US Federal Government run media

Hey, just wondering what everyone thinks of the Obama Administration run media.

With the interviews, the photos and the video being released lately, I was wondering what everyone thinks of the new and improved media?

Is there a problem with this?

Should we just eliminate all media and just have state run media?

I think everyone knows my position, the government is an honest and fair entity. Why should we have anyone have access to the government? Why should anyone ask any questions of government? I mean REALLY, what is the purpose of all these different sources of news? Would it not just be more EFFICIENT with a huge government run media? It is the best way to go! Think of it this way, the huge government is super efficient and excellently run, so why not just eliminate all these frivolous news organizations. Heck, everyone keeps calling it the MSM and everyone is just a shill for some other entity, right? And what is with these new citizen reporters? Who do they think THEY are? What is with all these people on the internet making their viewpoints known? Who do they think they are?

I am thinking that we should probably model our country, just like the one in the above paragraph. You know North Korea. They have a wonderful society.

What do you think ATS? Let us just get rid of the frivolous media, those evil corporations, except of course the ones that already work for the government!

That was one of the greatest exhibitions of sarcasm I've ever seen.

I don't necessarily mind a state run media as long as there's still independent media sources. The BBC and CBC are shining examples of this. However then I remember this is America, the country that could # up toast. So I'll just stick to ATS for my news. Besides... don't we already have a state run media?

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Well, it does seem like it a lot of times.

I was being serious in the beginning of my sarcastic rant.

Obama not allowing any interviews of his SC pick.

Having interviews done by his staff. Video taping things going on in the WH and releasing it. That kind of manipulation has not been so blatant since Joseph Goebbels.

Plus, I am really getting sick of the WH press meetings. Manipulations there make me sick. We are in two wars yet, a huge oil spill crisis, economy meltdown and the press treats them with kid gloves. Hell if the gloves were any softer, they would be a made of silk.

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Yeah the symbol of America's "free media" is an ancient senior citizen who while a legend doesn't even seem to know where she is anymore. When was the last tough interview the media conducted with a prominent politician or when was the last time someone actually asked a direct question to a politician?

But then you start to think about it...

MSNBC - Owned by General Electric and Microsoft
Fox News - Owned by Ruppert Murdoch
ABC - Owned by Disney
CNN - Owned by Time Warner

And then you read that the United States is 20th in the world in regards to Freedom of the Press (it was in the 50s during the Bush Administration) and you have to wonder is there really such a thing as a free media? The media to me is just marketing and commercials like everything else in American culture. The days of unbiased reporting went out with Cronkite and Murrow.

Absolutely - except for some radio stations and the Fox News network.

As a matter of fact, I have traded in the MSM - main stream media - acronym for SCM - state controlled media - to describe MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, NY and LA Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, etc., etc.

Remember how Pravda was during the soviet union? That is exactly how our SCM functions today. Whatever message the obama administration wants to put out is what we get from the SCM.



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They'll probably set up a "White House Press" agency-- don't be surprised.

U.S. Govt doesn't run the media.


The corporations that OWN the U.S. Government also OWN the media.
This is nothing new. It started in the 1920's.

Behind The Big News: Propaganda and the CFR

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Wait, you mean we don't already have state ran media?

Wow, could have fooled me!

Funny how the only media sources that can be trusted are the ones that cater and lie to conservative republicans.

So, in other words, to NOT see Obama as a socialist pig, who wants to carve up the constitution and eat puppy livers, means they are in his back pocket. (snicker)

Has it ever occurred to any of you that the OTHER HALF of the country you live in believes in equal rights for all, helping the less fortunate in our society, and real fiscal responsibility?

Could it be that MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, NY and LA Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, don't want to engage in fact-less witch hunts that discredits them, and undermines their journalistic integrity?

Ever wonder why Fox news always says they are the ONLY news source to trust? "America's most trusted news source.. (psssst, and everyone else is lying, don't listen to them)" Really? And that doesn't make you the least bit suspicious?

Imagine for a moment that you have a new job and there is one guy who tells you to just take his directions because everyone else will lie about how to do your job. Now he constantly tells you the boss is an lying asshat who is embezzling, don't trust the nice co-workers who are trying to help you, and encourages you to pull your gun if management tries to make improvements to your company.

That is how liberals and democrats see fox news

Hmm, hopefully this doesn't derail the thread.
What happened to the analog signals for tv broadcast? Now that we've moved onto digital for that distribution, can't they become public domain? And has anyone tried to create a pirate tv station that you know about? I think we may need them pretty soon.

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For me, it's a lot more simpler.

The media reinforces the government, which supports corporations, which own the media, which reinforce the government.

Just because Fox News offers "dissent" towards Obama does not mean Fox News is to be trusted. Really, think about it; if there was NO media source on cable that brought forth conservative ideals right now, the conservatives would be in more of an uproar than ever. Fox News exists because without it, without some form of "dissent" towards the perceived "status quo", those that want the dissenting voice will make the voice be heard much louder. And besides, there is also the market to consider.

Really, this false left-right paradigm needs to die already and I'm shocked it's still prevalent here on Fox. There is no "left" or "right" in our government. It isn't any specific political alignment. It's a cluster# of communist concepts, fascist concepts, and corporatist concepts, interwoven together and glossed over with the illusion of the constitutional republic it once was. The only specific path one can attribute to America is a technocratic authoritarian state with the masses deluded into thinking they are still free. # democrats. # republicans. They don't exist, it's just a brand name.

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Has it ever occurred to any of you that the OTHER HALF of the country you live in believes in equal rights for all, helping the less fortunate in our society, and real fiscal responsibility?

Yeah, we keep hearing this ad nauseum, but what occurred to us is that if you believe in equal rights for all, then why are you so insistent on forcing a socialist tax scheme on all? What occurred to us is that if you are so in favor of fiscal responsibility then what the hell makes you think creating such a huge tax scheme for the government to collect will lead to fiscal responsibility? What occurred to us is that if you care so much for the less fortunate why do you advocate income tax?

Could it be that MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, NY and LA Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, don't want to engage in fact-less witch hunts that discredits them, and undermines their journalistic integrity?

They have no problem at all in engaging in "fact-less" witch hunts on everyday citizen's, just ask Joe the Plumber, or members of Huratee, or members of the Tea Party now colloquial called "Teabaggers", and sure, their incessant use of the term "homegrown terrorist" is full of facts and not at all a witch hunt, just as their incessant use of the term "anarchists" during the G20 protests was totally fact based.

Ever wonder why Fox news always says they are the ONLY news source to trust? "America's most trusted news source.. (psssst, and everyone else is lying, don't listen to them)" Really? And that doesn't make you the least bit suspicious?

Ever wonder why Walter Conkrite was always called the "most trusted man in America"? (Psssst, there ain't no other sources out there right now, so you may as well trust the old guy.) Really? And no one was the least bit suspicious about this?

Imagine for a moment that you have a new job and there is one guy who tells you to just take his directions because everyone else will lie about how to do your job. Now he constantly tells you the boss is an lying asshat who is embezzling, don't trust the nice co-workers who are trying to help you, and encourages you to pull your gun if management tries to make improvements to your company.

Imagine for a moment that a left wing socialist could actually explain their ideas without resorting to pointless hypothetical situations. Now, he constantly uses these hypothetical situations to frame the President as your boss, and gets really offended when someone rejects this idea and dares to call that clown an asshat, and then, in spite of his own provocative user name, uses this hypothetical to paint the guy calling the President an asshat as seditious and through implication, a "homegrown terrorist", while assuring everyone that the "boss" is only trying to improve our lives.

That is how liberals and democrats see fox news

This is how reasonable people see not just liberals and Democrats, but Republicans too, and how they see all mainstream media, which FOX news is most certainly a part of.

where do you guys go to read the "news"??? i try to go to a variety of sources but they tend to lean far left or far right. any credible "news" sources out there to consider? i dont see how the us could be 50th in the world for freedom of the press, last i checked we had the freedom to see alternative views and or global issues from different points of view..

Originally posted by conspiracy nut
where do you guys go to read the "news"??? i try to go to a variety of sources but they tend to lean far left or far right. any credible "news" sources out there to consider? i dont see how the us could be 50th in the world for freedom of the press, last i checked we had the freedom to see alternative views and or global issues from different points of view..

There is no such thing as unbiased news sources. The only unbiased news source is your own observation. Everything else is filtered through another persons perception, whether you watch Fox, listen to Alex Jones, or go straight to the AP.

A government that controls the press, will lead to other controls over the individual freedoms of a people. It leads to abuse and a government that no longer fears the population, but a population that should fear its government and is being told what to think and believe. A free press means that there are no questions that are out of bounds, no ideas that can be censored, and no voice that can not be heard. A free press is the first line of defense against the abuses of the government. It allows for the sharing of ideas and a means to get the word out about things that matter to some of the population and for people to actually speak and speculate. It is also the first means for the public to redress the government. It is the last bastion of the freedom of Speech. If the federal government does take over the press to control the flow of information, then I would be more inclined to warm up the printer and start printing out my own ideas and handing them out to the general population to include on the evils of that government.

Thanks everyone for your opinions.

Who the hell do you think you are? You have no right to an opinion? This is the US, you will have the opinion the media and the government give you. Or, they will demonize you.



If you do not know the enemy, you will not learn your enemies movements and agenda.

I find it absolutely eye opening who attacked specific outlets and who did not.

I watch all the MSM outlets. Most of the time I just get pissed, but sometimes you can glean information even from propaganda, if you have their key. They will tell you the truth, just in a coded form.

Look at it this way, the Dem Repub paradigm has been keeping this country under it's thumb for quite some time. It works REAL well.

You do not think that the MSM is NOT set up the same way?

Jeez, open your eyes folks and GET A CLUE! The government is not your buddy. It is not your source of the money that they BRIBE you with. That MONEY is stolen from your neighbor. After the government takes their cut, usually about 75%, they give a little back to you, with strings attached to hell itself. Do you have ANY self respect? Do you have any honor?

Yes, you had to pay in some, so does that give you the right to perpetuate Ponzei and Madoff upon us.

Now, I went off on a tangent, back on point.

You have a decision, do you trust someone else with YOUR power and rights?

Or do you trust yourself with that?

The time is coming to either tyranny or freedom. Which do you choose?

Originally posted by endisnighe
Thanks everyone for your opinions.



The time is coming to either tyranny or freedom. Which do you choose?

Of course I choose freedom as do most aware and thinking folks. but....

e. do you have a timeline when we can expect this tyranny? From what I see, the lines at the better restaurants are getting longer, the malls are filled with goofy looking teenagers and their fat moms, Most people still have jobs, the www. is still up and running, and people can still watch what ever news, porn, or dumbass cop shows they choose. All I see on the roads are people driving new pickups and SUVs; I might even be able to afford one too as my business is picking up nicely.


Perhaps it is, but somehow it dosen't feel like tyranny except when I go to the airport to get on a plane or get a ticket for not wearing my seatbelt.

I agree however that the system of presenting news in America sucks but you get what you pay for in a Corpratracracy. That's why I watch BBC and even theirs is filled with banal fluff.













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Yes, my town isn't that bad either. Of course the city is raising their property taxes, AGAIN. I am sure ol Dole will attempt to do the same at the state level before he leaves office. Because we all know that taxes breeds prosperity. Also, I am sure tripling the cost of all energy and all products with the Cap and Tax bill coming, will certainly help the economy and me being able to feed myself and mine. I am also sure that the other things not covered in the MSM, will be the best for the nation.

Now, what I would love to see is a conspiracy channel on the propaganda box. Who do I sell my soul to in government, to be allowed to start a cable channel?

I am sure there is a devil somewhere in government that allows this, aye?

Originally posted by endisnighe


Now, what I would love to see is a conspiracy channel on the propaganda box. Who do I sell my soul to in government, to be allowed to start a cable channel?

It's not as difficult as one might think and you can keep most of your soul. I work on TV pilots all the time as an associate producer/director, PA, cast or crew.

Write a treatment or beginning script, business plan, approach some venture capitalists, and pitch your idea to any of the cable networks.
I started small by taking the producer classes [100 bucks]from our local cable access channel, apprenticeship to a producer and now I'm busy all the time working for some well known and not so well known studios here in Tamalewood. Invariably I'm the oldest guy on the set. It's never to late.

Dissatisfied with the current state of affairs in the media, quit whining, roll up your sleeves and get to work. Start with this...www.cablemaven.com...

or is it more satisfying to just complain and not do anything?

As long as freedom to start up your own cable network exists; tyranny is a long way off.







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Originally posted by endisnighe
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Yes, my town isn't that bad either. Of course the city is raising their property taxes, AGAIN. I am sure ol Dole will attempt to do the same at the state level before he leaves office. Because we all know that taxes breeds prosperity. Also, I am sure tripling the cost of all energy and all products with the Cap and Tax bill coming, will certainly help the economy and me being able to feed myself and mine. I am also sure that the other things not covered in the MSM, will be the best for the nation.

At least some local towns are doing things to help the situation. My town and those around it are being afforded a tax cut on new businesses in the area. And it's an important area because it has a fairly busy international airport at it. I might actually find a job after a year!

You know, this might sound unrelated but it reminds me of the very newspaper I read this from. It's a local paper for the surrounding areas and there is a section called "SPEAK OUT" where readers can send in little comments about some issue, and sometimes even respond to another comment. And I've noticed for the past 6 months or so there has been an increase in the dissenting comments in this section towards the government. And not just a republican or conservative or liberal kind of thing, they're just #ing pissed off! And this is in Connecticut of all places!

So maybe that is a good place to start; CHECK YOUR LOCAL PAPERS OUT! Not the state wide major papers, but the your local tri-town sort of papers. It might not help with worldwide issues so much but there is a chance that you have search a section like this "speak out" in mine and you can see how people ACTUALLY feel!