Western Women's right [THE TRUTH]

Originally posted by orangetom1999

More women should know how to take care of themselves and their families..not depend on the government to do it for them. Same thing with the men. They should work together as a unit..to do so.

You will find that such criminal behavior will drop off quickly when this happens.

People working in units ? Aren't people already doing that ?? In Australia we call these groups gangs or thugs ? Your philosophy is an eye for an eye but often this kind of mentality leads to revenge killings and gangland wars etc ? What about the innocent victims that get caught up in the crossfire ? Hmmmm

Around here many years ago..there was a rash of women being assaulted in the parking lot of a 24 hour grocery store. They were being beaten and their purses/monies/goods stolen. The local police either did not take it seriously or did not want to spend the dollars or manpower to watch over this parking lot. Nor did the owners of this store chain. The perpetrators found these women very easy marks........until one of them ran across a woman who was a competition shooter. When the perp tried to rob her..she pulled out her competition .45 ACP and shot him in the leg. When he went down she shot him between the eyes.

They officials were going to prosecute her for murder until the public outcry became so outraged over the inability of the police/politicians to handle this crime wave..for so long. This became big local news.
The robbery/assault rate dropped to zero..overnight. One woman accomplished what all the politicians and police could not do for over a year. They dropped the charges.

The victims were beaten and had items stolen but I am assuming they all survived ? So she shot the perpetrator in the leg - incapacitating him / her and then without hesitation continued on and shot him / her in the head ? Were there any witnesses / cameras in the area ? I don't have much faith in human nature or people's ability to control their emotions and to be quite honest it just makes my blood run cold contemplating what it must be like living in a city where every second or third person is carrying a gun ??

reply to post by orangetom1999

"In this case the woman was indeed a competition shooter. Does this mean that she should pay some kind of premium to put ointment on the "Victimization" of those who will not take the responsibility of defending or standing up for themselves?"

SShe was a competition shooter who frankly was fortunate as her skills led for a happy ending. I am very glad for her. I have shot pistols and know for a fact that hitting a moving target (s) of more than 30 ft away can be difficult IN COMBAT CONDITIONS.

What would you have written if it was an unsuccessful outcome. Too bad??

How about if she missed with the first shot and it killed a kid across the street???? Would it be too bad?

I say there are attitudes in men that lead to these manifestations of oppression for women. Some women do some dumb things but we must look at our male conduct. Can you not see how an agressor can work around a gun. Suppose if they start shooting first at women or tasering them randomly. Most people do not walk around with their guns drawn. Is that your solution?

So it takes say what 1000hrs to be an entry level competent competition shooter. Who has the time / inclination to do this? Should everyone do this or should we leave it to humanity to develop some decenc? Do you own a gun shop perchance.

So she blows away these creeps hooray and then has a mental collapse is this great?? There is a thread on ATS about military suicides> If the army trains killers who then kill themselves what about civilians??

I have served my countries and respect the military and I am not disrespecting anyone here but I don’t believe the competition shooting concealed weapon scenario is the answer to all issues.

Behind all of this is this issue of victim rights or whatever

Does this imply that the rest of us should do the same ..pay a steep price for these woman who feel mal aligned??


It seems to be a more than feeling maligned or even a broken finger nail.

Anyway. You have female relatives, and women who you love.....

Think it through. I wish you well but I hope that fate does not teach you a lesson.

I am not a feminist man and I don't think I have liked femeinists but this is an issue of human rights. Yes I have female relatives and women that I love.

post some facts from africa, darfur, or even canada and then tell me what your point is exactly?


we arent all perfect but unlike alot of others we do whatever we can whenever we can to help stop and prevent these crimes

reply to post by destiny-fate


destiny-fate,

People working in units ? Aren't people already doing that ?? In Australia we call these groups gangs or thugs ? Your philosophy is an eye for an eye but often this kind of mentality leads to revenge killings and gangland wars etc ? What about the innocent victims that get caught up in the crossfire ? Mmm

Please tell me that you did not go to the same public school system as did Ozzy's?? Majoring in emotions??

Around here we call people working in units..together ...we call them families...or even neighbors.

I am not proposing an eye for an eye. I am saying that when government does not work or is ineffective ..people have ways of solving the problem for themselves.

What about the innocent victims that get caught up in the crossfire ? Mmm

No one got caught up in the crossfire here. What are you talking about or are you just as fear mongering as does Ooyism'??

Were there any witnesses / cameras in the area ? I don't have much faith in human nature or people's ability to control their emotions and to be quite honest it just makes my blood run cold contemplating what it must be like living in a city where every second or third person is carrying a gun ??

This was over 30 years ago and there were no cameras back then.
Everywhere in this country where concealed and open carry are allowed..like in this state..crime has dropped. Particularly assaults, robberies and rapes. What are you thinking here.

In this state we can carry concealed and open both. I carried concealed today when going out.

Tiger5,

I have shot pistols and know for a fact that hitting a moving target (s) of more than 30 ft away can be difficult IN COMBAT CONDITIONS.

You are quite correct in the above quote. Hitting a moving target at any distance can be difficult but as a rule..the further away the more difficult.
However..I do not believe this target was very far away from her as he was going after her goodies or purse/monies. This individual just picked the wrong target.

What would you have written if it was an unsuccessful outcome. Too bad??

This did not happen in this case so this point is moot.

There was another instance like this about one or two years ago..here out west where a woman..some 70 or 80 years old..a former Miss America in the 1940s came out of her barn and confronted someone loading up their vehicle with her goods from her house. She pulled out her gun without hesitation and shot the tires out of the vehicle. The perp took off and ran down the road. Now this was a crusty salty old woman. I salute her as well and state we need more of this type as well. She refused to be a victim even at her age.

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How about if she missed with the first shot and it killed a kid across the street???? Would it be too bad?

Moot point. It did not happen in either case. Everywhere concealed or open carry both are allowed..crime has dropped. Apparently two legged wildlife fear the armed public more than they fear the local constabulary.

but I don’t believe the competition shooting concealed weapon scenario is the answer to all issues.

I never said or make any such claim that shooting someone is the answer to all issues. Where from are you getting this conclusion...Drama?? Television?? Movies??

I am not a feminist man and I don't think I have liked femeinists but this is an issue of human rights. Yes I have female relatives and women that I love.

I am not a feminist man as well. No use for it. Nor for much of what passes for male today.
This is a issue of decency and individual rights in the ability of people to be left to conduct their own business..private business uninterrupted and to handle their private properties..including their persons/personal safety.
I too have people for whom I love and take certain responsibilities..including elderly parents.

I have taught a number of females to shoot. Whether they take the responsibility to arm and defend themselves is up to them. It is their individual decision. They have been taught. I do not make this decision for them. They are free to choose how they conduct their affairs...including the "Victim Card."

Thanks to all for their posts,
Orangetom