Do you think porn should be illegal?

Originally posted by Surreal_Rain

Originally posted by EmbryonicEssence

I don't know how many bad men you have had in your life, but please don't generalize.

Trust me...men don't respect women. If a girl doesn't put out right away, the guy gets tired of waiting. Girls for the most part want to be with a guy for romance, whereas guys wants to be with a girl for sex. Pornography is to blame. Guys have it in their heads that us females only purpose is to please them.

The ones who have had all the bad men in their life usually can't handle it when they actually find a good man.

A good man?

hogwash, pure bull#!

SOME guys might have it in their head women are there to pleasure them but that comes from more than just porn, that comes from a lot different aspects of society. music, TV, movies, books. lets ban all those too! no? but it didnt seem ridiculous when you wanted to ban porn.

some women have it in their head men should provide for them and every little whim they have. this comes from societal conditioning much like your negative attitude towards men by making broad sweeping remarks about them.

not all porn is about the guy getting pleasured...in fact some porn has the woman in charge and SHE is objectifying the man!

i'd say these men you're refering have no more respect for woman than you do for men. so not surprising you find all the wrong guys. messed up people attract each other and yet repulse each other at the same time.


but thats another topic. stop generalizing and stereotyping. if i wasnt respectful of women i'd tell you a dozen different ways to shut your mouth your opinion is worthless and you should be in the kitchen making me a ham sandwich for me and my friends and while you're at it...get us some cold beers. but i didnt do that. in fact noone of us have, i addressed your post and what you said. a person with no respect wouldnt even bother doing that much, they'd simply ignore whatever you said and told you off.
but what do i know, i'm just a self serving guy with no respect for women, right?


and uh lets not pretend women only want romance. i've known my fair share of females who liked and wanted sex. then again there are guys who like being romantic, not that you'd know, you're too busy generalizing them.

LOL all men want women for is sex, thats like saying all women want from men is money and for that reason money is bad!

I say, stop going to bers to pick up future husbands. Try to find some one with views, interests and qualitys as close as you can to your own, again, not from a club or just off the street. Try a library or some where guys don't go to get a$$.

But if you want anything to blame, blame the media and money for letting rap about sex, whors and b!tches becaome so popular and cool. Blame it on parents who don't teach kids morals. Blame the govt for making it tough for parents to be home for thier kids.

Would all women being 300pounds or walking acne farm deter men from wanting sex, no. Would men and women having sex for the act and no sort of deception of love being involed and love for love work at making broken hearts become more rare?

Originally posted by XL5
But if you want anything to blame, blame the media and money for letting rap about sex, whors and b!tches becaome so popular and cool. Blame it on parents who don't teach kids morals. Blame the govt for making it tough for parents to be home for thier kids.

You are making the same generalizations that Surreal Rain did. Yes, there are a few jerk men (and women for that matter) out there. But not because of music, porn or rap. They are jerks because that is their nature and it's not limited to sex, there lousy friends and inconsiderate to most everyone. Most likely they are the moron who cut you off on the freeway this morning. :bnghd:

PrankMonkey,

I couldn't of said it better myself.

Bad guys may be a dime-a-dozen, but the good guys still do exist. You know what they say though, nice guys finish last. And I have found that statement to be so true that its not funny.

I like sex, just as most healthy human beings should. Sex is there for procreation but also to allow for a deeper connection between two people (as well as enjoyment). But, is that all I ever want from a women? No. I enjoy being around them. I enjoy talking. I enjoy going out and doing things with them. I even enjoy going along and helping them shop. I enjoy every aspect of the female persona. I was raised by women a good majority of my life, hence, I'd rather be with a bunch of them then with men - what guy in their right mind wouldn't?

I never get bored of listening to women talk. I love women in every aspect. I love a woman's whole conscious entity. I love and charish women, period.

but thats another topic. stop generalizing and stereotyping. if i wasnt respectful of women i'd tell you a dozen different ways to shut your mouth your opinion is worthless and you should be in the kitchen making me a ham sandwich for me and my friends and while you're at it...get us some cold beers. but i didnt do that. in fact noone of us have, i addressed your post and what you said. a person with no respect wouldnt even bother doing that much, they'd simply ignore whatever you said and told you off.
but what do i know, i'm just a self serving guy with no respect for women, right?

You know, people only get defensive if the accusations are true.

I'll give it to you that a lot of women only want sex, but biologically men are more out for sex. Argue all you want, but like I said, it's biological. A species only purpose is to reproduce, and men can reproduce a hell of a lot quicker than women, therefore they are more polygamous. A man can impregnate as many girls as he wants, reproducing his DNA, but it takes a woman months to have a child.

So get angry all you want, but I have studied enough human biology to know what I'm talking about. The point I'm trying to make is that people need morals.

Originally posted by Surreal_Rain
So get angry all you want, but I have studied enough human biology to know what I'm talking about. The point I'm trying to make is that people need morals.

No one here is angry. I think most of us have a deep concern for your rather odd view of sex, men and women.

Desire, longing, tittilation...it's all good. But it's even better when two can share in those feelings.

This is why I asked if you were referencing a personal experience. I have never had a relationship with a man that was bad or where I was treated like a "piece of a$$" There are so many terrific guys out there. In fact you've heard from some of them in this thread. But it appears to have fallen on deaf ears.

Go back and read what EE and PM have written and then tell me that they are a bunch of johnson waving pigs.

Bleys, I have nothing at all against sex or porn. If it seems that I was generalizing then maybe I didn't go deep enough. If all parents in general taught thier kids to respect others, the kids would not have "peer" pressure to be disrespectful. Then the question becomes, is a disrespectful nature there from birth or is it learned from others.

edit: Its not rap thats the problem, its the message they send now.

[Edited on 9-6-2004 by XL5]

No one here is angry. I think most of us have a deep concern for your rather odd view of sex, men and women.

My view of sex comes from having a very protective upbringing. My whole opinion of humans is low, as most of them lack morals or respect for themselves.
There's so much more to life than sex, yet everyone acts like they can't cope without it. Yeah, I'm sure sex is great, but why not wait until you're in a serious relationship? No body's going to take someone seriously if they've been around. And I may be a bit prude, but when I do find the "right" guy, he's going to know he's got something worth keeping, and not just another cheap girl he can pick up anywhere.
More people should think like me

Surreal_Rain-

Do you mind if I ask how old you are?

Originally posted by jezebel
Surreal_Rain-

Do you mind if I ask how old you are?

18

I really do think you're seeing what's presented in the media as being representative of society in general and that's just not an accurate picture. Most of us live relatively boring lives, trying to schedule time for work, family and yes, sex. And most of us consider ourselves to be moral people.

A preoccupation with sex is a natural part of adolesence and part of that preoccupation is learning self-control. A guy doesn't get physically aroused at 17 by choice and we shouldn't think they are pigs because they do.

You noted that there is so much more to life than sex. I agree, but no relationship will be satisfying to you, whether you are a man or a woman, without sex and intimacy. I was not a virgin when I got married and neither was my husband, this fact was not an issue for either of us. We simply enjoyed each other and had similar goals for our future. Any man, any man who insists that he must have a "pure" wife is overlyjudgmental in my opinion.

And I may be a bit prude, but when I do find the "right" guy, he's going to know he's got something worth keeping...

I agree with the portion of your statement that I quoted above. Know your own value and self-worth.

But don't forget that a relationship does include intimacy and sex. I worry that you have such a negative view of physical attraction and the closeness one can derive from sex that you won't ever be able to enjoy that experience. Your role in life is not simply to marry and reproduce. There is so much more...

Men are such simple creatures though. We like sex. There is nothing wrong with that. It's part of being Human. Since it's something we like and get lots of pleasure from we want to do it. There is nothing wrong with that. Like you said it's BIOLOGICAL. That means we can't control it. Sex is a good thing it keeps people healthy and Sane. With out sex poeple would go insane and kill each other. It's a good stress release.

Not all men are scum though. Yes, maybe all of them think about sex when they are in a relationship but the good ones aren't ONLY thinking about getting laid. There are good men out there. Most are taken because some girl found them was treated right and kept him.

There are good men out there. It's just finding one.....

Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey
not all porn is about the guy getting pleasured...in fact some porn has the woman in charge and SHE is objectifying the man!

I was talking about this earlier along the lines of the 80's shift toward feminist porn. There was also a significant power shift in the industry as a whole from using "starlets" to making "stars".

Some very smart and strong willed cookies came along and said I'm taking control, making this a career and retiring rich by 26 years old. They made a documentary on Torri Wells about this. I think Terri Wiegel was along the same lines. And of course, Traci Lords (once "victimized") made the trasition to mainstream stardom on the stepping stones of her chosen past.

As for their male counterparts? $10 an hour if they're lucky.

Article after article has been written about the fastest growing new consumers of porn...WOMEN. On the net, and even video. Gals are dropping the dime like never before. And in a really strange twist, they're buying GUY ON GUY porn? :wtf: They make jokes about it on Will & Grace. Men are meat. Cheap labor. Dime a dozen. The new starletts.

Not saying it's right, but we're talking about victimization aren't we?

But still it all comes down to free speech and not just the participants consent, but lining up with glee for a shot, and as such Porn is here to stay no matter the woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Men are meat. Cheap labor. Dime a dozen.

Isn't that the truth

But still it all comes down to free speech and not just the participants consent, but lining up with glee for a shot, and as such Porn is here to stay no matter the woulda, coulda, shoulda.

But seriously, what really bothers me about porn is how easily it is for children to come across it. Maybe it wouldn't be fair to make it illegal, but there should be more restrictions on it.

Well, I think the Male race is a bit more than just Cheap Labor Meat Sticks. Some of us anyway. But I do agree that Men are for the most part Simple. There is no big mystery here believe me, and most likely I think the whole Porn idea is getting blown way out of proportion.

Aside from those rare 'Freaks' out there, I'll tell ya what Porn is to a Guy. Ready? It's just some naked, beautiful women dong sexual things. As already stated, we are basically simple. Men have basic Colors, Red, Blue, Green, etc. No Rose, or Summer Yellow, or Aqua, etc. Why, cause if it's aqua, it's Blue. Rose, well then it's Red. We also have a basic set of emotional states. Good, Fine, OK, Sick, Tired, Pain, etc. If you ask for too much more detail, the reason we don't answer is because that is the entire definition for that feeling. No more data can be presented usually. Nice and simple, and the reason is because Complications Suck. That is why we say things like 'Oh no, we seem to be having some Complications here!'

So, back to the porn thing. Naked women, doing sexual things. Yah, we like it. That is not a problem. That is a sign that, in fact, everything tests fine and seems to be in correct working order. We are supposed to like women, you see, women are not just pretty things for porn, but in fact are the complete other half of our entire Existence!! They are the Yin to our Yang, our complete other half and Balance of Dualistic Reality and more for that matter. So, like it or not, Men Need Women, and also Should be obsessed with them at least as much as they are about something like sports or cars or themselves or whatever. To think otherwise is to live a lie where the whole Opposite Sex Structure of Nature which is in almost everything, even insects, and plants, is somehow secondary to whatever hobby you're into.

One important thing however, is you need to remember the key point of this post. WE ARE SIMPLE. So porn to us is almost certainly not nearly as intense as it is for YOU being a Woman. Yes we like it, OK. YOU seem to absolutely consumed by it yourself however, in your hatred for what you think it's doing. Trust me, it's not doing anything Wild to us. It's just naked chicks. Makes us think of sex. Simple, ya see. Don't make it out to be some Trigger that brings forth Hyde from Dr. Jekyll. Hyde is the manifestation of the Complexities of the Female Mind and Emotional Reality-Web and it's infinitely mysterious nature. Women are often times too confusing for themselves as well as all other women too!!

I can assure you, the porn did not cause people to want sex. It was the other way around. The porn came about because the desire has always been there, and for those who could find no willing partner, we collectively decided as a species to at least allow them to access the documented material of what they wanted but momentarily did not have. I mean, it's not like giving someone Weapon Blueprints. As long as it's your typical Porn it is simply the Recorded History of one of our most Primal Acts as People. None of us got here by a wishing well after all!! Also, if you think we've found something new or original in the past 3000 years, you'd be wrong. I doubt there has been an original position or sexual thought in thousands and thousands of years!!

So all I'm saying is you're thinking about it way too much. If a guy is a pig who mistreats women, it's not porn or anything else other than he is simply a A-Hole. Remember, simple. There are many men out there who are equally very simply genuine, caring, respectful men. The whole idea of being a Playa and stuff is a joke IMO. So don't worry about them, both men or women who live that way. Let em, they're idiots who will get what they deserve out of living that way. Shallow, cheap, disposable relationships. Just don't get fooled by one of them, that's all.

As far as kids go. First solve the problem of kids shooting each other or getting molested by their uncles and strangers and all that, then start your mission to rid the world of porn. First, rid the world of the pile of problem that make porn look like match compared to a forest fire.

Damn, that was a long ranting post....Sorry that took so long!!

[Edited on 11-6-2004 by mOjOm]

If a guy is a pig who mistreats women, it's not porn or anything else other than he is simply a A-Hole.

I assure you that it is porn. Porn results in people thinking less of the opposite sex as people, but more as toys for their own needs.

Am I the only one who sees what porn is doing to society?

Porn is contributing to Society. Without porn there would be a hell of a lot more Teenaged girls and guys out there having unprotected sex. Which means there would be a whole lot more pregnant teenagers. But with porn the Teen boys are at home with a porn movie in the VCR or DVD Player or he's on the computer searching the internet for it. So instead of him going out and doing every chick he knows or can find that is willing he's at home praticing the saftest sex there is. SELF LOVE!

Saying porn is the reason people treat each other like piece of meat is like saying Video games make kids go out and fight. No. If porn or video games some how sets a person off to go do something they saw in the game or movie then that person already had something seriously wrong with them. I've been looking at porn since i was about 9 or 10. Have I gone out and raped someone? Have I ever treated anyone badly? No. Sex is a beautiful thing in all it's forms. Without it we wouldn't be here.

Porn also helps a lot of people's relationships with each other. It's a bonding experience with buddies and also couples. I know a lot of couples who have watched porn together and they love it. They have grown closer because of that experience.

Porn does not harm a person! Hell now a days in the major porn movies the guys always wear condoms. This is because they porn industry is trying to send a message of safe sex because we all know the PARENTS AND SCHOOLS aren't doing it.

A person can have all the safe sex they want, but that doesn't stop them from being promiscious. Besides condoms fail sometimes, and putting yourself at risk doesn't seem worth it.

This is exactly why I choose to stay away from people, they are more disgusting than animals. Anybody who can't get their minds off sex needs to get a hobbie. Indulging in too much of anything isn't good. That's why us humans have "willpower".

I have to admit that I have watched porn before, which in turn made me want to go out and have sex. I know for a fact that most people don't have the will power I do, so most of them go out and screw the next willing person they come across.

Porn also helps a lot of people's relationships with each other. It's a bonding experience with buddies and also couples. I know a lot of couples who have watched porn together and they love it. They have grown closer because of that experience.

It's very sad when a relationship solely relys on sex to make it stronger. What ever happened to conversation? Heaven forbid a couple try talking.

Life isn't about personal pleasure. All you porn watchers really need a life.

Well, I'm sorry to sound crude, but, who are you to judge? You're 18 years old - you haven't even started life yet. Until you've lived life, don't cast judgement.

Your lack of experience with life truly shines through and you have a whole helluva a lot to learn.

I'm Proud to be a "porn viewer" Honestly! I'm a teenage boy. What else is there to do. Specially when I live in BFE!!!!!! Yeah I could go on a hike or ride my bike around the great country sceanery but you know what. why bother when all i have to do is go in my room grade a DVD pop it in and sit back and watch some nice porn.

Also I haven't watched a lot of porn and viewed a lot on the internet. Not once afterwards have I thought, "Wow I really need to go out and have sex with anyone or anything that I come across when I step outside of my house." Not once has that happen. You want the reason why I think this is? Masturbation! Plain and simple. Guys watch porn and masturbate(at least most of them) This lowers the guys "horny level" to a level which they can stand. Girls on the other hand(a lot at least) do not masturbate. They view it as wrong and will not partake in something that is disgusting. this means a lot of girls out there have a lot of built up sexual frustration. there fore if they watch porn they think "wow she gets to let her sexual energy out I should go do the same." but instead they don't with themselves or with a partner and it just builds up. girls become sexually mature before boys so there has to be a lot of these girls who do watch porn and don't masturbate that have so much SEXUAL ENERGY stored up in their bodies. This is why they are so angry about guys. We can get out energy out by watching porn and masturbating but they on the other hand will not allow themselves this pleasure. And it just builds up.

I'm glad i watch porn. i am also glad I release my sexual energy by masturbating other wise I would be like a girl and be way to worried about things and have to focus on other things to keep me from going crazy.

I think girls are the way they are because all the SEXUAL ENERGY they got stored up...