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F-16s respond to flight near Mexican border in AZ

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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 07:51 PM
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F-16s respond to flight near Mexican border in AZ


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PHOENIX (AP) -- The North American Aerospace Defense Command says two F-16 fighter planes intercepted an ultralight aircraft near the U.S.-Mexico border in southwestern Arizona.

The plane crossed from Mexico into Arizona just after 6 a.m. Sunday. NORAD dispatched two F-16s from Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson and they shadowed the ultralight for about 30 minutes until it flew back into Mexico.
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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 07:51 PM
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What does it cost to spin up two F16s and have them shadow this ultralight combined with the support staff engaged with the mission? Not chump change.

Why not force the thing to ground and take the folks into custody? Why not tell them to get back over the border or blow them out of the sky?

Why shadow them for 30 minutes? It makes no sense. What were they going to do if the thing landed and what ever cargo they had was unloaded?

This was a direct violation of US airspace. If a plane came over the east coast it would be forced down. We need to stop dealing with this issue with kid gloves.

This law in Arizona is going to generate a level of interest in the dysfunctional border situation that has not been seen before and it is not going to stop.

The really big issue here is not what will happen to the Mexicans, not the improper actions of the police, none of that. The real issue here and the one the government should be the most concerned about is that it will highlight in stark relief the political weakness and incompetence of the government.

When the news from the southern states continue to roll in and it will, the crys from the government of "we need comprehensive immigration reform to solve the problem" will fall on deaf ears.


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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 08:30 PM
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Sorry to be pig ignorant but the European media doesn't talk about the Mexico/US relations atm.

Whats with all the arizona threads recently and anti mexican sentiment?

What's happening?
U2U if someone wants.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 11:24 PM
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A helicopter would have been able to respond with some flexibility. Forcing an ultralight down would take some finesse, it's a glorified kite, but it's doable. If a helicopter was available near to the location. The military is trained to respond to an airspace violation propotional to the percieved threat. Grab it if we can, but ripp it and the pilot apart with cannon fire? Picture dead pilot with little pieces of fabric draped over a cactus on CNN. The SOB would probably be wearing a Mexican flag. Oh that would help the Arizona cause (even though the Air Force is protecting US airspace, not just Arizona) Bottom line? Bad PR



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 11:29 PM
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Why does this feel like a slap in the face to ALL 9/11 Truthers? WOW...do they really think our ADD is that bad?

Not one, but TWO F-16's, after an ULTRALIGHT?!? Good lord...can we say "overkill"? Or how about "opportunity"?

You'd think they could just use a big flamethrower or something.

:/



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 11:50 PM
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Maybe it's a show of force. Let them know your the bigger, tougher kid on the block.
If you have 2 F-16's flanking you, I would think it VERY intimidating.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 12:04 AM
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how do you follow an utralight with an f-16 . utralight fly around 70 or 80 miles per hour wouldn't a fighting falcon trying to go that slow be going into a stall situation.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 12:31 AM
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The F16 pilots were probably grateful for a real intercept mission! Seriously, seeing an F16 in the air over Arizona is like seeing a tree in a forest. Luke AFB is the primary training base for F16s in the US. The Barry Goldwater range that spans a great deal of the border between AZ and Mexico is almost continuously hot with some sort of military activity, both air to air and air to ground.

The cost of scrambling the jets, which were probably AZ Air National Guard, would just be part of the overall budget outlay anyway. Those pilots fly simulations all the time, at least this time it was the real thing.

Ultralight aircraft are used frequently to smuggle drugs over the border. There is a loophole in the law that limits the prosecution of the pilot of an ultralight engaged in illicit activity. The legislature is trying to change the law because it applies to larger, registered civil aircraft.

Somebody was probably trying to test the awareness and response of the military. You don't really need to shoot the thing down, do a few close fast passes with afterburner and the pilot's buddies will see his crapped pants and get the idea.

DE



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 12:38 AM
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You use a series of manuvers to maintain a target within visual and sensor range. An example of needing more fuel to cover less distance.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 01:04 AM
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This is what I like to see and this is what the American people deserve. Good job to the Airforce enforcing American airspace and border security


I just hope the pilots and the people who authorised this get to live and keep their jobs. And that there is much more of it in the future.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 01:35 AM
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An ultralight, huh? They should've taken the opportunity to test some of the laser weapons they're working on...



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 01:41 AM
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Oh WOW...


Talk about overkill. An ultralight

I never knew Mexico even had an Air force



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 01:51 AM
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Originally posted by Raider of Truth
Sorry to be pig ignorant but the European media doesn't talk about the Mexico/US relations atm.

Whats with all the arizona threads recently and anti mexican sentiment?

What's happening?
U2U if someone wants.



What's happening is that there are millions of people pouring over the Mexican border into the United States. Most of these people are coming here illegally. They don't pay taxes. They steal the IDs of Americans and use that to go on welfare that we citizens have to pay for. They bring their gang activities over here with them including kidnapping, drugs, and turf wars. They are able to work for less money since they don't have taxes taken out, so they get jobs that some of our own citizens desperately need. Then, when they get money, they send it out of country to their families back home so that their illegal incomes don't even get injected back into our own economy. They are costing us American taxpayers a fortune in nearly every conceivable way.

It doesn't even stop at money. Their gangs are pouring in as well, and they bring violence and fear with them. They sell drugs, they fuel gang violence which was BAD ENOUGH without them, they commit murders, they kill border guards. They kidnap our children for their sex trade, for God's sake. Americans are dying because we have an unsecured border with a third world nation that is mostly gang controlled and on the brink of civil war.

There's no Mexican hating going on, it's illegal immigrants that need to go. This isn't xenophobia, this is a security concern. The border doesn't need to be closed, it needs to be secured. The people who are here legally are welcome to stay.

The reason Arizona is a big deal is because they passed a new law that allows state officials to ask people for verification of their right to be here if they suspect that they are in this country illegally. In short, they passed a law that allows law enforcement to enforce some laws.

Now some of these illegal asterisk-holes are playing the race card because they're afraid of being sent back where they belong. The race card is all they've got because real, logical arguments are all against them. A good portion of our country is stupid enough to buy that racism excuse instead of realizing how bad the illegal immigration & border security problem really needs to be solved.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by proteus33
how do you follow an utralight with an f-16 . utralight fly around 70 or 80 miles per hour wouldn't a fighting falcon trying to go that slow be going into a stall situation.


That was what I was thinking they would still blast by at their stall speed of 200 knts.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 02:09 AM
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Pedro in his ultralight is now in American airspace.

He therefore has his rights.

He has the right to own as many guns as he wants, no matter how crazy he is.
The right to choose a totally deviant and totally corrupt and immoral lifestyle if he so chooses.
And he also has the right not to work, and live completely off welfare, just like many other Americans.
But most of all he has the right to be totally protected from angry red neck Americans in HIS new country.

Ain't America wonderful.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 06:19 AM
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Originally posted by Raider of Truth
Sorry to be pig ignorant but the European media doesn't talk about the Mexico/US relations atm.

Whats with all the arizona threads recently and anti mexican sentiment?

What's happening?
U2U if someone wants.



Probably getting pissed off at all the minorities getting angry at the 'white devil' so they are lashing back?

But hey they probably still screw a fine latina woman.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by mattifikation

Originally posted by Raider of Truth
Sorry to be pig ignorant but the European media doesn't talk about the Mexico/US relations atm.

Whats with all the arizona threads recently and anti mexican sentiment?

What's happening?
U2U if someone wants.



What's happening is that there are millions of people pouring over the Mexican border into the United States. Most of these people are coming here illegally. They don't pay taxes. They steal the IDs of Americans and use that to go on welfare that we citizens have to pay for. They bring their gang activities over here with them including kidnapping, drugs, and turf wars. They are able to work for less money since they don't have taxes taken out, so they get jobs that some of our own citizens desperately need. Then, when they get money, they send it out of country to their families back home so that their illegal incomes don't even get injected back into our own economy. They are costing us American taxpayers a fortune in nearly every conceivable way.

It doesn't even stop at money. Their gangs are pouring in as well, and they bring violence and fear with them. They sell drugs, they fuel gang violence which was BAD ENOUGH without them, they commit murders, they kill border guards. They kidnap our children for their sex trade, for God's sake. Americans are dying because we have an unsecured border with a third world nation that is mostly gang controlled and on the brink of civil war.

There's no Mexican hating going on, it's illegal immigrants that need to go. This isn't xenophobia, this is a security concern. The border doesn't need to be closed, it needs to be secured. The people who are here legally are welcome to stay.

The reason Arizona is a big deal is because they passed a new law that allows state officials to ask people for verification of their right to be here if they suspect that they are in this country illegally. In short, they passed a law that allows law enforcement to enforce some laws.

Now some of these illegal asterisk-holes are playing the race card because they're afraid of being sent back where they belong. The race card is all they've got because real, logical arguments are all against them. A good portion of our country is stupid enough to buy that racism excuse instead of realizing how bad the illegal immigration & border security problem really needs to be solved.


LOL pulling the race card and how about we also call out the illegel Irish, Italian, etc. as well? I don't live in Arizona, and I am hispanic, but there is a thing called racial profiling. I know it is illegal in Texas, but not sure in arizona. I'd get sick of being asked by every officer consistently for my ID.

[edit on 17-5-2010 by dragnet53]



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 09:37 AM
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What ever happened to Anti-Aircraft Artillery? Shooting down an invading ultralight would be like shooting ducks in a barrel. Look here. The Air force probably spent $100,000 on that mission, while one or two shells could have accomplished the job fine, and everyone could see what happens when you invade our airspace. Come on, Government! Get your heads out of your anus and do something about this open border! Or would you rather have We the People do something about it? Perhaps we should begin by firing you all, and getting some real people in there, people that know how to deal with invasions of our Nation.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 09:44 AM
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Thats why they didn't shoot it down, that ultralight IS Mexico's airforce



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 09:53 AM
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It is a probe. You see things are heating up along the Mexico/USA boarder. The problem with radar, is that it normally does not tell you what you are looking at, it just says that there is something there. Better to error on the side of caution than not. And what would have happened if it was a military aircraft and we sent a helicopter into invistigate, and the helicopter got shot down? The mexican military is probing for weak spots, as are the drug cartels in the US boarder. If they can find one, you can bet your bottom dollar that they will exploit it till we respond and then they will try again elsewhere.




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