Enlightened Free Communities... Where are they?

Ok I don't know if this will interest anyone but thought I would throw it out there and see. I have always had this dream of living in an enlightened (spiritual and intellectual) community free of government intervention, sustainable, self sufficient, etc.

The reason I put it in this category is I don't think there is a place on earth where you can do this and be left alone without government or someone or group trying to oppress you or control you or steal the fruits of your labors at least to some degree.

So I have always had this thought that if such a place exist it would have to be hidden from the world and you would have to meet certain criteria to be invited to live there. One option might be a Galts Gulch type set-up where technology is used to hide the community from the world.

Another is to be enlightened enough to command the elements like many of the holy men of the scriptures and those of many esoteric and or ancient writings and records. You would need the power to either be able to hide the community so you wouldn't be bothered or repel any force that might be brought against you to control or steal the fruits of your labor. If Jesus and Buddha and many others can walk on water, raise the dead, bring down prison walls and walk out, walk through walls, heal the sick, make the blind see, the lame walk etc. Where are the people today who can do these things today. I know there are some I have some healing abilities myself but how do we reach that next level where we could protect a truly free community?

Maybe you could repel thier negative energy and turn it back on them to the point they could not enter the community or if they fire on you it would be turned back on them and they would only hurt themselves?

If there were such a place I further thought what if the only way to be invited to such a place was to reach a certain level of enlightenment and then you would simply know and be privy to where it was how to get there and be accepted as they would also know about you etc.

Or perhaps there is a combination of both technology and enlightenment that protects such a community? Some of the ancient writings talk of such places like the City of Enoch, Zion, Shamballa, Nirvana etc. Most feel these places are more of spiritual/quantum symbol of reaching a certain degree of enlightenment. But what if they were also physical places?

Anyone else had similar thoughts? Maybe it sounds like desperation from someone who has also tried the political route, the law route, activism, etc. and sees that it hasn't really done anything to slow or stop the slide into totalitarianism...

Lets face it we don't have the power right now to really change things for the better on any large scale. I know many feel a rise in consciousness is occurring I feel it too, but I also feel an equal surge in darkness. I am tired and I just want to be left alone by negative people to live my life and be free. But I can't someone always has to mess with you or your property etc.

So I figure one thing all the ancient writings have in common is that you must go within to find enlightenment or the Kingdom of God so to speak and everyone is running around searching for it everywhere but there. So maybe the way to manifest it on the outside is to first find it on the inside?

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Ack. Double post hah.

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Good post. I think you just opened my mind up to a whole new realm of possibility.

I would think the Amazon is likely of having a place. Mybe even Shambala in the Himalayas. I guess the only way to find out is to become a truly enlightened master. Or mybe, if you begin your search for this, they will find you if your heart is right.

Post thought - Mybe upon entering this degree of enlightenment, or let's not use that term, let's just say that when your heart finds its place, you create this place for yourself.

I think this would give a whole new meaning to a New Earth, or the Celestine Prophecy.

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I dont know about the being able to hide such a community from the rest of the world and turning others weapons against them as I do not think that is possible, but I do know that I would love to part of a truly self sufficient community.

Anyone fancy giving me a few acres of land to start me off? I dont mind if its not in Ireland im willing to travel

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How about getting together with some like minded folk to get started off?

I know the land, and some people willing to get started too...



OP - A VERY thought provoking thread. S+F

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Yeah that is something that I would definatley consider, not interested in a weird religious cult type group tho, that would do my head in, religious beliefs and faith should not be a factor, it would have to be people united in the idea of being self sufficient in regards to food and energy.

It would be a good way to live

Simple.

www.wwoof.org

Originally posted by junipear
Simple.

www.wwoof.org

Thanks for the link but its not that simple. I think you misunderstood the OP. Yes people can and do get together for sustainable living but this is not just another discussion about sustainable living it is about protecting that way of life from being encroached on and even eradicated in the future.

Yes there are people, villages, and communities that seek to live this way however they are still subject to government intervention, licensing, taxation, and regulation etc.

I want to be free of all that and prevent the parasites of government and other groups from oppressing in that manner. I am suggesting enlightenment as a possible way to learn how to either find such a community or perhaps build one. But perhaps more importantly becoming enlightened to know how to protect it from the force these people use to oppress and impose thier ways on us. Yes by some super natural means perhaps.

That is the topic I would like to try and stick to.



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i love it lets tune in to natuer and become one whith it and each other - check out google search shared community or intentional communitys. i am an avid camper evry time i got a long weekend or a fullweek or two up in the mountains i get gitty!


i wanna make the off the grid jump take the plunge and say goodbye to all the advertiseing, opresion, taxation, antaganisers blah so long


-peace

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it is posible. people intune whith the universe can litteraly become invisibal to run of the mill folks.
i love wher your going whith that idea its so cool to talk to others same mentalty. when my wife and i invite others to our familys land we make it a point to keep our little acre of land as harmonious as posible we strive to keep in spirtaly balenced yin-yang type life. and we are openly greatful to the universe and the land. it truly feels like we are devloping a true bond with the mountain . or siting by the lake for like an hour or two first thing in the morning its so incredibly peacefull. and i become spirtualy charged in a sence and the rest of the day i feel like i come from the center. me and my wife are allways meeting new friends and love good company. send me a u2u if your in the north east . we are close to a vermont border . deep in the mountains

-peace

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Im doing Kundalini Meditation and its nothing but tingly feelings all over my body. My mind changed for the better one year ago when I was a security guard and started listening to lecturers and books about meditation and enlightenment. When someone says "Its not enough to just listen sometimes you just gotta go through with it" it is partially true. Someone can change his whole mode of thinking through just listening. Once the listening process has change the mode of thinking I tend to give it a few tries. Not really taking it serious but eventually I started to understand belief as a mechanism that makes the whole thing work. Now I know that enlightenment is inevitable for almost all of us but the path to enlightenment as an entire race could kill us. Im convinced that this time it will work though(I say this time because I do some light reading about our history and something tells me that we've been at this before, a few times maybe).

Thank you for your time.

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I understand it is not that simple, of course. I am only persisting with this idea because I empathize with your post and sincerely think this could be a positive option for you (I do understand what you meant in the post I just don't think at this point humans can reach a level of enlightenment that would shield them from outside forces-- if Tibetan monks couldn't do it I don't know who else could). Through wwoof you can travel anywhere in the world and a majority of the time not have to pay for food and shelter. Many of these communities are off-grid and self-sustaining. Solar power, huge gardens, bicycles, and little or no need to go to a store or acquire money (although I am sure the owners of the farms have to pay taxes and such, but regulation of small farms is pretty lax).

What you talked about in your post is a utopia, and I think they can only exist in a very minute capacity. You can't change a society at a large scale without changing it at small scales first, which many people are attempting to do. Wwoof is also attempting that, and has communities throughout the entire world so it is a good start for them and something you might find inspiring, all considering.

It is as detached from society as you can get without living alone on a remote island or something like that.

You could meet people who will help you get closer to your enlightened utopia and are also aspiring toward the same thing. Or perhaps your utopia already exists-- it just might only consist of fifteen other people and several hundred miles of forest and pasture.

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Thanks for your thoughtful post you make good points especially about the Tibetan Monks. I Don't think we have to change the world just be able to protect ourselves from the oppression of the world.

You are correct in the mean time we are stuck with the negative stuff in society until we can find a way to overcome it.

Still some thoughts maybe the monks of Tibet could not because their was no focus on it? Maybe they thought just being enlightened in love and or light etc. was all they needed and maybe they were wrong? maybe a focus on protecting a way of life would have brought them solutions to being driven from thier homes etc?

I know a lot of folks believe that if we just focus on love and light then we will not attract any negative thing to us. But perhaps that is wrong and we need to provide for a defense against evil/darkness too perhaps in the way I have suggested? It has been said Buddha was able to stop a war ( I can't remember where I read it so it may just be myth)

I think there is protection from the world but it is not very idealistic. There was a well known Jew who spent a few years in a German concentration camp, I can't remember his name or background, but during his stay he would say how happy he was, and how the Nazis could not touch his heart/soul, and the physical trauma he was able to mentally surpass by focusing on God and mentally reciting scriptures and so on. I read about it many years ago and it has always stuck with me. Our ability to avoid the suffering and oppression of the world around us can only be done through perception--- no matter how enlightened we become, the rest of the world will still partake in whatever evil it wishes to. So you could potentially find a haven removed from much of the world (like Tristan da Cunha-- www.tristandc.com...) and you could not control whether another country would decide to invade--- your utopia could quickly become a dystopia, no matter how much you focused on positivity and attempted to surround yourself with "light". Consider Native Americans. Most tribes didn't even have a word or concept of "rape" until Europeans came along and began raping their women. They also didn't have currencies, casinos, mass slavery, materialism, profound alcoholism and so on. As pure as they were, as in touch with nature--- they were not protected. The meek won't inherit the world until the world is able to see the beauty of being meek.

This is why community, humility and love is so important. Solutions to the worlds ills are apparent if one only sets aside their political ideologies and looks at the human race as a species instead of polarized groups of clashing cultures and religions. Human beings instead of stereotypes.

You can protect yourself through your perception (like the emaciated Jew who smiled his way through torture), and thus abate most forms of negativity (although only a lobotomy could completely remove you from any source of suffering or negativity). That is your utopia. But in my opinion (and I don't mean offense) there is a degree of selfishness in wanting to escape instead of trying to help solve society's ills.

I don't see a resolution to the world's social dilemmas within this century. But that is not our place. Our place is to become the catalyst for future generations to focus on the fruit of peace and see the futility of amoralism and greed. In the meantime, continue striving to find a fulfilling spiritual path, be an example for others, and search for others who can help encourage and guide you as you look for answers.

Again I have to emphasize that I understand your frustration and wish there were a more pleasant/concrete answer but I assure you there is not. Godspeed.

Also look into www.helpx.net and www.ic.org.

Hey man they already got these.

Every year they have this thing called the annual Rainbow Family Gathering. It's been going on since 1972.

It's all about love and respect towards everyone there.

There are no leaders.

There is no money.

All decision are made in common with everybody present.

Violence is rare and when it happens is broken up immediately by others there. No need for cops.

www.welcomehere.org...

I'd be happy to maintain the gardens and crops, and be delighted to be the resident chef