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Hollywoods Conspiracy against girls

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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
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The role models of the 70's and 80's may not have been the best at times, but at least they kept their clothes on on T.V. I guess the good side of all this is that I have legitimate reasons to tell my kid to shut of the boob tube.


Yeah seriously, what would we do if there were nothing but naked people just running amok? Our heads would explode.



So kids grow up watching Miley Cyrus turn from being a sweet kid to to any man's piece of meat and that's perfectly acceptable to you?
How do you explain THAT one to your kid?


Easy, I would tell them that each person's sexual expression is their decision, and that their opinion's regarding what someone else is doing in their private life

doesn't matter

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Peace




posted on May, 16 2010 @ 07:37 PM
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Yea it is their own sexual expression, but when the media has so much power and influence over people it IS kinda like they are telling us how to be and what we should do. Especially when there's no contrast to something less provacative and such.

I'm not against sexual expression.. I am just a bit old fashioned I guess, and perhaps unfulfilled, but still I hold my views that sexuality should be sacred and not degradative.



[edit on 16-5-2010 by The Quiet Storm]



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 07:43 PM
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Sacred? I think sexuality should be natural, explored and fun!

So go have fun everyone! Those are my honest wishes for mankind atm...



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
reply to post by The Quiet Storm
 


Sacred? I think sexuality should be natural, explored and fun!

So go have fun everyone! Those are my honest wishes for mankind atm...


Sacred does not mean unnatural...



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 07:57 PM
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Anti-Feminist movies are funny just as any anti-minority movie is funny.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by riley
People can call it "coerce" all they like but the legal (and moral) term for having sex with a 12 year old is rape. Imo if someone witnesses such a thing they are party to it.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by riley]



And what if it is a 12 year old having sex with another 12 year old??? Do they both get charged with "rape"....or just the boy?

I'm just curious...because I don't consider that a crime at all. A 12 year old and an 18 year old...I would consider a crime.

He said the girls were coerced.. he would not know that unless he watched.

So.. do you think it's okay for 12 year old boys to coerce 12 year old girls into sexual activity then? Thats what you are saying.


btw. I'm pretty sure sexual coercion of a minor by a minor is still illegal anyway.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by riley]



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 10:20 AM
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I don't look at girls or women as pieces of meat.

This goes a loooong ways towards helping my kid hang on to her self esteem.

Men who look at women as pieces of meat, don't change their attitude towards women even if women change how they dress, even it their women cover themselves from head to toe, they still see pieces of meat.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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I agree with you there.

Good point.



Peace



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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sigh
I am saddened to think of what the future holds for our children. This sexually charged world we live in isn't getting any better. Sex screams at us from TV to magazines, video games to billboards. I hate to think of all the children that will be born to teen girls who have no clue how to handle a baby, who have no clue who their father is and who are born diseased. All the children who will never had a childhood because all they can think of is sex because its everywhere. Teens and pre teens who will get diseases and continue to spread them because sex is so important to them. Girls who will not know who they are or what they stand for because in order to be liked, you gotta put out. Girls who will become abused because of boys who are sex crazy. I wish I lived in a hole at the ends of the earth so my girls would be ok forever.

to the poster who asked if people are realistically getting ideas about relationships between a man and woman from porn........I think the answer is yes after all, its cell phone ready now.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 12:55 PM
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Her private life just so happens to be in the media where millions of impressionable young girls,who look up to her as a role model, have access to it on a daily basis because their parents, like you, thinks that it doesn't matter.

You seem to be giving kids in that age bracket WAY too much credit in assuming they are going to make the right decisions based on what they see in the media. They see stuff like this in the media, because more times than not, their parents are out working to make ends meet, leaving the kids home to fend for themselves. Like it or not, the media ends up raising the youth of today for one reason or another.

I WISH what skanks like M.C. did was in their private lives, but it's not.

So it DOES matter.



Peace




posted on May, 17 2010 @ 12:57 PM
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Thank you.....Finally, thank you.

Someone who see's the situation for what it reaaly is.



Peace



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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What I have found to work? Honesty

When Miley started going for the sexy girl image, my daughter lost all interest. The same is true of the girl who sent out naked pictures of herself, she lost all interest in High School Musical, when she had been crazy about the movies before that.

If you raise your kids right, they aren't going to let some teen idol effect how they feel about themselves, or imitate their bad behavior. Teach them that pop stars are only people pretending to be someone else, and are not worthy of adulation. Then you won't have to worry about pop stars misbehaving.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 04:04 PM
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I think the real issue here is America's views on sexuality. In this country, we view anything sexual as shameful or bad, and that causes women (and men) to have a bad understanding of sexuality.

Sexuality and sexual desires are a beautifull thing and should be encouraged. The problems start around pueberty when people start having all these urges and no role models in society to look up to. They have no guidance about what they're feeling. They don't have anyone telling them that yes, that's natural. It's okay. Instead they have society feeding them this false image of sex as being dirty and shamefull. That's not healthy.

When you have no good role models for men or women, the whole society suffers because it's views on sexuality are flawed. In part, we can thank the feminist movement for that, because they have drawn women away from the feminine and have tried to feminize men. I can't remember the exact quote, but the late Pope John Paul II said "the fate of the world depends every day on what man will be for woman and what woman will be for man". We need men to be men and womenj to be women, and sadly that's not what's going on.

I think that when our society accepts sexuality as a healthy and natural part of our existence, we won't be so offended by some provacative dancing. I think the fact that our culture has a repressive view on sex actully hurts women more than men, and for all you who think women don't have the same urges as men, I suggest you check out My Secret garden by Nancy Friday and 9 and 1/2 weeks by Elizabeth Mcneill.

Now a 17 year old grinding on a man twice her age is a different story, although I don't think it's anything more than a joke at a party..



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
reply to post by dalan.
 


Her private life just so happens to be in the media where millions of impressionable young girls,who look up to her as a role model, have access to it on a daily basis because their parents, like you, thinks that it doesn't matter.

You seem to be giving kids in that age bracket WAY too much credit in assuming they are going to make the right decisions based on what they see in the media. They see stuff like this in the media, because more times than not, their parents are out working to make ends meet, leaving the kids home to fend for themselves. Like it or not, the media ends up raising the youth of today for one reason or another.

I WISH what skanks like M.C. did was in their private lives, but it's not.

So it DOES matter.



Peace



Exactly!

And in the meantime, her Hannah Montana re-runs will go on and on perpetually, drawing in new little fans, while she is turning into someone who will not be a very good role model for her old fans, or any new little fans either.

Once again, here is a working link to her new video, which is creepy, scary, and as I said before, positively approaching evil. At the very least, not appropriate for any young fans.

New Generation of Pop Stars Unleashed

By the way, I talk to my daughter about stuff like this and explain why it's not appropriate to act and dress in certain ways, and I definitely am not a prude about sex.

I want her to have self respect though, and not feel like she has to dress provocatively or "put out" to be popular. In fact, right now, at only 13, she is not really allowed to wear obvious make-up and her clothing choices are monitored and approved or disapproved by me and her father.

I let my daughter know that sex is a natural part of a loving relationship and is not to be taken lightly.

But many people have too casual of an attitude about sex, with oftentimes disastrous consequences, that usually aren't shown in the media. I think that's why a lot of young adults struggle with false expectations regarding love and relationships, and that's why I talk to my young adult children about what is really important that the media and movies don't show.

Parents should be telling their children these things to counteract the other messages that are out there. If they don't, how will the children know, except to have to live through it?

God Bless

sezsue



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 06:39 PM
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I have to agree you there. You're absolutly right. But unfortunatly, that attitude is in the minority nowadays which is why people like Miley Cyrus and Disney make so much money.

If more parents acted like you do with their children, this would be a much better society.



Peace



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 07:47 PM
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Thanks, I think this a good thread, and a good subject, even if I have came out on the opposing side, there has been good discussions. I think you have a very healthy attitude, being there for your kid is number one. It is hard to compete with the media.

Miley Cyrus doesn't bother me as the whole Twilight series. What is it about vampires that has girls so obsessed. That is a very twisted obsession if you ask me, it brings up a host of seriously messed up concepts.

If you tell them not to do something, it only encourages them to rebel and do it behind your back, especially when they are mad at you.

Remember, in the teenage world, if Mom or Dad like it, it is definitely not cool.



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 09:06 PM
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You took the words from my mouth.

It really makes me sad to think what is going to happen to the youth of today and tomorrow. I know what took place in my own youth, I now look back as an adult and think what a fool I was. Luckily I pulled through those years without incodent. But I cannot say others from my youth were so lucky. Still I think about those who I might have influenced.

People can say what they will but some day you have to look back. You can either be proud of ever moment you have or look at some moments and shake your head.

Raist



posted on May, 17 2010 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
reply to post by dalan.
 

Her private life just so happens to be in the media


Because people such as yourself can't help but to look for reasons to police people's behavior when it does not match your own morals.



...where millions of impressionable young girls,who look up to her as a role model, have access to it on a daily basis because their parents, like you, thinks that it doesn't matter.



My daughter does not watch television and could care less about Miley Cyrus or Hannah Montana. In fact, there is not one television in my home, I will not tolerate one.

She knows how to read because I taught her how, and won't waste her time with such stupidity. People are "impressionable" because they are raised to be incompetent.

If your children did not have a parent that was obsessed with the private life of celebrities, maybe they wouldn't be either.


You seem to be giving kids in that age bracket WAY too much credit in assuming they are going to make the right decisions based on what they see in the media.


And your not giving them enough.

And what's the wrong decision? Giving someone a lap dance is bad? No wait! Let me guess! The "right" decision is the one that your going to make for everyone right?


They see stuff like this in the media, because more times than not, their parents are out working to make ends meet, leaving the kids home to fend for themselves. Like it or not, the media ends up raising the youth of today for one reason or another.


Huh.

That's why we try to teach them critical thinking.



I WISH what skanks like M.C. did was in their private lives, but it's not.


See, this is what this issue is really about. The people who scream about sex and sexuality being offensive and immoral are usually the one's with the biggest issues regarding sexuality. Its not the fact that kids are going to be exposed to something that could potentially "corrupt" their poor "impressionable" minds...its the fact that so many people seem to be completely neurotic towards this matter.

Yeah, my daughter saw Miley Cyrus give someone a lap dance, and then she started trafficking drugs because it was the only logical step to take in her mind.


So it DOES matter.


Totally.

If your kids saw the lap dance, they may begin to believe that sex, and their sexuality is Ok...and that they don't have to feel ashamed; but after seeing your comment regarding the "skank" I can already tell that if you do have children they are going to have issues.

How terrible.

I think a certain someone has some issues regarding their sexuality.



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by dalan.

If your kids saw the lap dance, they may begin to believe that sex, and their sexuality is Ok...and that they don't have to feel ashamed; but after seeing your comment regarding the "skank" I can already tell that if you do have children they are going to have issues.





It's not just the lapdance. the context of the lapdance matters too.


[edit on 18-5-2010 by The Quiet Storm]



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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no person, entity, organization, magazine, tv show, etc... can make you do, think, feel, or believe anything without you, the receiver of the information, giving it power to. we must start taking responsibility for our own selves and stop blaming.



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