sell off any of their land, let alone a portion of their land that is used to grow food for their animals ?! This would in turn force them to purchase the food for their animals at a hefty cost to them, when they are able to grow it for free on their own land.


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posted on May, 17 2010 @ 12:15 PM
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The people of the southern border have already given the government land, how do u think they were able to build a fence in the first place?


Before making comments out of your ass do a little research first. The weak spots are not up North, they are down South. The funding for security should be put in the southern states.




posted on May, 17 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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The people of the southern border have already given the government land, how do u think they were able to build a fence in the first place?



I didn't ask if they have or not already. I am asking if you support the government seizing land from American citizens to secure the southern border.

There were plenty of lawsuits about this very topic when they were building the "fence" (joke).


I'm just curious if you support the government seizing property on the southern border because you seem very against them doing it on the northern border.




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