Who do you blame?

After being a consistent member of ATS for the last year and a half, I've taken a step back....not only to ease my mind...but to try to come to some understanding of what is happening...not only to our country, but the world in general.

You can read thread after thread here, post after post, and everyone has someone to blame.

Who do you blame for what is happening?

Is it Obama? The government? The corporations? The people? The poor on welfare? The rich? The progressives? The Conservative? The Socialists? The Capitalists? The Military? The Jihadists? The terrorists? The politicians? The illegal immigrants? The Jews? The Russians? The Chinese? The Federal Reserve? Bush? Cheney? Israel? Iran? Iraq? Afghanistan?

As you can see, most of all of us are looking for a bad guy. After all, there has to be someone to blame right?

Who is your bad guy? I keep looking at all the arguments from every side...but I can never pinpoint a person(s) to blame.

So what is it? Where are we headed? Who will feel the ultimate wrath of what is happening today?

Who is your enemy?

That is the problem with most of America and the world for that matter. It is just a lot easier to blame than to confront and solve the problem.

Is blaming going to fix things? Is blaming going to change the present?

We are were we are and the only thing that matters is that we address the issue so we can move forward.

I admit that sometimes I am among those who blame others, but that is usually out of frustration. I for one rather start seeing issues resolved in a fair and just manner. Would be nice to see that energy wasted in blaming and complaining to be used toward a productive outcome.

I might or might not totally like the way the issue ultimately gets resolved, but at least it finally gets taken care of.

I used to think it was only the government and the politicians and of course they do share a large part in who I blame.

But now I see that huge corporations are really running the government and the economy.

These greedy corporations I'm talking about don't care about people or the environment only the all might dollar...

So my answer is "huge multi-national greedy corporations".

We should find ways to pin-point them, rebel against them, uncover their low-life tactics publicly, and somehow also find ways to stop supporting them in any ways we can.

Originally posted by elaine
So my answer is "huge multi-national greedy corporations".

We should find ways to pin-point them, rebel against them, uncover their
low-life tactics publicly, and somehow also find ways to stop supporting
them in any ways we can.

stop using money
that will do it
take ur self out of the system
remove ur bonds and be free
get rid of the paper
and survive on ur own

if everyone did this
we could change the world

go back to the barter system
exchange an item for an item
or goods for service, vice versa

that is the path out
and nobody seems to want to
take it cuz it's too hard

the Amish and the Native Americans
can help us with this system.

and the one true enemy is

MONEY !!!
and mankind's thirst for it (Greed)

eliminate that
problem solved


[edit on 14-5-2010 by boondock-saint]

reply to post by jam321

That is the problem with most of America and the world for that matter. It is just a lot easier to blame than to confront and solve the problem. Is blaming going to fix things? Is blaming going to change the present?

I agree wholeheartedly.

I admit that sometimes I am among those who blame others, but that is usually out of frustration.

We all do Jam. I know i'm guilty of it. I've been looking for the answers...I've pointed my finger in many directions.

First it was Bush, then Obama, then the government, and now I am hell bent on the Corporations....and with that anger with Corporations...people view me as being pro-big government.

Lately, really, I've come to the realization that what is happening will not be stopped. We can't come together as a people. It's just not happening.

I find Conservatives to be completely going overboard on accusations on Obama and government...but yet I see Liberals being completely ignorant to what is happening as well. We are also seeing anti-incumbent anger...but those who will replace them will be of the same ilk.

Nothing is changing. It's all the same. I wish we could get beyond this...but we just can't seem to break the barrier. Everyone always has to draw a line in the sand...

reply to post by elaine

I used to think it was only the government and the politicians and of course they do share a large part in who I blame. But now I see that huge corporations are really running the government and the economy. These greedy corporations I'm talking about don't care about people or the environment only the all might dollar... So my answer is "huge multi-national greedy corporations".

Elaine, you to the same exact path I did....literally. Your words look so much like what I have typed in the past it's almost uncanny.

reply to post by David9176

I find Conservatives to be completely going overboard on accusations on Obama and government...but yet I see Liberals being completely ignorant to what is happening as well. We are also seeing anti-incumbent anger...but those who will replace them will be of the same ilk.

Depending on who you talk to, I am a conservative on one day and a liberal the next day.

Until Americans find a common theme where we can unite we will continue to see the same problems. We are no doubt divided and stuck in our beliefs. Neither side seems to want to give or take for a better society.

It all seems to be my way or the highway.

Whatever happened to compromising?

The blame is simple: CORRUPTION

Definition and Description: Corruption has been allowed to happen, now even to the point where they do not try to hide it anymore. Politicians are funded through "kickback" donations from those "entities" that "gain" through legislation or the lack of. The people and the people welfare are an afterthought.

Because of this corruption, these entities maneuver to acquire more power and money.

Politicians will not regulate themselves on this. They have to much to gain. Even "campaign finance" reforms in the past have been bogus as there are always loopholes left open purposely so that the corruption wheel keeps on turning.


The ONLY way to correct this (unless we suddenly elected political leaders with morals... LOL) is to draft a Bill with NO loopholes in which any "public servant" or family members are NOT allowed to personally profit during or after their terms. In other words, no sweetheart lobbyist jobs after office, No "speaking engagements" funded by a large contributor as a payoff, No job for your wife on the "board of directors" of your favorite partisan non-profit, No stocks owned during or 10 years after service (I love how politicians can profit from investments they make while writing the legislation that impacts their investments).

Corruption has driven us to the brink of bankruptcy. All of these "entities" want government handouts / subsidies and we spend a fortune on these give aways.

reply to post by infolurker


excellent post.

I have always said that the only difference between our corruption and those of other countries is that ours is written into law to make it legal.

reply to post by jam321

Depending on who you talk to, I am a conservative on one day and a liberal the next day.

I know how you feel!!! You get that because you independent minded. You are looking for a solution...not a strict ideological belief in which the country/world has to be ran to succeed.

Until Americans find a common theme where we can unite we will continue to see the same problems. We are no doubt divided and stuck in our beliefs. Neither side seems to want to give or take for a better society.

Couldn't have stated it better myself.

I've grown tired of all of it. Things don't look to be getting better any time soon either...yet no one trusts anyone and we point fingers at everyone but ourselves.

None of us are perfect....we all have our faults. We just have to find a way to get beyond them. I don't think we can.

I blame us for putting up with this crap, for buying crap that undermines our neighbors,
really I can go on til the break of dawn...

We keep electing these people who are "successful" but have the scruples and honor
of Charlie Manson, WHY?

I think we are generally screwed, we all might as well live our lives and shape what we
we can in front of us. I am tired of the arguments that bend the farbic of reality, I am tired of solutions that are contrary to logic, birth certificates, don't cha knows, charts and all the stuff under the sun...

I am going to take my advice and go live, have me some beer and piss on a wall for fun

Blame?

Complacency
Sloth
Greed


Us, them, me, everyone

reply to post by David9176


I'm the same way David. I've been called a "treehugger" sometimes by Conservatives and then sometimes a "Nazi" by Liberals.

reply to post by infolurker

The ONLY way to correct this (unless we suddenly elected political leaders with morals... LOL) is to draft a Bill with NO loopholes in which any "public servant" or family members are NOT allowed to personally profit during or after their terms. In other words, no sweetheart lobbyist jobs after office, No "speaking engagements" funded by a large contributor as a payoff, No job for your wife on the "board of directors" of your favorite partisan non-profit, No stocks owned during or 10 years after service (I love how politicians can profit from investments they make while writing the legislation that impacts their investments).

And that, my friend, is Campaign Finance Reform which I'm a huge advocate of...but how does it get done?

Lobbyists flood Congressional offices...yes...but politicians also call corporations and other special interests for campaign funds. Ending this will be extremely difficult because to get to that point you have to beat the very beast that is fighting against you.

I've just become increasingly frustrated with all of it...to the point where I've given up.

How do we win when we can't agree on what ails us?

I guess that's the million dollar question, who's responsible for the corruption and decimation of our society?

I guess one can blame their fellow men, but I also learn towards corporations and their control of the media, the politicians, child slavery, etc... I've read about a law that was recently passed which stated that corporations can now supply any amount of money towards any presidential candidate that they want. From my understanding, this means that the individual who receives the most money will most likely win the election, now that's out of our hands now as well. So, I think corporations are the big culprits, if you will.

I think the best solution would be to boycott their products. For example, let's pick Coca Cola, we need to stop buying their products to let them know that they are not in control, that we the people still have the power to make you go bankrupt if you abuse your power.

Maybe that's just wishful thinking, but who knows maybe things will get better.

I blame the French.



Just because.


Nah im kidding, i think greedy people are to blame, mainly greedy banker type people

Tale of the Apathetic Man.
--------------------------

Who is to blame?

Myself.

I stood quietly by as they stripped the rights bequeth to me by my forefathers in blood.

I stood quietly by, filled with toys and goodies, as they robbed others and enriched themselves.

I stood quietly by, and even condemn others who courageously fought against the masters for their greed.

I stood quietly by, while they twist my religion to serve themselves and not for humanity.

I stood quietly by, educated but refuse to question insane laws and hidden agendas, for the sake of my security.

I stood quietly by, and deserve the chains around my neck with a gag around my mouth blinkers over my eyes.

Pass me the crumbs please. This is my lot and the life I chosed. By my apathy, I had denied fellowship of my fellow brethens for change to happen, and had doomed mankind to the rapacious.

May the Almighty have mercy on us all...

reply to post by Lady_Tuatha

mainly greedy banker type people

How did i NOT manage to get gigantic financial bankers in my OP??? Or Wall Street?

Massive brain fart on my part.

This is too open a question. Who to blame, depends on what the problem is. In another thread I just brought up who I thought the enemy was.

To really get down to effective measures though, you have to define the parameter, in this case, 'who are the enemy?'

I would say they are as follows:
1. A growing, regulator, overspending government.
2. Corporate control/Lobbiest
3. NWO groups (Bilderbergs, Trilateral commission, Council on Foreign Relations, SPP)
4. Illegal aliens
5. Legal racial or cultural separatist (i.e. La Raza, KKK, Black Panthers)
6. Anti-freedom/anti-self-governing political parties (socialist, communist)
7. Societal Cancers (Political Correctness, Multi-culturalism, anti-heroism, deviant behavior glorification)
8. Historical revisionist

In general, it is quite often we ourselves are our own enemy and a major aspect of the problem, both from action and inaction.

The criminals. And one other source.

The criminal bankers.
The criminal multi national corporations.
The criminal government.

The lazy, irresponsible, ignorant, cry baby, and uncharitable sheople.

That is about it.

If there was a stable currency based on something of value. The bankers would be eliminated.

If government would enforce crime defined by a basic tenet, to harm another or to infringe on other's rights the criminal corporations would be eliminated.

If the criminal government, kept their thieving hands out of my labor and off of my other property this would be eliminated.

If the sheople grew up, educated themselves, did some work, grew a back bone and were charitable, this would be eliminated.

That about does it for this rant.

Anything else you want me to solve?