It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.


Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.


8th Wonderland : When the democracy emerge from internet (just a movie ?)

page: 1

log in


posted on May, 16 2010 @ 06:12 AM

"8th Wonderland is the first virtual country. The only true democracy."

The film is about a community of People from all countries who gather on the net and form a new nation together : "8th Wonderland". Each decision is voted by universal suffrage and over time, "Wonderland" is a real counterweight capable of influencing the real world and in state politics. ( and so it become more and more problematic for the people with powers : but ... )

You may be one of these users, you have internet you have power.

Just be a citizen : use your freedom, use your freedom of speach, use all the power you have. Use it , or we, the people, will have no power in the near future.

Official website :

Imdb :

posted on May, 16 2010 @ 06:29 AM
Do you know where come from the "terror" ?

Wikipedia :

The Terror (French: la Terreur) was a period of violence that occurred for one year and one month after the onset of the French Revolution, incited by conflict between rival political factions, the Girondins and the Jacobins, and marked by mass executions of "enemies of the revolution."

Robespierre preached a moral "insurrection against the corrupt deputies" at the Jacobin Club. On 2 June, a large crowd of armed men from the Commune of Paris came to the Convention and arrested thirty-two deputies on charges of counter-revolutionary activities.

"To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is barbarity. ”
— Maximilien Robespierre, 1794

"If virtue be the spring of a popular government in times of peace, the spring of that government during a revolution is virtue combined with terror: virtue, without which terror is destructive; terror, without which virtue is impotent. Terror is only justice prompt, severe and inflexible; it is then an emanation of virtue; it is less a distinct principle than a natural consequence of the general principle of democracy, applied to the most pressing wants of the country. ... The government in a revolution is the despotism of liberty against tyranny."

posted on May, 16 2010 @ 06:32 AM
But, to found and consolidate democracy, to achieve the peaceable reign of the constitutional laws, we must end the war of liberty against tyranny and pass safely across the storms of the revolution: such is the aim of the revolutionary system that you have enacted. Your conduct, then, ought also to be regulated by the stormy circumstances in which the republic is placed; and the plan of your administration must result from the spirit of the revolutionary government combined with the general principles of democracy.

Now, what is the fundamental principle of the democratic or popular government-that is, the essential spring which makes it move? It is virtue; I am speaking of the public virtue which effected so many prodigies in Greece and Rome and which ought to produce much more surprising ones in republican France; of that virtue which is nothing other than the love of country and of its laws.

But as the essence of the republic or of democracy is equality, it follows that the love of country necessarily includes the love of equality.

It is also true that this sublime sentiment assumes a preference for the public interest over every particular interest; hence the love of country presupposes or produces all the virtues: for what are they other than that spiritual strength which renders one capable of those sacrifices? And how could the slave of avarice or ambition, for example, sacrifice his idol to his country?

Not only is virtue the soul of democracy; it can exist only in that government.

Republican virtue can be considered in relation to the people and in relation to the government; it is necessary in both. When only the govemment lacks virtue, there remains a resource in the people's virtue; but when the people itself is corrupted, liberty is already lost.

Fortunately virtue is natural to the people, notwithstanding aristocratic prejudices. A nation is truly corrupted when, having by degrees lost its character and its liberty, it passes from democracy to aristocracy or to monarchy; that is the decrepitude and death of the body politic.

But when, by prodigious efforts of courage and reason, a people breaks the chains of despotism to make them into trophies of liberty; when by the force of its moral temperament it comes, as it were, out of the arms of the death, to recapture all the vigor of youth; when by tums it is sensitive and proud, intrepid and docile, and can be stopped neither by impregnable ramparts nor by the innumerable ammies of the tyrants armed against it, but stops of itself upon confronting the law's image; then if it does not climb rapidly to the summit of its destinies, this can only be the fault of those who govern it.

From all this let us deduce a great truth: the characteristic of popular government is confidence in the people and severity towards itself.

The whole development of our theory would end here if you had only to pilot the vessel of the Republic through calm waters; but the tempest roars, and the revolution imposes on you another task.

This great purity of the French revolution's basis, the very sublimity of its objective, is precisely what causes both our strength and our weakness. Our strength, because it gives to us truth's ascendancy over imposture, and the rights of the public interest over private interests; our weakness, because it rallies all vicious men against us, all those who in their hearts contemplated despoiling the people and all those who intend to let it be despoiled with impunity, both those who have rejected freedom as a personal calamity and those who have embraced the revolution as a career and the Republic as prey. Hence the defection of so many ambitious or greedy men who since the point of departure have abandoned us along the way because they did not begin the journey with the same destination in view. The two opposing spirits that have been represented in a struggle to rule nature might be said to be fighting in this great period of human history to fix irrevocably the world's destinies, and France is the scene of this fearful combat. Without, all the tyrants encircle you; within, all tyranny's friends conspire; they will conspire until hope is wrested from crime. We must smother the internal and external enemies of the Republic or perish with it; now in this situation, the first maxim of your policy ought to be to lead the people by reason and the people's enemies by terror.

If the spring of popular government in time of peace is virtue, the springs of popular government in revolution are at once virtue and terror: virtue, without which terror is fatal; terror, without which virtue is powerless. Terror is nothing other than justice, prompt, severe, inflexible; it is therefore an emanation of virtue; it is not so much a special principle as it is a consequence of the general principle of democracy applied to our country's most urgent needs.

It has been said that terror is the principle of despotic government. Does your government therefore resemble despotism? Yes, as the sword that gleams in the hands of the heroes of liberty resembles that with which the henchmen of tyranny are armed. Let the despot govern by terror his brutalized subjects; he is right, as a despot. Subdue by terror the enemies of liberty, and you will be right, as founders of the Republic. The government of the revolution is liberty's despotism against tyranny. Is force made only to protect crime? And is the thunderbolt not destined to strike the heads of the proud?

Indulgence for the royalists, cry certain men, mercy for the villains! No! mercy for the innocent, mercy for the weak, mercy for the unfortunate, mercy for humanity.

Society owes protection only to peaceable citizens; the only citizens in the Republic are the republicans. For it, the royalists, the conspirators are only strangers or, rather, enemies. This terrible war waged by liberty against tyranny- is it not indivisible? Are the enemies within not the allies of the enemies without? The assassins who tear our country apart, the intriguers who buy the consciences that hold the people's mandate; the traitors who sell them; the mercenary pamphleteers hired to dishonor the people's cause, to kill public virtue, to stir up the fire of civil discord, and to prepare political counterrevolution by moral counterrevolution-are all those men less guilty or less dangerous than the tyrants whom they serve?

posted on May, 16 2010 @ 11:37 AM
The word "democracy" does not appear in the declaration of independence, the Constitution, Bill of Rights, nor the pledge of allegiance.

In a true Democracy 51% of people can take away the rights of the other 49%. In a republic (a limited democracy) they cannot. The founders of the United States were historians, studied history and understood democracy to be a temporary form of government leading to anarchy.

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." -Thomas Jefferson

“The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority, or rather of that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections.” -Lord John Acton

Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. — James Madison

[edit on 16-5-2010 by zzombie]

posted on May, 20 2010 @ 06:06 AM
reply to post by zzombie

@ZZombie : i understand your opinion, your personnality : but you have illusions of your reality sorry : our societies is based on god like motto """ free market" "" is the best.
BUT : 1) So what is a free market : this is anarchism, this is chaos, this is entropy ( i like it you know
) .... but one other problem is :
2) there is no real "free market" because the rules are : the bigger the better, the big fish eat the middle fish, eat the small fish ... and finally you realized that this "free market"(liberalism) is an organism growing itself going far away from the hand of the people, ( and small and middle companys ).

You prefer a republic : this is your choice, i don't where you find a republic today with internet ...

You know i am communist critic, I know the problems of a revolution. I understand the problem of "democracy" with people with not a suffisient amount of capacity and will to understand and decide. ( and yes nowaddays there is a lot of stupid guys : but this could change : with "internet", and its "free" widespread "culture")

BUt let say the movie talked about "facebook" ...

Or let say, I find : "google wave" way more "dangerous". Let say wikipedia is also dangerous.

Do you understand what i mean : our intelligence goes in internet ( and we don't use our own ), our existence goes in internet ( and we lose our "soul").

One other problem that the movie described it is that in "this kind of democracy" there is also people with power and interest ( so it is a republic ).

posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 01:13 PM
FROM DICTATORSHIP TO DEMOCRACY A Conceptual Framework for Liberation

has been use by USA for their false revolution in other country (for 25 years ).

« Color revolution » fails in Iran by Thierry Meyssan*

top topics

log in