As Californian who actually experiences the mess in California, I can tell you he it doing the right thing. The rawstory article just worded it in a way to do a number on him since part of the "list of thing to do" are already done.

Besides that, people that live out of California probably have no idea what it has been like to live under the previous few governors. The govenator has done an awesome job to baby-wipe the mess they made.


Has it been a fun ride... no. Do I want to return to the previous governor's ways... are you freak'n insane?

One thing on the list left to do is to get rid of the welfare-to-work program. That program is so freak'n abused it causes more problems than it could ever fix. It puts people in 'AID' status, which mean they are 'in debt' no different like any bank would put anybody in-debt. How many people love to expand the national debt? If you love doing that then you'll probably love to keep the welfare-to-work program going because it is an automatic expansion of 'AID'(heint 'debt') with no vote but with merely by every single application turned in... someone's got to pay for it and it doesn't get paid by the state. The state only pays for state employees paycheck. When they talk about a larger budget for the welfare-to-work program... they mean a larger budget to put more people in 'AID'(debt) status.

What's worse, it takes a freak'n judge to get out of 'AID' status. That process is worse then being on crack. It doesn't matter if you paid the entire 'AID' amount back... you pay... and pay... and you don't stop paying until the judge says you are done... or until some miracle person losses your records.

Wake up people... all you thought this was a bad idea for what the governator wants... he is a freak'n genius and stand-ups and targets exactly what needs to change.

If you don't live in California... you don't know what you are saying. Don't make it worse for us just because rawstory wrote some spin job on him.

I don't think you understand what 'welfare-to-work' actually means... they make you work... no you don't get welfare.

Even worse, there is even cases where someone can sign-up and another person is then the one put in debt... that person is forced to work. It happens more than you would think. The courts are packed over the issue and made hard to get any change. It's enslavement.

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Having lived during the govenators years of running california I can say this:
1) This is not just the govenors problem, but the state legislature as well. He has been trying to balance the buget since he has taken office, but is often stalled at the legislature level. He has a lot of good ideas.
2) This is his last year as govenor, so he can make the more unpopular decision and will not be getting reelected, so he is cutting loose and cutting out programs, not afraid of anyone right now. Looks like the govenator is going to go out with a bang.

Originally posted by Target Earth
I don't live in California, but I would kinda worry about a massive spike in crime.

Being that Sacramento is said to have the roughest main jail, I would think to merely compare the crime rates on the streets 20 years ago to what they are today is a good indication that any extra crime is still going to be much less than what it was 20 years ago. The street and gang problem are a laugh today compared to what they were. At least the gangs get along and reports the main jail doesn't need to be completely segregated from every other part of town.

I would think, that welfare recipients would become more desperate and turn to crime.

Why? Because the budget cut wouldn't pay for the buildings to house and pay attorneys that make people work, anymore? The budget doesn't pay welfare directly to the people, so to cut the budget doesn't stop giving income to anybody except the attorneys that were paid to put people in jail if they did not work to pay their debt ('aid' status).

Only real welfare people get in California is unemployment (which it limited term and you still have to pay into before you can receive anything), and medical expenses. Only other way to get welfare is by disabilities, and that still is very limited and usually people have to go federal. Everything else about welfare is based on debt... not hand-outs. Foodstamps, they get a credit card that can only be used to by food. They don't get a hand-out of money to buy anything they want.

To cut out welfare-to-work would mean the automatic debt expansion would stop. There will always be a state budget crisis for every time a person signs an application and that application causes to debt to continually expand... that budget never balances because of this. The attorneys would stop being paid. There would be no reason to pack the courts with these 'aid' cases. There would be suddenly a reduction to fund the court system that has taken care of these use overloaded court room and people to staff them and attorneys to pay that all they really do is just tell people to go to work... not give them a hand-out.

When will people get the hint?



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California is failing.

I just spent two days in the Los Angeles area, in Vernon, Santa Fe Springs and Ontario.... What shocked me is the number of businesses and warehouses that are now empty along with corporate office space... hundreds of massive buildings that are now empty... Jobs are gone, and going along with these businesses... Worse yet is the lost revenue the city and state would have collected from these businesses and employees... Many of which are now surviving on government assistance with virtually no job prospects... The numbers hardly reflect the situation hundreds of thousands of people who have been profoundly affected by this evil downward cycle.

It was rather scary and depressing and somewhat hard to explain... The poverty seems barely held stable, however with the current city and state budget crisis and potential cuts to social programs at a time when people need it most will no doubt make a very bad situation for many much, much worse.

I really do not want to go back to LA, and if I lived and worked there I would be frantically looking for a way out of that city, and out of the state.

It can only get worse.

good, now the illegals may leave.

In any event the hypocrisy is disgraceful. To denounce Arizona..and then turn around and do this is beyond disgusting. It's worse, really.

Yes, worse.

The state of California wants a Federal bailout, what Governor Arnold is doing voicing what he will do if that bailout doesn't come soon enough.

Congress have a bill already in the table to bailout California but this bailout will benefit the union workers and government workers in the state more than anything else, while most of the bailout will go to California still have to share the money with many other states around the nation that also wants a bailout.

The problems in California will still be there with bailout or not.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
In any event the hypocrisy is disgraceful.

What hypocrisy? Where did govenator say he was going to do 'reasonable suspicion' on anybody like Arizona? How is to denounce 'reasonable suspicion' comparable to cut welfare-to-work program?

This is what the welfare-to-work program does:
A) person turns in application
B) state debt is expanded for "deficit spending" upon processed application
C) people are given a program to help them get hired
D) they work while they supposedly pay-back this 'debt'
E) the state collects a portion of everybodies income

Now, think about this, at each step, here is the magic dirty little secret:
A) person lists what they are able to make
B) state expands the debt based on what person says they are able to make
C) companies hire people directly from this 'welfare list'
D) state budget supposedly increases as people work and pay-back debt
E) corporations collect taxes: they keep a portion of the 'expanded debt' being paid in return as an incentive to hire more from the 'welfare list'

The State literally tried to become a bank based on zero-point loans, and it has done this ever since the welfare-to-work programs has been in place.

Someone got to ask, where is this money gonna come from if the State never had it in the first place? They didn't care... they just put people in jail if they didn't work.