Thanks for being a dumbass

Hello all,

After posting a few posts I thought it was time to introduce myself to this forum.




Hi, I'm Dumbass



bye

No seriously, I am dumbass, I realize that the more I know, the more knowledge I gained and reasoned about, the more I know, I don't know anything. So, in that sense, i wouldn't pretend to be anything different. Next to that I am/was pretty busy in the Real world so I can not pretend being really educated by throwing a lot of sources that can be googled , I've got my master degree in science though.

I am no skeptic I am no believer, I love a good discussion though but preferably with a few people. I hate creating problems to solve them. In a discussion a prefer sparring partners that use the definition in words as the topic starter initiated, for the sake of progress. Progress in a discussion is in my opinion a must, otherwise it is chitchat, disturbing, comparison of opions or whatever you would like to call it.

I have come to reallize that to truely understand a subject it is clarifying to jump from position sometimes. Defend the part that you attacked, attack the part you defend. Try it, it is an eyeopener, if you do it seriously. Somehow I'm on a creative/destructive path in this lifetime, I say this lifetime because I can not be sure what exactly is going on in existance, I sure have ideas and preferences, but I realize that I don't have the capabilities to comprehence it yet, ok for me and humanity in general, we don't have that capabilities not yet, actually I think we don't have a clue. Even if all info of the youtube movies, internetconspiracies, hehehe, library books, profets, etc was true and we would all understand just our own info, we wouldn't have a clue. so we shouldnt pretend we know it.

In my life I've allways been surrounded by different religions, beliefs, cultures so it was lots of fun always. Intresting. That is also how my intrest of analysing group behaviour has developed. And allthough the outcome of groupbehaviour can be completely different there is an structure in it that has similarities. And so you can work with groups with similar patterns. Being creative/destructive I recognized a same pattern in the process of development of art, art in architecture, music, subcultures etc.

I have analysed the development of of the early russian "constructivists". In short, in that time the tsaristic power was over overthrown and from then started what we now know is communism. In that proces of change there was a gap for a few years. In that gap the existing power and government, to describe it this way, was to busy fighting itself over its own power that art institutions weren't controlled anymore, like they were before and after the gap. (For the info; the artist were working with artists from around the globe, that formed the basis for early modernism, like de stijl and bauhaus.) They had some intresting ideas for forming a new society with art. One can argue that, while their art did not change society, it comes with the birth of modernism, that helped developing the world of the middleclass. The craziest thing that I found was to create an "own"-less society, where everything was from everyone. To enforce the vision they presented the idea to have buildings for man, women and children apart, without family you would only have society. hahaha intersting though. makes you think. If you would have been born there you wouldn't know any different. And how would that be??? .....

I say all this because there is one quote I totally support, correct me if I'm wrong but it is dated in 1922 in the (translated from russian) 'Realistic Manifasto' by Naom Gabo:

"Perfection is not a goal it is a process and being in that process is the only way to reach perfection"

Now what has this to do with groupbehaviour? The thing is that Gabo was working with Tatlin at that moment. Tatlin was an influancal guy in the art scene so to call and both were working on a art institution. So lots of artist picked up the concept to explore the direction of the development of art. For me the problem lies in this. As soon as groups of people picked the themes up and discussed about it, there came agenda's. LOL it wasn't about the perfection or the process anymore as usual it changed into fighting, debating art and political preferences (art for the art or art for the people) (Nowadays we also have art for the companies like commercials and music, not all of them i agree). And this is what todays world society still is. It is more a squirrel of getting the most people with you then about what is right. It is no perfection and we aren't getting there lol. Great concepts, developments are put down by both companies that have other benefits and people that like to put them down. It is your own choise I know. And you have the people that totally believe in them without seeing something actually work. It is your own choise I know. I'm more like this, Great concept; make it work please. see you in a few months. Nice to see you being part of a process.

I really like one-liners, if they heve a underlying meaning. It is just too bad for me that ATS have the 2nd line rule, Recently one of my one-liners was deleted as an off-topic post. Ok I can understand rules in a group etc. But when is something really off-topic? Do we really have to be in the box presented by OP, or can we make the box a litlle bigger. With so many joining discussionmembers we need boundaries in a topic so we don't drift. The thread is about aliens hijacking voyager two and sending scrambled messages to earth. My post was: " we have decoded it, it is a question..... what is cheap viagra . Ok first of all I understand that a mod deleted it. But the meaning of my post was; don't worry about no aliens, we have send so much crap in the universe that i can't understand why they would analyze humans as equals. Most of our info is BS. We should just hope a spectator can filter that out. In short there are 3 possible outcomes; 1 aliens are just as dumb as us, 2 aliens come to obliterate us because we inhabit a place the can make usefull to them, 3 aliens don't give a damn and are just playing like we would with pets. Ok and a lot of other solutions.

I mentioned before the creative destructive path. I has been a couple of years philosophying on creation before Itruely realized that creation is destruction, and destruction is creation. Makes me wonder what the Creator has destructed in order to create, but for anything else I haven't found done by man that does not follow that rule.

In that sense, I'm not scared of any destruction in 2012 or when ever, it creates something new. I just hope all the people in the world will be equally bashed. In fact changes are natural, it is part of the process. With the climate change i just wonder how the climate got stable in recent history ( last 15000 years or so) before it kept on changing. If we find prove of aliens nothing that surprises me, if we find prove we are really alone in all the universe, now that would surprise me.

About conspiracies like 911 etc. I just wonder if anyone would recognize the truth if it was presented to them. In my group of friends we always talked about this; you can only kill conspiracy with conspiracy. Make looking for the truth a hype and lots of wannabees will jump on it to attrack attention, even by recreating evidence. If you believe them or not, look at webbot. As soon as people recognized the triggers of bot, they manipulate the triggers. But that is just groupbehaviour. The downfall of conspiracymovements, is too bad, attack eachother instead of forming a front. Again it is all about power and boundaries.

like I said, I have been between lots of different cultures and beliefs religions etc. I found out that in every culture etc, I always meet people that I can understand and I meet people I clash with. So I can't be pro this or pro that. But what I expect from people that were in a negative process, like racism, being a religious minority, so they know suffering, would have grown so much that they would try to prevent it happening to others, at least don't process it on others themselves. The world shows me a different thing.

For as now, my life is a mess. Recently my girl and mother of my 2 year old boy died suddenly. So it makes me reflect on what to do with my son. How can I teach the positive aspects of his mothers culture, while only being an observer. In the morning the hospital told me everything was as expected in the afternoon I heard she was braindead and I had to pull the plug. (it was my choise to pull it, otherwise they would do it) And for all that relipeepz that tell me that I'm not allowed to pull the plug because only god may decide who lives and who dies, i got this; If you brake a leg, don't go to hospital, god intended you to never walk again and you shouldn't take any painkillers because god intended you to experience pain until you die from infection. No seriously god did not put that plug in humans did it. it is protocol if you sign a contract to work as a nurse or doctor. So now we, my son and I are struggling to create a new life. A happy one until the change comes, and then again a happy one. It will work out I guess. So I guess this is me in short.

just another one-liner to lift the spirits again:

"Free healthcare doesn't mean it is positive for your health, it is free though"

What I think is important is to recognize the process of happenings. Like the immigration threads, ok I can see you consider immigrants as a problem, I can understand why you see that, but isn't it the system that allowed that to be happening? who is paying them underpaid? Aren't they a cause? Would drugtrafficing stop if you would kill all of your users? but that is just me.

Eey but don't blame me, i'm just a dumbass

Mod's I'm a dumbass can you please move this to introductions? Thank you.

reply to post by Dumbass


3 post for one introduction!!

I think you'll make a fine addition to the ATS community.

I like the username...Dumbass. Catchy..

Peace

reply to post by operation mindcrime


3 posts. I'm not impressed.

What, no music video?


[edit on 16-5-2010 by SLAYER69]

Hmmm..
How do I respond to a username like that..and a long winded intro?
How about

reply to post by operation mindcrime


actually it is just two the first one well....

And reacting on your signature I must sau I hate regrets more then apologizes

reply to post by SLAYER69


I wouldn't be impressed either by 3 posts

and musicvideo why?
but just for you...
www.youtube.com...
Don't know what he is singing about but who cares, it made me smile
For the record, music that gets me makes me forgot about smiling.

reply to post by AccessDenied


How can I respond if my acces is denied?
but hi to you too.

Judging from your "introductory" post(s), dumbass, you certainly don't come across as one. Welcome to ATS.

reply to post by Dumbass


I'll ask you this, why didn't this thread get ATS attention?
Was this a form of protest? or are you just putting out your feelers?



[edit on 16-5-2010 by SLAYER69]

reply to post by SLAYER69


It is something different I don't discuss what I discussed with some mods, but to explain it, I had too much different aspects in this thread that because of its variaty would discussions on several subjects in one tread that was originally intended to just introduce yourself. In my opinion you should reflect on what you stand for instead of showing of your name. but as it is now it is ok it is just "groupbehaviour"

WOW ,

welcome to the webs largest collection of Goofballs , nutcases , wisecrackes and some dude who has serious issues , www.belowtopsecret.com... ( thinks Hes the 2nd son of god , ha i got news for him , I AM THE GODDESS OF LOVE AND CAN SMELL A FAKE A MILE AWAY lol)

i among others can be your tour guide to some great threads and a few lame ones too .........


ps mutter is still down ...



[edit on 16/5/10 by alysha.angel]

Well it is nice to be welcomed by the goddess of love, haha makes you feel special right?

Originally posted by Dumbass
Well it is nice to be welcomed by the goddess of love, haha makes you feel special right?

yeah in a funky weird sort of way it does .

funny how you can't place dumbass in a box.
now it is an introductionthread again, as it was a membertrhread before and an intro and a member and a intro again. lol

Hey Dumbass!!!

Welcome.
I've got a feeling you'll be fun to have around!

See ya.

Jinx.

I am so irritated that the mods have not banned this username. It's an embarrassment to the whole site community.

As if there weren't enough already!

Just kidding! Or am I?

Welcome, and enjoy yourself.

reply to post by Raustin


What's in a name??

Looking back when I first came to ATS, I must admit that my level of dumbass-ness (not too sure on that one) was way higher then it is today.

Through reading lots of interesting threads my view of the world changed drastically. In a sense ATS has become part of my education in life. So before ATS (and upon joining ATS) I could have considered myself a dumbass too. maybe that is what the OP is trying to say.....??

Don't know. I do get your point but i have seen weired names come and go..

Peace

Hello and welcome to ATS.

OK wrong name dude. You are sarcastic when you call yourself a dumb ass.

That name is offensive. Why? Because you have done your best to impress us and cause us to think you are a smart ass.

It remains to be seen just how dumb or smart you are.

Oh , on a serious note and I am being sincere. I am sorry for your loss.

Two of my husbands died and so has everyone older than me in my family. Death can be a hard thing to get through. It seem to be my constant companion these days.

You're going to be interesting to watch. Enjoy.

Peace,
Marilyn aka dizziedame