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Hollywoods Conspiracy against girls

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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 12:42 AM
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reply to post by ImaNutter
 


I was thinking of something a little more...spectacular.
*2*




posted on May, 16 2010 @ 04:14 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
The way I see it...you can thank the feminist movement for this type of behavior.

And yes...young girls are having sex frequently and at an early age...and this too you can thank the feminist movement.

Yep and girls being married off into sexual slavery before they've even started menstuating was also all due to the feminist movement.


Accepting your argument would require ignoring all of human history.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by riley]



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 04:25 AM
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Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni


And thats one more thing to the list of differences between europe and america... we kinda quit guns long time ago, but thats ok, yer a young nation... with a not so bright future.




now dont shoot me and go love someone.



Yeah, you guys did give up guns, where did that get you? NWO beta.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 05:42 AM
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OK guys just to throw one in there, What about this famous directer,
Whos managed to evade American/European justice for so long.
ROMAN POLANSKI,
Who's keeping this fella from well earned jail time, IMO
An extract from from (alleged) court proceedings,


Samantha Geimer: "He showed me a Vogue magazine that he had done and he said, 'Would you like me to take your pictures?'"
"At any time did you pose without a top?"
"Yes."
"At that time were you wearing a bra?"
"No."
"So you were bare from the waist up?"
"Yes."
"Was that at his request or did you volunteer to do that?"
"That was at his request…

As i said his movie mates have some strong connections to keep this perpetrator from being extradited back to the USA,
One of the more obvious "in house cover ups"...



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 06:27 AM
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It seems to me that Hollywood and all of the entertainment 'industry' are one of the elites' favorite tools for betraying all humanity through degradation of women and girls and the complete destruction of innocence.

TV is the most powerful medium for distributing the dark material of those who seek to enslave us all.

Young women are being encouraged to view themselves as nothing but sex objects, that their true worth and value is about the sexual approval of men and nothing else.

I've not read this entire Thread and apologise if I've bored anyone with views already expressed.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 07:20 AM
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Coerced means not fully willingly. If you know of young girls aged 12 or so being coerced into giving gang bangers BJs in the bathroom and are not reporting them you are no different than the gang bangers.

It is illegal to coerce a girl that young into sexual situations.


Edit to add the meaning of coerce:
Just for educational reasons.

co·erce   /koʊˈɜrs/ Show Spelled[koh-urs] Show IPA
–verb (used with object),-erced, -erc·ing.
1.to compel by force, intimidation, or authority, esp. without regard for individual desire or volition: They coerced him into signing the document.
2.to bring about through the use of force or other forms of compulsion; exact: to coerce obedience.
3.to dominate or control, esp. by exploiting fear, anxiety, etc.: The state is based on successfully coercing the individual.



Raist


[edit on 5/16/10 by Raist]



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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People can call it "coerce" all they like but the legal (and moral) term for having sex with a 12 year old is rape. Imo if someone witnesses such a thing they are party to it.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by riley]



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 09:14 AM
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reply to post by ImaNutter
 


Nice. I liked yer answer.

To be honest that was part joke part true as you clearly noted, and the anti-american comments were just to tease these bunch of "blast from the past" ppl when they're so "against a girl lap dancing" but I see them defending stupid things everyday in other threads. I get the feeling that their notion of morals is completely skewed and the "land of the free" holy crap... the girl isnt even free to lap dance! Then a couple of church rats come and say "its not dancing, its sex with clothes"... lol seriously. I bet deep inside they actually enjoyed that lap dance and thought "screw disney" (no... literally
) but still they carried on with they false puritan act and waving a big nono to the girl, the "american beauty syndrome" (if you know the movie)

In some things (and some bad) the US is all bout staying hip, the us actually commands the world, but in some other things (in some cases innocent or natural like this 17 girl lap dancing) seem like it got stuck in time... weird vision of morals, thats all...

And damn that girl was hot
I was just joking, to be honest the US are full of hot chicks, no argue there!!!

Now for the G-string guy... look, I'm a guy, I dont wear G-strings, and btw, I dont even like to see girls with g-strings



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 09:33 AM
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What?

Look man... I rather have my NWO beta than the issues the US face from within right now. You are collapsing in every way... now even the mexicans want their land back (damn we have our borders pretty much unchanged for almost 1000 years) and the freakin world hates you to bits, from east to west because of the schemes you use for profit and hostile take overs all around the world.

You really think we have NWO beta? Look, the portuguese dont like the spanish, french dont like the english, or the germans etc etc but we eventually learned how to get along with our differences. Doesnt mean we actually like each other but it was needed if we actually wanted to grow up, or else we'd still be shooting and killing eachother for petty differences.
You guys blindly worship a piece of cloth and hold on to it as it if was the most important thing you have.

The US is pretty much the epicenter of all conspiracies and you think we are NWO beta? Why... because we dont go beserk around shooting each other because "its in our right or in the constitution" and you follow a completely outdated piece of paper written 223 years ago? Like any empire you are now in a very fragile situation, everyone pulling their end, risking turning that empire into a shattered mirror and you worry about our NWO? Look inside, solve your internal problems THEN criticize the others, but first take care of youselves.

If NWO means having a "flag from earth" instead of stupid differences, then yes bring on the war to end all wars and unite the planet once and for all.

Yet... with all these issues... you're shocked at the lap dancing of a 17 year old that prolly knows a BIT MORE than just lap dance



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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This is just such nonsense.

Old news, really. About 10 or more years ago, hard to keep track of the decades, they had a a similar big controversy at a local high school. It seems that dancing had evolved into primarily doing what Miley is doing in this video, except even more dirty, and the school board wanted to ban this from of dancing, which was protested by the student body.

Miley is just acting like a normal sixteen year old, her Disney contract has nothing to do with it.

I think most of these complainers have nothing but a big green eyed monster.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 11:23 AM
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Where was I in 69? Crying like a baby because I had to go to kindergarten.


I'm a product of the 70's. Music that is. I didn't discover girls "all the way" until '83 when I was stationed in Germany when I served in the Army. Between there, Switzerland, and France is where I cut my sexual teeth [ I travelled a bit]. As you may well know, the sexual attitudes over there were, and probably still are, alot more easygoing. They didn't seem to have any baggage tied to it. They looked at it the way it's supposed to be looked at, fun. With no hidden agenda's, no points to prove, and nothing to rebel against. Just.....fun. If you want to see that as one definition of free love, then yes, I experienced free love [ Although sometimes I did pay for it
]

That's the sexual attitude I grew up with. And since the women I was with were so easygoing and liked it so much, they were very good at what they did
Experimentation was encouraged, as was hash.

But then I get back here to the states, and it didn't take long to miss the European ladies. Too many stuck-up tight a##es who thought they were ENTITLED to it and just laid there while YOU did all the work.

So what did I do? Hooked up with and married a black woman. Why? Listen to Some Girls by the Stones and you'll know. Yes, I did it for all the wrong reasons. No, it didn't last. But the "wrong" reasons were'nt the reason, coc aine was.

So when I tell people that my morals are different, not better, from the Cyrus' of the world, that's where my statement is coming from. Knowing what little you know about me now, you understand how it would be hypocritical of me to say that I'm "better" than they are. Just because I've changed into a family man with the same wife of 10+ years doesn't make me better than someone who is loose with ther sexality with multiple partners. Been there, done that. The ONLY difference now is that I have the same partner. The most beautiful re-headed Italian you'd ever hope to meet.

But the way I view sex and the way they view sex are 2 different animals. They encourage it because it helps them make money. I will encourage it for my daughter [in about 20 years, lol] because it's fun and it can help help you draw closer to someone you love. That encouragement will come from experience, not some 17 year old media whore who THINKS she knows what she's doing.

You don't have to have multiple partners and flaunt what you do in front of the world in order to have a good sex life. Trust me, I've had multiple partners in my day and I've had a much better sex life,and still do, than she EVER will simply because of the way she goes about it. She's just your typical American female IMO-- "look at me, I'm a big girl now and making a lot of money" points to prove and rebellion are oozing out of every pore. Yeah, that's sexy


BTW, you can apply this to the young males of today too. Which is what I probably what I shoud've done in the first place. [It would have made the above paragraph a lot less creepy]

It used to be that role models, and whether she likes it or not that's what she is, knew what they were and acted accordingly. Apperently those days are long gone. They just don't seem to care what people think of them as long as their bank account keeps getting fatter.

But I guess that we as a society have "progressed" to this point and that's simply the way it is, so just accept it. Yeah, way to deny ignorance people.


So dude, where YOU in 69?




Peace



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by riley
People can call it "coerce" all they like but the legal (and moral) term for having sex with a 12 year old is rape. Imo if someone witnesses such a thing they are party to it.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by riley]



And what if it is a 12 year old having sex with another 12 year old??? Do they both get charged with "rape"....or just the boy?

I'm just curious...because I don't consider that a crime at all. A 12 year old and an 18 year old...I would consider a crime.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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Actually, the video I was reffering to IS stupidity.

A drunk 17 year old and 44 year old gay man dancing?

You're right, that's intelligent media.



Peace



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 11:48 AM
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Sometimes it seems like debates end up dominated by American viewpoints and it's nice to have people from other nations give their perspective.

reply to post by Taupin Desciple
 


First let me answer "Where was IIII in '69?" I don't even think I was a spermlet yet
I'm 23.

But I do want to get to the rest of your response and say thank you for coming back and giving what was really a thoughtful response.

Any crap I was giving you for good, bad, better... I'd take back if I could...

Not that I didn't before, but I fully respect your opinion on this and I agree with it. When you gave the "behind the scenes" look it's pretty much impossible for me to find any fault in your reasoning.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 12:10 PM
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Thanks for the good words, I appreciate it.

23 huh? That's when I was about to wrap up my little "European vacation". I hope you have as much with it as I did.



Peace




posted on May, 16 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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Yeah, the grass is always greener on the other side.

You obviously know nothing about the role models of the past, because Miley is no different than all but a few rare exceptions.

People like to pile on Miley because she made tons of money, and you are all jealous.

I watched Miley through her time on Disney with my kid, who was the right age then. Miley was a sweet kid, and now she has grown up.

Build a bridge and get over it.



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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It was actually.

The role models of the 70's and 80's may not have been the best at times, but at least they kept their clothes on on T.V. I guess the good side of all this is that I have legitimate reasons to tell my kid to shut of the boob tube.

Jealous of her money? I've got enough of my own thank you very much. Besides which, I'd rather have a better sex life that more money. It's no secret that the more money you have, the more people there are trying to get a piece of the pie.How can you have fun with what you have if you're constantly guarding it? Sex on the other hand, the more fun you have, the less you have to guard your partner from going astray because she wants to come back for more.

I'm not jealous of rich people, I pity them.

So kids grow up watching Miley Cyrus turn from being a sweet kid to to any man's piece of meat and that's perfectly acceptable to you?
How do you explain THAT one to your kid?

Do you know what happens when you get over something?
You look down on it.
But I'm sure that's something Miley is used to by now, right?



Peace



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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Well there are fine lines in coercion. What do you call "sweeping a woman off her feet?".

What do you call such fantasies women have also, of a guy just going wild on her and she finds it "hot".

Just look at porn though, there's coercion everywhere in porn. Women and children see this, and think it's "hot".

Guess what they do?

The girl only figures that she actually "likes it" or just "goes with it" after she's already been forced in some way. Guys are expected to be deviant, and "sinister". Do you really think a woman wants a guy who is all careful and not honest about his desire? Sexual desire is not the most tamable desire. That's a problem I have with it. It just seems like the only type of guy to actually make a sexually motivated approach (even if it's hidden) are the guys who would have no remorse over it, and that's the remorse to see her as simply an object of sexual desire. How many women find that "hot"? Well men and women wish they could.

As for me, I can't really approach a woman like that, sexually motivated as if she's just some tail. That's a bit predatorial, but hey it's normal here in society. Well I guess it wouldn't be so bad if sex wasn't all taboo and we were educated on sacred sexuality but that simply isn't the case. It's all simply materialistic, and I'm not like that. Yet, I end up being "too nice" because I want to respect the woman. And I've never had a girlfriend in my entire life, nor have had sex fully engaged in it ie, I've had it with a decent looking crackwhore as my first time (and I didn't coerce her with crack, there was no crack involved even), but still dirty (and I mean the skanky type) and with a "fat" chick who was a lot younger than me and was just a slut and drunk. She really had no problem getting guys either even though she was big, but a guy on the other hand? Not very good experiences for me. Lots of women seem to be very unconscious and gullible when it comes to sex, and dating, or so it seems. Why!? I simply haven't been able to put up an act to attract women, and there are guys who are TONS "worse" than I, who get more in one day than I have in my entire life, and from "GOOD" and "SWEET" and "BEAUTIFUL" "INNOCENT" girls. Me, never had a girlfriend. Nor one who was actually ever interested in me as a REAL person, even though I believe I'm a good one, at least on the inside if on the outside I am a bit of a nutcase due to certain situations that have driven me mad, and physiologically ill.

What do you think of a woman who feels forced to give sexual favors out of anxiety because otherwise she would be deemed uncool, or for popularity? Or one who does it because another has deceived her into it? Yea she is willing, but she's not entirely conscious of what she's doing, so do you think she's entirely willing if she's not conscious of it? You mentioned by "authority", what about perceived authority? What would you call "authority"?

I haven't actually witnessed any of this but I don't doubt it's happened before, and I've heard many stories. Enough to traumatize me. But it's all fun and games to most people in this ass backwards society.

I dont know.. it's just complicated. Forgive me if I dont know what I"m talking about. I'm not really the type to really know about all these social issues.

I guess I'm also against promiscuity as well, or I prefer it not. I'm not christian either.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by The Quiet Storm]



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 05:37 PM
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Sweeping a woman off her feet is nothing more than being a real man and doing romantic things while being yourself. It involves nothing about taking a girl/woman and placing her in a sexual situation. Truly sweeping a woman off her feet is about romance not sex.


Anyone who gets any realistic ideas of sex from porn has more issues to deal with than fanisies. Sorry porn is porn it has nothing to do with reality and relations between a man and a woman. Maybe that is the problem with society then. Do you think that a majority are getting realistic ideas from porn?

I have to say if that is the case we are truly a screwed society and I feel very sorry for both the female and male youth of today.


Edit to add:
By the way to answer your last uestions no real man ever pressures a women/girl to have sex or be in a sexual situation until they are ready.

Any one that tells you different is nothing but a controling fool with no sense of thought for anothers feelings.


Raist


[edit on 5/16/10 by Raist]



posted on May, 16 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
reply to post by dalan.
 


Actually, the video I was reffering to IS stupidity.

A drunk 17 year old and 44 year old gay man dancing?

You're right, that's intelligent media.

Peace


Logical Fallacies

Attacking her ridiculous show is one thing, but attacking what someone does in their private life is an entirely different matter. It goes from being genuinely concerned over the matter of socialization, to being the annoying neighbor peeping out of their blinds to see what is going on next door; but that's what an AR-15 is for.

Thought-Police anyone?

Here's an idea:

Mind Your Own Business



Her lap dance happened at a private party.

If her Father had no problem with it then your opinion is irrelevant. I mean, thank God that this is a republic and not a democracy where the majority of people like you could actually get away with running around policing everyone's behavior...

By all means though, if you feel like you have the authority to do something about, then pounce tiger.

Oh wait.

You can't.



[edit on 5/16/2010 by dalan.]




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