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posted on May, 14 2010 @ 07:28 PM
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reply to post by HalfAWorldAway
 


Oh yeah, so you're using the old "they just want a better life for themselves" canard huh?


Tell that to a bank robber or a car theif

"Officer...I just robbed that bank because I wanted a better life...honestly"

"Officer...we all should have cars...we're all human after all....I just took his car because I feel I needed it more than him"


Yeah, you're right. Screw property and resources. Screw ownership. Screw it all huh? After all...nobody should 'own' anything and the resources WE PAY FOR should just be given to anyone who wants it just a tad more.....huh?


Unbelievable. What...did the Anarchists and the Red Shirt brigade catch wind of ATS?




posted on May, 14 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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There are a lot of countries that have issues. Doesn't mean that we can open doors to every ethnic group that is unhappy with their status.
Then we would have to take in 20 million Burmese, Chinese, Russians,Nigerians,Indonesians, Indians,Argentinians,Congolese,Ugandans, Cambodians,Somalians,Peruvians,Haitians. Well, you get the point.

It could get very crowded.

So does that mean now that your family is successful, that you will step aside to let another refugee have a chance?



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 07:33 PM
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"Jobs Americans won't do"???

The funniest load of CRAP I've ever heard.


I have never said Americans won't do them.

First, employers are the ones who hired. No if, thens, and buts that employers are to blame. Employers don't hire them and they won't be here.

Second, how many of these industries you mentioned have been boycotted by those who are against illegal immigration?

Seems people are more interested in watching their football on digital cable/satellite rather than to protest the employers who hire illegals.

Admit, Americans are just as much to blame as the government, employers, and illegals.

Once again, illegals will leave if they can't find a job. Yet, many rather throw their hatred toward illegals than to get the issue solved.

How many of these businesses have you boycotted?



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by Prove_It_NOW
If you engage, allow, condone, permit, enact, favor....the infiltration of a culture, by a foreign culture....you are engaging in GENOCIDE.


This will be my last comment on this thread. Have you ever gone to NY, Chicago?? Believe me, you are so wrong. The cultural mixture always ENRICHES a society it does not generate a GENOCIDE.

And people, once again, just read the first name of the country, UNITED States of America (or as it once known as the union of the immigrant colonies from the old world, Did you know they travel to the other side of the world to seek for a better future for them and for their families? Not to invade a country).

Respect all nations, respects all races, respect all beliefs. My different skin, my different language, my different god, my different flag, does not make me a different being at the end we are all just humans trying to do our best while we are alive.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by Clisen33
reply to post by uglybattle
 


Can you educate me how they cannot become citizens, after living here for 15 years? As far as I know you need 2 forms of identification in order to get a social security card.

Oh and so you know, I am Mexican. I say illegal Mexicans because that is the dominate ethnic group coming in illegally.

My grandmother and grandfather came into the states from Monterrey Mexico, legally. They got their citizenship and have been living great since then. My immediate family all hold respectable jobs in the medical, IT, and insurance fields. Why can't they do that?


Well, as they have told me, they have tried getting a legal status, but have failed repeatidly. A family member hired a lawyer to get his legal status, but the lawyer apperently 'lost' his work so he couldn't get his privileges.

After the incident, the immigration service contacted the 'illegal' and he is now protected by law, that he can not be taken away back to Mexico. They will only do so if he or one of his closest family member commits an act that is illegal by law. I am still dazed by how he can not get his legal status, even if he is protected by law from the immigration service.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by Prove_It_NOW
reply to post by HalfAWorldAway
 


Oh yeah, so you're using the old "they just want a better life for themselves" canard huh?


Tell that to a bank robber or a car theif

"Officer...I just robbed that bank because I wanted a better life...honestly"

"Officer...we all should have cars...we're all human after all....I just took his car because I feel I needed it more than him"


Yeah, you're right. Screw property and resources. Screw ownership. Screw it all huh? After all...nobody should 'own' anything and the resources WE PAY FOR should just be given to anyone who wants it just a tad more.....huh?


Unbelievable. What...did the Anarchists and the Red Shirt brigade catch wind of ATS?



No my friend you are getting it all wrong. I cant agree more with you. But, are they all bank robbers? and criminals? Think again when you go to the mall, to the supper market or when you go for dinner. They will all treat you with the respect you deserve and with the respect they want to have in return.

And yes, bank robbers should be put behind the bars.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by wolfwood290
reply to post by l neXus l
 


OMG, I could not agree with you more. I am graduating this month on Sunday and have been tirelessly applying for jobs online. Thus far I have applied to at least 50 entry-level jobs and I have only received 1 group interview. This is just not fair, because I spent the last 23 years of my life studying for a college education only to arrive at a dying job market. How am I going to pay back my $30k in loans? The economy really is horrible. I can't believe how I could work so hard in school only to find myself facing unemployment. It just pisses me off.




what are you going to graduate for that a poor uneducated mexicans are taking your job hahahahaha

[edit on 14-5-2010 by Gloster]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 07:43 PM
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..I agree with going after the businesses.

But you're pretending that the 'politically correct' answer is to rest the blame solely on the crime PROVIDER.. No no no. There are multiple parties involved in this racket.

Corporations, Lobbyists, Action Groups. Lawyers, Politicians....and Illegals.

I'll speak out against ALL OF THEM...Illegals (the criminals themselves) included..thank you very much.

And you ask if I have boycotted these industries?

How the hell can I? It's everywhere I go and live in Los Angeles. Are you out of reality? If I boycotted every industry here that hires Illegals...I wouldn't FRIGGIN EAT. I couldn't have any type of living at ALL. Are you nuts?

What do you not get about the fact that Illegal Immigration is propping up, if not , CREATING whole local economies????




[edit on 14-5-2010 by Prove_It_NOW]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by HalfAWorldAway

Originally posted by Prove_It_NOW
If you engage, allow, condone, permit, enact, favor....the infiltration of a culture, by a foreign culture....you are engaging in GENOCIDE.


This will be my last comment on this thread. Have you ever gone to NY, Chicago?? Believe me, you are so wrong. The cultural mixture always ENRICHES a society it does not generate a GENOCIDE.

And people, once again, just read the first name of the country, UNITED States of America (or as it once known as the union of the immigrant colonies from the old world, Did you know they travel to the other side of the world to seek for a better future for them and for their families? Not to invade a country).

Respect all nations, respects all races, respect all beliefs. My different skin, my different language, my different god, my different flag, does not make me a different being at the end we are all just humans trying to do our best while we are alive.


No, I do NOT have to respect you because you are "human". Respect is earned. And NORTH America does not have to give you our collective resources BECAUSE you are 'just another human'. Illegals have NO RIGHT to other peoples collective resources because they are 'seeking a better life". No way...no how.

And cultural differences CAN enrich a society. Too bad that this is about Illegal Immigration and not cultural heritage. Another strawman from you.

I do respect all nations, so respect ours by NOT INVADING.

I do respect races....what makes you think this is about RACE again?

Beliefs? You are entitled to beliefs...

Your God, your flag? WTF? This is about Illegal Immigration.


All this "can't we just all get along" crap doesn't answer the question or solve problems. It all sounds good at campfires (and Socialist rallies) but it doesn't apply to the LAW. You're bringing so many Straw Man arguments in this that you have completely lost the point.

Done with your ignorance.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 07:57 PM
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You see that is totally different from what this thread is about. They are pretty much citizens in that sense and can obviously communicate with other people and have tried for citizenship. IF the illegals we're talking about were like the people you know, we wouldn't be having these problems. Unfortunately the majority don't care and prefer the subculture they create.


Edit to add: My wife and I went to a Mexican restruant and were not immediately because she is 'white'. Only after I started speaking Spanish were we waited on. Turns out most of them are illegals.

[edit on 14-5-2010 by Clisen33]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 08:01 PM
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You think America is bad? I live in Ireland and we are getting invaded BIG TIME!

Half of County Donegal is Asian, I walked down an old Irish town in my own country and I seen like 3 Irish people, the entire village was basically Asian. Im not racist, but its terrible seeing my lovely green country being turned into a concrete jungle, full of houses no more wildlife!

Not to mention, all the Romanians and Polish people that take all the jobs here, they send the money they earn back to their country, which means the Northern Ireland economy is not being stimulated, instead its being depleted because the money is not circulating inside the country any more. Then we have our fellow brothers in the Republic of Ireland coming up here and buying all our products because its cheaper, making it difficult to get a bargin deal anywhere now. Then the business here in Northern Ireland think people are buying therefore the prices of the products go up nationwide because they think the market is flush! NOOO ITS NOT!!

I want Northern Ireland to have its own freedom, like Switzerland.

Now the Tories are in Government and we the poor people are all screwed now. They are going to make the poor poorer and the rich richer, just like China!!!! OMG It feels like China and Donegal looks like China WTF!

Dont you just feel like leaving this planet!!? I hate the monetary system it divides people and makes people feel racist when they are not. Just get the hell out of my country and let me get a job and feed my family, you go back to your country and get a job there and feed your family.


Oh yeah and the Polish people here own like 40 car washes across County Antrim where you get your car washed they charge you nearly nothing and if you press a ten pound note at the window then the Polish car washing company will supply you with 1 ILLEGAL prostitute for 10mins. Its bloody ridiculous and I want my country back the way it was before the immigration and before the troubles...You cant go anywhere these days to get some bloody peace and quiet ehh?


By the way, the Nigerians RUN Dublin now, not the IRA not the other paramilitaries, its the Nigerians and the Triads. This is IRELAND NOT SOME HOLLYWOOD METROPOLIS JUNGLE FUTURE WARLORD LAND! ...Where is my green green grass and thick forests with rivers you can drink from??!

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posted on May, 14 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by Prove_It_NOW
Done with your ignorance.


its good to have a good debate. Sadly, you are an exception.
And by the way yes you need to respect everyone regardless.

welcome to the ignore list. Speak to the mirror and you will have a good opponent at your own level.

Peace and yes, deny your ignorance



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 08:03 PM
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I'm very american, and I would argue with your every point if I hadnt had this conversation 2 dozen times already.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 08:21 PM
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Isn't it ironic that they can estimate or count the number of illegals in a country, but, can't catch them?
2nd line.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Prove_It_NOW
Illegals have NO RIGHT to other peoples collective resources because they are 'seeking a better life". No way...no how.


You could "no way...no how" all you want but you don't really get to make that choice. Your government makes that choice and last I heard they're really not doing what the people want. So as the law stands that is exactly what they get.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 08:26 PM
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The O.P Has a VERY good point... LET ME ADD, THAT THESE ILLEGALS are using OUR WELFARE, Our Medicaid, As if our country born CITIZENS dont? We are in a recession for crying out loud. I think what the O.P is trying to say, is ....we dont mind the LEGAL "Aliens" Who did the proper steps to become citizens...its the ILLEGAL ones we dont like!! If you cant come into this country the right way... GET THE HELL OUT! As the original poster stated if they make 8.00 an hour 40 hours a week, at 6 million illegal immigrants, that equals 192,000,000 dollars a year that is NOT BEING TAXED TO HELP OUR SCHOOLS, ROADS, EDUCATION, and COUNTRY... What gives them that special privilege? Why should their kids be in schools they are not helping to support?!



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 09:13 PM
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We have a slightly different situation from what I understand here in Gibraltar.

A population of roughly 30 thousand (quite a few made up of postal addresses I must add), an economy practically reliant on tourism and companies here for tax breaks (pretty much all the big online gambling companies are here, well, a whole load of them), outposts of international banks, active big docks constantly servicing many ships (even subs, yeah, even yank nuke subs) and subsequently tens of thousands of employees from far a field commuting daily some from Spain and even Portugal.

All this in 2.6 Sq Miles, most of which a BIG #ING ROCK made from BILLIONS OF DEAD ANCIENT FISH AND CRUSTACEANS etc.

Yeah, we also have the tallest mosque in Europe, tail-less apes, 80 miles of secret tunnels, are hated by the Spanish (or at least think we are, well our frontier was shut for years and our water polluted) and are descended from pirates.

I understand your point of view Op.

......but...... without "illegal" aliens getting jobs from those companies that have those tax breaks and the people from all over who come and work here both above board and not we wouldn't have much of an economy.

I guess my point is Gibraltar is #ing strange now that I think about it.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 09:18 PM
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I am a Non American that trough my livelyhood have been deeply impacted by the american culture. Is just the way it always have been for me. Television shows like M*A*S*H, Dallas and Lucy Show

I saw the bombing of the murrah bulding in Oklahoma and offcourse when the plane went into the second tower.

Don't think we don't know about the immigration problem in USA. We look at America with deep sorrow because we se it will all fall because of pride and ignorance.

The fact that many false immigrants get jobs is the jobs they get. This is not a uncommon situation for any western country. We are talking about bad wages and terrible work conditions. These immigrants come from countries where its so #ty these jobs are better for them, because it gives them at least the taste of freedom.

Then lets see your country and the money spending on "saving" other countries. You helped so many countries for military grounds and because of this america has the best coverage in the world.

But yes it is terrible and painful to see how damaging this is.

BUT

If USA loves to help other countries, why not focuse on your neighbour countries such as Mexico. I mean most of the largest corporations in America already have most of the factories in Mexico like 3M.

These factories are worse. They have 18 hour shift with ONE 5 minute brake.

There is a good reason they come to your country. Your corporations is the problem. Research the corporations in Mexico and see how filty and corrupt it is



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 09:25 PM
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We all need for our own sakes to understand.
You, me, him, her no one owns this Earth.
We are here now all of us.
We can all be friends or enemies.
The challenge is how do we all get along.
How do we choose love and not hate?
By loving ourselves first.
Not being concerned or cherishing ourselves, loving ourselves.
Then we will all love one another and everything will rise into place.
This is TRUTH,nothing good comes from intolerance,from hate.
Save yourselves from lifetimes of ignorance.
We are all connected, hurt one you hurt you.
The amalgamation of Mexico and the USA could be beautiful, it really could.
Love.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by HalfAWorldAway

Originally posted by Dr Conspire
The chinese are on the move they are the ones to fear perhaps not the downtrodden mexicans.


Downtrodden mexicans?? Aussie??

instead of being above topsecret these forum should be called all about racism... gosh !!


I can see you are struggling to comprehend, downtrodden in western nations means those who are victims.
I was empathising with mexicans, and referring to the wealthy communist party sponsored chinese who are buying up Aussie real estate to house further chinese migrants(these houses are in good locations that the average aussie battler cant afford.
I believe in harmony and we need to embrace all, but also deceit needs to be identified.
The chinese are communists and are maoists I dont want to see Australia under the thumb of China.
The chinese are taking over every capital city of Australia , only a blind man cannot see this....is this good? I dont know, but it should be acknowledged, not ignored.





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