Originally posted by insideNSA
Ok IgnoranceISBliss, you've forced me to do this. You can't admit you are wrong about this thing not being that bad. So let me go through and
point out your mistakes.
Hey no matter how flawed your arguments may or may not be, and no matter how nasty and venomous, and so on...
I'm proud of you that you finally figured out how to use the quote brackets function
Next you might start using the 'external link' function which is actually easier to type and makes your posts look spiffier...
But first let me ask you again, if what you say is true, its not so bad, WHY IS THERE CURRENTLY A MEDIA BLACKOUT
You're just baiting. But why do I keep seeing Youtube clips of MSM reports calling it "doomsday", "extinction level event', etc? How can that be
if there's a blackout?
Next we have the idea of this leak being unprecedented, which is false
WRONG: This is being characterized as the worse manmade disaster in the country's history. I think its safe to say this event is unprecedented.
Though as dumb as you are, you'll claim its not by some strange unknown logic that you use.
"Characterized"? Are "blackout" media characterizations proof of anything?
Ok, so it IS unprecedented in US history... but if we're to stick to that logic then that would be like saying the deindustrialization of Detroit is
some new unprecidented thing, when it's happened before all over the world and to nearly entire nations even.
Next you compare this spill to the Ixtox I event in 1979. So I looked at the Wiki link you provided... I don't know why you would even compare
this oil volcano to that! From the wiki article, YOUR SOURCE
Ixtoc I was an exploratory oil well being drilled by the semi-submersible platform Sedco 135-F in the Bay of Campeche of the Gulf of Mexico, about 100
km (62 mi) northwest of Ciudad del Carmen, Campeche in waters 50 m (160 ft) deep
THEY WERE ONLY DRILLING IN 160FT of water, where people and divers can work on the well. This is in no way shape or form similar to the Deepwater
Horizon well, in which they were drilling in over 5000ft of water, where people cannot operate in. Only robots and submersables. Not even submarines,
which makes it a bit difficult to do anything.
That wasn't the point. You're doing a play on words. The depth is the only real difference, or at least for the time being so is the duration.
The type of event, and virtually all of its other characteristics are the same.
Don't forget that tanker ship that crashed in Texas during the event, where the Ixtoc oil was headed.
Also the difference in pressure between 160ft and 5000+ft is orders of magnitude apart. So you were trying to compare a shallow water low
pressure well to a high pressure deep well.
Do you have some data you'd like to present that shows the Ixtoc to have been a "low pressure" well?
Its almost laughable when you claim 19000 bpd. I asked you to show me where you go that lowball number. LOLOLOL you said from some commision
Obama put together.
WASHINGTON - Between 12,000 and 19,000 barrels of oil per day are spilling into the Gulf of Mexico from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill,
according to the best estimates of a federal technical group led by Marcia McNutt, the director of the U.S. Geological Survey.
That rate would mean that the spill, which followed the blow out at the well April 20, had released between 432,000 and 684,000 barrels of oil into
the Gulf to date. That translates into between 18 and 28 million gallons of oil, making this spill by far the worst in American history, far
surpassing the Exxon Valdez disaster, which dumped 11 million gallons into the waters off Alaska.
AND if you researched any further you would see this same group complained that Obama DID NOT take their real estimate, but an extremely low
bogus one. This same group came out in the news with this.
Link, please. Talk is cheap.
Youre going out of context here again, actually with ALL of this!
Ultimately, 71,500 barrels of oil impacted 162 miles of U.S. beaches, and over 10,000 cubic yards of oiled material were removed.
Its closer to 100,000 bpd, so each day this disaster is greater than the Ixtoc disaster was as a whole.
Youre twisting the debate into how much oil has impacted the US in particular. The premise of my entire thread is that the WORLD has seen worse
(Persian Gulf, no way you can get around that period), yet the world didnt end.
The pipe size of the Deepwater Horizon leak is 20". Somehow we're supposed to believe that 100,000 barrels per day are blasting out of that
pipe. Anyone care to do that math for us?
Um, me asking
for math doesn't make me wrong about anything whatsoever.
sure, we'll do the math
Gulf oil spill may top 100,000 barrels a day
from the article:
“In the data I’ve seen, there’s nothing inconsistent with BP’s worst case scenario,” he added in comments to McClatchy
newspapers, stating that the previous 12,000 to 25,000 barrels a day estimate had simply been the “lower bound” estimate
Ok, that is news to me... Note that all I ever did was mention their estimate, and asked for flaws in their methodology. That doesn't make ME wrong
Also note that the issue with that new "worst case scenario" is that is now AFTER they recently cut off the BOP.
A volcano of oil erupting
So supposedly BP assured congress 165,000 bpd wouldn't reach land, and that means that it actually wouldn't? Who in the entire universe would even
believe that? I'm compelled to disregard that entire article, on the premise of absurdity. If you know of proof of what that guy is saying (he
didn't provide links to congressional testimony or anything), then we might talk about it. But it sounds more absurd than some layman making
oilpocalypse statements based on ignorance.
I could find you another 20 articles that agree this thing is 100,000+ a day.
So are they going to be "educated guesses", or is there going to be some degree of scientific methodology we'll be able to assess? I know loam did
a thread attempting to show 350,000+ bpd per day and his methodology failed miserably.
So lets see. IgnoranceIsBliss is WRONG AGAIN.
What am I wrong about? Just because I'm skepitcal of alarmist claims doesn't mean you've busted me. In fact even if they did get a solid
measurement that shows 1,000,000 bpd how does that make me wrong. Questioning claims doesn't make you wrong.
Furthermore, the point of ALL of this thread was supposed to be about the end of the world
. How do you keep forgetting this?
Ok then you go on to lowball the Chernobyl disaster to show how people overestimate doom! Buddy that was a bad choice. I work with a lot of
Russians and to be frank, there were hundreds of thousands of people who got cancer from that. Again you are quoting gov't propaganda again! Russian
gov't sources, even worse! You must check your sources instead of quoting intentional lowball figures.
Those numbers are from a UN study. The UN: the chieftains of environmental fearmongering.
I have no idea where you heard that one. I guess you wanted to throw in a crazy impossible scenario for good measure. Afterall you did throw
I know you don't like to read entire threads before taking a strong stance on them, but try reading the thread you've carried this pissing match
I dont' think the worst disaster in US history is overblowing whats is currently going on.
So if the US ends, is it the end of the entire world? Do yourself a favor, and read this real good and several times over:
The part your genius brain is missing with the depth issue is that it actually helps to break the oil up, which is good. Now if theyd only put
a stop to that damn thing...
You compare the spill to:
Ixtoc I and other similar SPILLs, which I shown above is not a good comparison. For this is a DEEP WATER volcano that cannot be stopped by
Then you talk about how your aunt survived a hurricane?!?
Actually it was my mom and my brothers. I was even on the phone with her for a good while until the lines were down. The eyewall was REAL close to
them, and she only lost one _
The point of it was, that where the eyewall hits that gets the damage the rest of the nation sees on TV. Just because the entire storm looks huge on
radar, bigger than the state even, doesn't mean total destruction across the entire FL peninsula. Twisting words again I see.
[edit on 15-6-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]