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excellent financial article ....chess game being played

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posted on May, 15 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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www.marketoracle.co.uk...


Today you can break a country, you don't need money you just need synthetic euroshorts or CDS. A trillion dollar bailout: Goldman can create 10 trillion of euroshorts. So it just dominates whatever governments can do.



Dynamic Hedging is a key tool in applying political pressure, which is critical to the success of the three step process I will refer overall to as Regulatory Arbitrage.




posted on May, 15 2010 @ 08:44 PM
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Disturbing... It can only go down hill from here. Unless they make them powerless.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 07:49 AM
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yup this is a great article...

the kicker with these big banks is that they have already shown to have the country by the balls.......and when congress was debating getting rid of too big too fail.......which would hurt one of the companies that controls the majority of the computer trading.......the market tanks faster than ever in history........

this is not a given ....just something to try and get to the bottom of



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 08:38 AM
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By now most of the people that understand the markets knows that is nothing but a big ponzi scheme, fake wealth been generated and erased at the push of a button.

But what the fat rats doesn't get is that nations populations will not be easily manipulated like they think they can while trashing nations economies.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 08:44 AM
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Like I said in the Gulf Oil spill thread.........there is absolutely no reason why the powers that be would purposely ruin the gulf of mexico to bring down America. They are using financial tools to do it. This article just solidifes my opinion.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 08:46 AM
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The question we all should be asking is when is China going to be calling "check mate" to the USA? Becaue they have the power to ultimately wipe out a good portion of our economy and sovereignty by calling in our debt. In fact I see WWIII breaking out as a response to an economic crisis caused by something along these lines.....China and other countries refusing to buy our debt and support the dollar.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 09:30 AM
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... Goldman can create 10 trillion of euroshorts. So it just dominates whatever governments can do.



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i said this months ago.... the the FED (federal Reserve) is allowing these big banks/market makers to actually 'create money out of thin air'

something only the FED was allowed to do -once upon a time -

i also said it was my view that these products are in essence counterfiet money that only receives credible stature & legal standing because the FED says so...& the US Treasury can do nothing but follow along.

Goldmans paper/shorts/etc are only as good a product as the corporations pockets are deep... the taxpayer underwriting is illegal & unfortunate,
but can be reversed and the cadre of financial masters be ousted and tried for economic treason /sedition. imho


the article is 'coming to the party very late'



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by St Udio
reply to post by cpdaman
 



... Goldman can create 10 trillion of euroshorts. So it just dominates whatever governments can do.



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i said this months ago.... the the FED (federal Reserve) is allowing these big banks/market makers to actually 'create money out of thin air'

something only the FED was allowed to do -once upon a time -

i also said it was my view that these products are in essence counterfiet money that only receives credible stature & legal standing because the FED says so...& the US Treasury can do nothing but follow along.

Goldmans paper/shorts/etc are only as good a product as the corporations pockets are deep... the taxpayer underwriting is illegal & unfortunate,
but can be reversed and the cadre of financial masters be ousted and tried for economic treason /sedition. imho


the article is 'coming to the party very late'


this article is actually coming at a great time.....the point wasn't that the writer just realized goldman could create 10 trilliion euro shorts......it was

about the dynamic hedging process and the capital and regulatory arbitrage which are layerd and used as a tool now to checkmating country's by the international banking cartel and their revolving door....i.e some political and regulatory appointments... using time tested methods of pressure and leverage along with today's financial alchemy.

it is about the financial system drunk on power and privelage becoming a growing parasite which has adapted to take the risk out of speculation and make the risky casino finance a very low (or zero) risk investment by shifting the risk to "the innocent".....tax payers.....etc.



[edit on 16-5-2010 by cpdaman]



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 10:27 AM
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hold on quite picking on people who worked there buts off for there ummm money.
they wanted to be rich so they worked hard and long 200 years to create a system in which they can be .so quite picking on them because your just a poor smo who isn't smart enough to buy into it.
lets go back to getting rid of all the poor smos after all they may just work at mcds or burger king and get food stamps medical and rent help now these are the real leaches and if we get ride of all them then the people who worked hard to be rich can get richer .
o and don't worry they still need there torlits to flush and there air to run so you will always have a job. Of cores they will be paying you minim wage and not a cent more but hey cant blame them they worked hard for there money.
man quite picking on the bankers. O but if by chance you do feal they need a pay cut QUITE PAYING THEM. realy is that so hard to do?



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by xxcalbier
hold on quite picking on people who worked there buts off for there ummm money.
they wanted to be rich so they worked hard and long 200 years to create a system in which they can be .so quite picking on them because your just a poor smo who isn't smart enough to buy into it.
lets go back to getting rid of all the poor smos after all they may just work at mcds or burger king and get food stamps medical and rent help now these are the real leaches and if we get ride of all them then the people who worked hard to be rich can get richer .
o and don't worry they still need there torlits to flush and there air to run so you will always have a job. Of cores they will be paying you minim wage and not a cent more but hey cant blame them they worked hard for there money.
man quite picking on the bankers. O but if by chance you do feal they need a pay cut QUITE PAYING THEM. realy is that so hard to do?



Um, do you think you could repeat that but this time in English?

That is illegible....!


MR



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 12:55 PM
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...this article is actually coming at a great time.....the point wasn't that the writer just realized goldman could create 10 trilliion euro shorts......it was ...



Late to the Party still stands... because GS, JPM, Stanley, BankAmerica, et al were creating the money-from-thin-air before-during-and ever since the 'crisis' in late 2008...
these vulture capitalists are on par or better with the present creation of debt/swap/ etc paper they had no business issuing prior to 2008 near collapse.

the point of the article is that the author has finally woken up to the fact that the FED is turning a blind-eye to the same situation that caused the collapse to begin with & is just now coming to the determination that ----yes indeed the market-makers/primary dealers have tidely usurped the power the FED used to have exclusively... i take the article as finally waking up & smelling the coffee !!

thanks,



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 01:15 PM
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The question is for how long this game is going to be played at the expenses of nations economies.

Doesn't the players know that the game can not be played indefinitely without consequences?



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by St Udio
reply to post by cpdaman
 


...this article is actually coming at a great time.....the point wasn't that the writer just realized goldman could create 10 trilliion euro shorts......it was ...



Late to the Party still stands... because GS, JPM, Stanley, BankAmerica, et al were creating the money-from-thin-air before-during-and ever since the 'crisis' in late 2008...
these vulture capitalists are on par or better with the present creation of debt/swap/ etc paper they had no business issuing prior to 2008 near collapse.

the point of the article is that the author has finally woken up to the fact that the FED is turning a blind-eye to the same situation that caused the collapse to begin with & is just now coming to the determination that ----yes indeed the market-makers/primary dealers have tidely usurped the power the FED used to have exclusively... i take the article as finally waking up & smelling the coffee !!

thanks,



stu did you read the actual article in its entirety.....including the charts

your wrong on what you think the author's point is.......i thought your usually sharp........this author has been on the fed turning a blind eye for ....i dunno 3 years.....

the point is that now the collapse hasn't happened yet.....sure the market tanked .....sure the economy went into a steep deep recession..........look at the flow charts for when the real crash appears to occur by (by latest date).....the bankruptcy of various country's over the next couple years will be the foot on the gas for the NWO drive.

the international banking cartel is obviously a key driver combined with there lackey's in the revolving door (regulatory bodies.....key admin positions) i.e geithner....summers...et al.


The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."


we are witnessing with the rising soverign bankuptcy threats/ financial rioting.... the birth pains of the NWO .......as debt burdens and bankruptcy grow and loom (respectively) for more and more country's and as financial speculation pours gas on this fire.

i would suggest you read a few of the author's article's......and i'm saying this just because i think i know what interests you.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
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The question is for how long this game is going to be played at the expenses of nations economies.

Doesn't the players know that the game can not be played indefinitely without consequences?



marge you think the international banks don't realize the consequences....they are causing and profiting from them.

it will be played as long as there are CDS spreads on soverign debt which could be speculated on.

this is a key driver (austerity measures) for the falling standard of living that must fall much more in the western nations......as the NWO takes shape.....europe is particularly vulnerable because each country does not have control of their monetary policy (i.e one central bank covering the entire E union).....so "inflating" "debasing" out of the debt is not a real possibility...

over here in the usa.....i would be a big proponent of more stimulus bills especially directed at public works.....because (1 the fed/treasury can monetize and circle jerk the monetized stimulus cost) and as stu probably disagrees monetary supply inflation is dead here..i.e it's not getting into the real economy....banks are being paid almost a full percent NOT TO LEND.......on top of a low level of credit demand......velocity of money is in the toilet.....and unemployment is still very high......wages are stagnant.........people that look closely at hyperinflation's like that occured in weimar germany........often point to speculation (massive shorts of country currency) as the cause for worthless currency......and rising prices......NOT Debt incured. but don't tell that to most people

and just because i don't see mass inflation doesn't mean gold won't continue to rise quickly......as confidence falls in soverign debt (bonds)......money shifted from the large deep pools of bonds ......will shift into the small pool of gold.....supply /demand

i.e ..even a steady money supply.....or even slightly negative M3.....situation could still see rapid price increase in gold......as the majority of people still have ZERO percent of their portfolio in physical gold.......as nations bankruptcy threats rise over the next few years......a small shift in funds out of a multi trillion dollar bond market ....into a smaller physical gold market will still = a parabolic rise in gold $



[edit on 16-5-2010 by cpdaman]



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 03:13 PM
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the Austerity measures are band-aids on the systemic problem....

the Germans have the correct idea... they are going to force the stopping of 'naked shorting' timorrow morning Europe time - Wednesday 9 AM -
(the USA is some 5 hours later)... not only are they going to force/leverage that regulation change ...but the Germans are going to propose several other derivitives & CDOs - CDSs, & other exotic paper changes to the presently fast-&-loose EU financial system,
including the Anglo-American crud currently being swapped & otherwise foisted on the EU community... to be banned-> until & unless the paper meets the requirements of the Germans !

playing within the current system of fraud, trying to fine-tune fraud just ain't gonna work,,, so my friend... quit trying to convince me (& others) that your methods that follow the FED/Treas/banker cabal is the informed one to follow,
You yourself are usually more sharper than to bite that bait hook thrown out there to the informed.


thanks for your input though

[edit on 18-5-2010 by St Udio]



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