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Schwarzenegger's solution to California's budget woes: End welfare

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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Well, I hope he has at least as much money as was cut from social welfare programs


There are no 'social welfare' programs funded by the State of California.

There is the welfare-to-work program, and it is in no way 'socialized.'

Read my previous post(s).

The welfare-to-work programs is a gimmick to expand automatically expand the debt for every 'welfare applicant'. If you still don't understand what that means, it means the so-called 'budget crisis' is being automatically increased everytime someone goes and signs-up and turns in a 'welfare application' to one of the many welfare-to-work created agencies.

Oh, I forgot to mention that the state charges 10% interest on the money it expects to be paid back even recipient never receives any income. Find me a bank that charges 10% interest!

The welfare-to-work program is basically a way to create 'loans' even if the 'welfare applicant' never receives any money... the State still creates the debt that it expects to be paid. If the applicant merely gets on the 'welfare list' an immediately hired, they are expected to still pay back their 'debt.'

To get rid of the welfare-to-work program is a damn good thing unless you like organized crime because that is how it started.




posted on May, 16 2010 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
Just curious, what do you think will happen state wide, nationally, even globally if California defaults on billions of dollars of debt, or does go "bankrupt"?

There are other consequences to consider.



There is no consequence to not pay fictitious debt.

Why do you think it takes a judge to end 'aid' status for a debt already paid that keep being paid until the judge orders it to stop? Because it is 'fictitious' based on 'ability to pay' (look-up California law) and not on actual income/expense.

There is only insane people who believe fictitious debt is going to make the state go bankrupt. Without a judge to enforce a fictitious debt, nobody is gonna be insane to continue to pay that fictitious debt and interest on fictitious debt.

Only people to whine about it are the one's who have profited off this scandal for years.

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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by dzonatas

Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Well, I hope he has at least as much money as was cut from social welfare programs


There are no 'social welfare' programs funded by the State of California.


You're kidding right?

Have a look at the California welfare programs in detail and see the mother of all bureaucracies for what it is...

law.justia.com...

Please read each program, there are many.




posted on May, 16 2010 @ 12:59 AM
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Here is another page to navigate and read...

www.cdss.ca.gov...



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by dzonatas

Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Well, I hope he has at least as much money as was cut from social welfare programs


There are no 'social welfare' programs funded by the State of California.


You're kidding right?

Have a look at the California welfare programs in detail and see the mother of all bureaucracies for what it is...

law.justia.com...

Please read each program, there are many.



Don't embarrass yourself by an attempt to point to well-known law code. There is not a single 'socialized' welfare program in those statues. Foodstamps is about as close as you are going to get to it.

Now go over that law code and find out how many agencies have been created from the welfare-to-work program with the sole purpose to 'automatically expand the debt'.

I really don't think you understand what it means to AUTOMATICALLY expand the debt. It is suppose to take a VOTE.

Don't you get the core issue of this crisis? If the welfare program needed a VOTE to expand the debt, there would be no crisis because there would be no money to give out when the last VOTED allotment was made. They bypassed citizens rights to VOTE and made it AUTOMATIC.

Now, you complain about all the illegal immigrant in california. Each one that signs a 'welfare application' without the right to VOTE will AUTOMATICALLY expand the debt.

Wake up!



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
Here is another page to navigate and read...

www.cdss.ca.gov...


I don't need another page to navigate... I've lived in California. I know the court system.

Do you live in California?

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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 01:15 AM
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No, I do go there on business from time to time.

You said there are no social programs funded by the state of California, and if you click that link to the California government site you have quoted in that post you can navigate the site and find many that are in fact funded either in part or completely by the state.

I can't make you look, but it is there.

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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
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No, I do go there on business from time to time.

You said there are no social programs funded by the state of California, and if you click that link to the California government site you have quoted in that post you can navigate the site and find many that are in fact funded either in part or completely by the state.

I can't make you look, but it is there.


I've already looked many times months and years ago. Same thing different day.

The State only funds the paychecks to the State employees, to create agencies under the welfare-to-work program, and the incentives to corporation to hire people from the 'welfare list'. Any money that is given to one person in a form of 'welfare' actually comes out of another person's check. Those agencies make sure that transaction happen. The 'welfare' money doesn't come from taxes. The 'welfare list' is suppose to get people hired. (You almost have to go get on the 'welfare list' to get hired due to corp tax break.)

Foodstamps actually come from money from the Counties. It is the closet thing to any 'socialize welfare'.

Do you think there is an incentive to allow more immigrants into California, becuase you know they come to California for their welfare program, and upon every sign-up California gains another excuse to pay-off fictitious debt created by the AUTOMATIC debt expansion. With a system like this, why would California ever want to stop immigrants. Each one means a larger budget if they work, generate income, and pay off that 'aid' status. If it is an illegal immigrant, then that expanded debt stays and there is nobody to pay it off except some other Californian. There are laws to prevent any retroactive action once the debt is made. More of this fictitious debt paid means a larger budget for the State, or that was the original incentive. It failed and is the sole reason for this crisis.

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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 01:52 AM
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I have a feeling that whatever ideas Schwarzenegger has it won't be enough. California is so screwed! If they cut welfare that would be great for a source of funding but it may not be enough to do anything meaningful. Then the welfare programs no longer in place anymore create alot of pissed off Californians.

It's like...

1) Keep welfare in place

or

2) End welfare in California and start repairing roads with the money we save. HMMMMMMMM!

Either way somebody gets the short end of the stick!

-ChriS



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 02:00 AM
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Last i heard he didn't govern by decree. That's just his proposal for the budget. If you read the article, you'd see that it takes 2/3 majority vote in the Calif legislature to pass a budget or to increase taxes. That's why his budget won't get passed as he wants it and that's why there's constant gridlock when it comes to budget cuts or raising taxes. The Calif Legislature can never vote 2/3 majority on anything, unless it's a payraise for themselves.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 02:05 AM
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And so another Socialist fairy tale ends?

Should I, being one state above Cali, expect another exodus of Californians seeking a new Progressive paradise?



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by RedGolem
 


And so another Socialist fairy tale ends?

Should I, being one state above Cali, expect another exodus of Californians seeking a new Progressive paradise?


OMG!! I know!

California is like the most likely state to just secede altogether and join the EU....


They definately have enough people to be their own country, plus the untold numbers of illegals. Add all these budget woes on top of it and you get nothing but a state falling apart under the weight of its own economy. I'm so glad I do not live there..

-ChriS



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 02:21 AM
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Be glad you live no where near it. The Progressives in California get tired of their system collapsing and move to Oregon and Washington, where they call the local barbarians and impose their Progressive model here as well. result? Some of the highest unemployment and biggest budget holes here.

Thanks California.. you're like a horrible STD.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by jam321
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I really wish there was a way to find out what the true cost is without a lot of misleading numbers on both sides of the issues.



Californias Certified Annual Financial Report will give you a good start in finding out where the money is.
www.sco.ca.gov...
www.sco.ca.gov...

you don't need to read all of it to understand what's really going on here, just find the summary and see how much loot Arnie and the other crooks are sitting on. Last time I looked the budget deficit was 19 billion and the net assetts were 150 billion plus.

California and the other US states are not broke, they just wont spend what they have.

You can't call yourself a conspiracy researcher if you don't know about CAFRs (Certified Annual Financial Report). Learn all about them here:

cafr1.com...

Usually when I post this info the thread goes dead. Somebody please look into this and tell me I wrong.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 02:33 AM
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Wow, its going to be even harder living in California while serving burgers and fries...I thought arni liked having happy slaves.



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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 02:42 AM
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Yes, I know about the CAFR's. They are huge conglomeration of numbers. I tried reading through my Republic's a few times.

The conclusion's though do not bring the numbers up though of illegal alien costs though.

And if California is sitting on money, it better be over 500 Billion. Because that is what their debt is close to.

Just a quick perusal and I get this-

Noncurrent Assets and Liabilities
As of June 30, 2008, the primary government’s noncurrent assets totaled $127.7 billion, of which $102.2 billion
is related to capital assets. State highway infrastructure assets of $58.5 billion represent the largest portion of
the State’s capital assets.
The primary government’s noncurrent liabilities totaled $107.1 billion, which consists of $55.5 billion in general
obligation bonds, $29.6 billion in revenue bonds, and $22.0 billion in all other noncurrent liabilities.

The primary government’s combined net assets (governmental and business-type activities) decreased 25.3%,
from $46.8 billion as restated at June 30, 2007, to $35.0 billion a year later.

It does not seem ol Cowafonea is doing that well back in 08


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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 02:55 AM
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If you really want to fix the budget woes in this country, stop funding the largest budgets, such as the war in iraq, and afghanistan.

seems like the only people who are stiffed here are the poor. While the rich bank off the wars, the poor are stuck to fit the bill.

I am some-what against welfare. In certain cases its needed, and in some cases people milk the system, thats a fact. it may be a good thing with what he is doing, but he will disrupt his economy even further by stripping some people of buying power in his state.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 03:03 AM
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You are referencing the wrong budget numbers.

The one that people like to quote in referencing the budget of the US government does not include all of the numbers.

I am assuming you are referring to the 2/3 defense budget number that has been quoted on this site several times?

That budget does not include everything.

The largest component of our real US budget goes to SS and Medicare. They DWARF the defense budget. By 3-4 times.

If you want the links or pie graphs, I will post them.

Now, I say pull 90% of our military back. No doubt, but the US gov Budget per the numbers I remember, 3.8 Trillion. Of that 750 billion in defense.

So the defense is about 19% of the federal budget.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 03:05 AM
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reply to post by endisnighe
 


This thread is about Californias budget. If you would rather ride your hobby horse, than do your research and find the real solution, so be it.

edit

you're quick! Is there an accountant in the house?


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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 03:19 AM
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Not an accountant per se, but have had accounting 101 and 201 plus several more business courses.

I am not familiar with some of their terminology and I would have to do some cross referencing to get a better idea of their outlook.

I know a lot of the numbers they quote on the MSM are usually just made up crap, but I would need to find their investment information.

Here is the deal, the governments are a corporation.

The problem is, assets compared to liabilities.

I need the totals, not the yearly budgets.

We need total outstanding liabilities, and total outstanding future liabilities.

Only from memory, the California Debt is around 500 Billion. I have no idea what their outstanding future liabilities are.

These are things like retirement packages and the like.

You also need to get the investments. These would be another part of their assets.

It takes time to go through these reports they do. They never lay it out easy to get to the totals. They are all over the place in the reports.





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