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"They come here for a better life" and "Jobs Americans Won't Do"

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posted on May, 15 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Originally posted by SpectreDC


So you acknowledge the problem exists with the corporations, businesses and the government who facilitates the problems and yet you can't make the connection that the issue won't be solved until you deal with these entities, which in part will do more than anything else you have suggested doing with fixing the issue.

Please, you're a joke. It's really pathetic how apathetic you are.


Perhaps you have not read my responses in other threads of this type. I do believe that companies who hire illegals are the biggest problem in the mess.

All I asked for, was a list of companies that do. So, your reply is what it is, a personal slam, and not needed.

Identify these companies, or SHUT UP!


You want me to identify the issue when the issue is obfuscated by these very companies and corporations because they in large part have strong pull within the government which further facilitates the issue, making impossible to identifing who is doing it specifically.

Well hey, I guess we should just keep screaming at illegals then. That'll solve the issue. Good job




posted on May, 15 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by SpectreDC

Or the war on drugs. Or the corporations who facilitate illegals. Or the government who gains more from using illegals.

But no. Since faux noose tells us to yell at the illegals, we should just yell at the illegals. THAT'LL FIX ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS GUYS!


Make up your G-damn mind already. Is it wrong that people want illegals out...........now?

If you think the entire problem is with the government, and companies you cannot list, or are refusing to list, then possibly you need to move to where all the illegal immigrants come from.

And by the way...........what are you personally doing about the problem?



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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reply to post by jam321
 


I agree in the issues of government and businesses but when it comes to the economic improving I disagree, see when America was looking prosper during the 90s immigration was ignored, you are right when is financial prosperity it doesn't matter, but this time the financial situation is different, this time it started with the US and it has taken two years to spread globally, what is started here it will end here.

America economy is nothing but a dream prop by the ability to print money and sell debt at the expenses of the tax payer for generations to come, now is a bonus the rich and wealthy have the backing of our government to be bailed out also.

Life in our nation is about to take a nose dive and is not for the better.

Wait when the HCR hit the tax payer pockets and as unemployment keeps growing and the downgrade of wages keeps going.

As long as people keep getting their SS and welfare checks in the mail in time they will just ignore the facts.

[edit on 15-5-2010 by marg6043]



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by SpectreDC



Well hey, I guess we should just keep screaming at illegals then. That'll solve the issue. Good job


Well, they don't understand me, screaming in English, now do they?

Your point is, you just want to ignore all the screaming, and let it continue, yet, I asked you to prove, or point out, what companies hire illegals, and which government agencies actually approve of them.

You can't do it.

So, if that is your complaint, government, and companies..........what are you doing about it?

Making snide comments, sitting behind a computer aren't working for you, either.

Come a day, you have to decide, if you stand behind your country, and family in this whole ordeal, by way of a vote, or something worse. Go buy a lot in a foreign country to live on. See what kind of rights you will get, there!



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Originally posted by SpectreDC

Or the war on drugs. Or the corporations who facilitate illegals. Or the government who gains more from using illegals.

But no. Since faux noose tells us to yell at the illegals, we should just yell at the illegals. THAT'LL FIX ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS GUYS!



Make up your G-damn mind already. Is it wrong that people want illegals out...........now?


I've been plenty consistent with my message, which is that the people who cause the problem should be dealt with to make the problem go away. I know, cause and effect. Logic. It's hard for you to use. Don't worry, you won't do anything anyways.


If you think the entire problem is with the government, and companies you cannot list, or are refusing to list, then possibly you need to move to where all the illegal immigrants come from.


Congratulations on making absolutely no sense what so ever. So because I can see the problem lies with the government and corporations who facilitate and obfuscate the issue, I should leave. Okay then. Again, brilliant logic.


And by the way...........what are you personally doing about the problem?


I support local businesses. I don't buy anything from any big names. I buy from local farms and get my meat and dairy from local ranches. I don't go to Walmart, or K-mart, or any superstore. Most of what I buy is made in the US.

I'm politically active and also spread awareness of the actual issue. I don't blame the scapegoat, I blame those that create the scapegoat to get away from blame. From my college political clubs to local groups and tea party meetings.

But most of all, I make people think around me. I don't remain apathetic. I don't blindly follow what the media tells me to do and what they tell me the issue is.

That's what I do, what do you do besides yell at brown people from my computer chair?



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Originally posted by SpectreDC



Well hey, I guess we should just keep screaming at illegals then. That'll solve the issue. Good job


Well, they don't understand me, screaming in English, now do they?

Your point is, you just want to ignore all the screaming, and let it continue, yet, I asked you to prove, or point out, what companies hire illegals, and which government agencies actually approve of them.

You can't do it.

So, if that is your complaint, government, and companies..........what are you doing about it?

Making snide comments, sitting behind a computer aren't working for you, either.

Come a day, you have to decide, if you stand behind your country, and family in this whole ordeal, by way of a vote, or something worse. Go buy a lot in a foreign country to live on. See what kind of rights you will get, there!



Good to see another apathetic pathetic racist American. Brings a tear to my eye.

It appears your content being racist and just yelling at brown people, since you don't want to actually deal with the issue I'll be on my way where people aren't as pathetic.



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by SpectreDC


Good to see another apathetic pathetic racist American. Brings a tear to my eye.


I am anti-idiot. Does that mean I am racist?


It appears your content being racist and just yelling at brown people, since you don't want to actually deal with the issue I'll be on my way where people aren't as pathetic.


I don't have an issue with brown people. I have an issue with illegals. Don't put words in my mouth.

[edit on 15-5-2010 by Blanca Rose] for quote fixing

[edit on 15-5-2010 by Blanca Rose]



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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Immigration only bring Poverty and lower standards of living for Americans all over the nation.



So you are an elitist?

We who are already American citizens are somehow a privledged bunch and we should limit those who can enjoy our same privledges?


Sorry...none of us are that important.


same privledges???
Surely you jest! The illegals are catered to and getting opportunities and benefits that we are not. You know this. How you can you call us elitist? You make no sense. You speak lies.

Illegals do lower standards of living. They lower wages, they replace us in the job market, etc. Also we don't want to live with gaffiti and trash in our neighborhoods, lack of respect for other people's property, violence etc. I don't live like that.



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher


Wow...you are pretty much just a disgusting human being.


Oh, my God.........you did not type that!

Listen here, pal, Marge is nothing but honest and forthright in her opinions based on her heritage, and what it took for herself or family to beome citizens of the US.

With all your propoganda about hispanics being targeted, you are reading from her, words out of the horses mouth.

You are insulting a person, which you have chosen to protect, under your slanted views. WAY to GO!

Personal insults of this nature, with what you said, only go to show what a complete jerk you are. Yeah, I said it, you're a jerk! I am more than willing to take a point reduction in letting you know, what an idiot you are!

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I find you far worse than disgusting...........go figure out what that is!
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[edit on 15-5-2010 by Blanca Rose]



Yeah...I did type that.

She is not being honest or forthright...she is spreading lies and propaganda and using her "Latina" heritage to pretend she is more of an authority on this than others.

She is an elitist...and to me that is disgusting. It just makes it worse that she is willing to spread propaganda which have made up information that has no truth to them.

She doesn't even try to deny it or defend the sources she is putting on here...because she knows her "sources" have no facts behind them.

I am defedning people who are trying to feed their families and looking for a better life...regardless of their color...she is treating people like resources...and if they don't meet her standards then they are not worty to share the same country and rights as she does.

I'd rather be viewed as a jerk defending the basic human rights of people than as an elitist that thinks I am special.



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 02:08 PM
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I think every legal family should get 400 000 dollars a year if Illegals break the law but we cant by coming here not legal.

I know a lot of people has been asking me when i will talk about what couses the small earthquack of 3.0 that people felt around Las Angeles today ..Bottom line . Lots going on . I have no time to make a topic on new stuff now. I am working on my x box



[edit on 15-5-2010 by AndersonLee]



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by Night Star
The illegals are catered to and getting opportunities and benefits that we are not.


Care to give an example of the catering and benefits you speak of cause I have known many illegals and I don't recall them being pampered.



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 02:11 PM
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Surely you jest! The illegals are catered to and getting opportunities and benefits that we are not.


Prove it. I'm sick of this piece of propaganda as well.

Show me proof that illegals all get free stuff and live the life of luxury.



Illegals do lower standards of living. They lower wages, they replace us in the job market, etc. Also we don't want to live with gaffiti and trash in our neighborhoods, lack of respect for other people's property, violence etc. I don't live like that.


And you have proof all of these are caused by illegal immigrants???



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher


Yeah...I did type that.

She is not being honest or forthright...she is spreading lies and propaganda and using her "Latina" heritage to pretend she is more of an authority on this than others.


Okay, so, if you are more of an authority, can you prove it? I mean, why should we just drop everything, and believe you?


She is an elitist...and to me that is disgusting. It just makes it worse that she is willing to spread propaganda which have made up information that has no truth to them.


I suppose you looked up the definition of elitist, before you typed this, right?


She doesn't even try to deny it or defend the sources she is putting on here...because she knows her "sources" have no facts behind them.


And your sources are verifiable? I don't mean to offend you, and I may have missed it, as this thread is long, but do you have sources? I don't have any for myself, I am merely an American citizen with an opinion. What do you have?


I am defedning people who are trying to feed their families and looking for a better life...regardless of their color...she is treating people like resources...and if they don't meet her standards then they are not worty to share the same country and rights as she does.


But why, aren't they doing something about this, in their own coutry? Why do they need to come here, to do something they should be doing at home? This is not the home of an illegal.


I'd rather be viewed as a jerk defending the basic human rights of people than as an elitist that thinks I am special.


Like I said earlier, feel free to hand out your house keys, put them up in the hospital when needed, on your dime, hire them, fire them, pay them wages if you want to........I am an American citizen, and I'd rather pay for my own citizens first, thank, You!



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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15-20 years ago, the people profiting the most BECAUSE of illegal aliens in California, weren't saying a damn word. So who was profiting? Everyone was involved, whether directly or indirectly. But the BIGGEST blame lies with businesses that hired illegals to save the bottom line. Construction is one of the biggest offenders. I watched all the high fallutin Caucasian general contractors hiring illegals & immigrant of Mexican & Asian descent, paying them 50% LESS than what other skilled tradesman were getting paid. Not only that, I watched them do the work fast, efficient, without complaint, with far less instances of injury requiring worker's comp cases, and basically with more gratitude. Soon enough the industry was over-run with people that would do the work for less. Not only that, "Pablo", that started out illegal, paid $7 an hour under the table, is NOW legal, and the contractor that Mr. White had to bid against. The economics and the politics of the situation with illegals and too many immigrants goes far deeper than most people can even begin to comprehend. Oh now that the economy has crashed and "Americans" are out of work, and there's so little work many are SUDDENLY willing to do the CRAP they would only complain about, or refuse to do, the jobs they would come in stoned to everyday, the jobs they did half-a$$ed because the pay was unfair anyway, NOW they are complaining.
I've watched closely what has happened in the construction industry & other industries for over 20 years...PAYBACK is a female dog...I think it's funny. If I had more time right now, I could say a lot more.



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 02:49 PM
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yeah, and more disgustingly is that I know Americans who get by not claiming taxes, too........people who draw dissability, but yet, can manage quite well putting a new roof on your home, if needed. I have reported them, and will continue to, if I see it.

The whole thing is a mess.

Really, everything needs and overhaul.

Let's start with one thing, and then move on to another.

People who rip off people, illegal, or not.....it's time to put an end to it.

And, it has nothing to do with race, religion, or whatever. People can be equally sneaky when it comes to benefitting themselves.



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 02:49 PM
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You're just neglecting the fact that even though they are (or might be) breaking immigration laws they aren't robbing anything when they accept a job offer. So the ones that are really screwing the country are not the illegals but the Americans and companies that employ them and by doing so help to spread even further the idea that there is a place for every single illegal.

And believe it or not people only migrate to places that give them opportunities. So if the US hadn't invested so much for so long into selling to the world the so called "American Dream" and "Land of Opportunities" fallacies such problem would certainly be way smaller than what it currently is.

All this stuff was doomed to happen at some point. It just went unnoticed for this long because it didn't affect a bigger share of the low income population and allowed the economy to grow. So up until recently was simply convenient or indifferent to have them, now that some Americans are facing unemployment and want those crappy cheap jobs that most illegals have and the economy needs to shrink to be able to survive they became a annoyance and everybody started to scream.

This immigration problem is something that has been happening since ever as far as I know. At least I can assure you that has been a ongoing neglected growing problem for the past 30 years.

And now all of the sudden every single person that has been either mute or blind for the past 30 years decided to scream and play radicals, thinking that a old problem like that will be solved within a year. Just ludicrous.

This isn't something that will get fixed so easily nor so soon. And certainly won't be solved by using discrimination or extremist measures. In fact these last two will only make things worst since once you marginalize a population you cut their means of surviving on a functional society thus you raise a whole lot of other problems that with time become even harder to control, damaging the economy way more.



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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nothing will change unless, new policies would need to be enforced, better management of border protection and governmental control changes to industries and sectors where these issues occur.

it's not about removing the ones who are already inside the borders, it's about stopping more from entering as a whole.

reglatories must find and give those who want to stay, verifiable citizenships, make them pay the taxes, stop the pay under table employers and enforce a fair wage system for all businesses and companies to comply by.

america has already been overrun and taken over, there's no changing that.

implanting of microchips could well be a viable solution as a last resort for total control measures to verifing a persons validity of status, but could have a detrimental backlash for those who refuse.
a war within it's own borders is all that's in store for anyway you wish to look at it.


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posted on May, 15 2010 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by paranoiaFTW
Sure, lets get rid of illegals. Now, who wants to crawl down in sewer to clear a backup of feces?


I'm sure there's plenty of American's who would. Don't be so ignorant and short sighted.

[edit on 15-5-2010 by Snarf]



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Snarf

Originally posted by paranoiaFTW
Sure, lets get rid of illegals. Now, who wants to crawl down in sewer to clear a backup of feces?


I'm sure there's plenty of American's who would. Don't be so ignorant and short sighted.

[edit on 15-5-2010 by Snarf]


*grabs a dictionary*

Yup, this is irony.



posted on May, 15 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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I'm not saying illegal immigrants are good for a country, but this thread scares me in what's been opt as solutions lol...



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