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Mark of the Beast doesn't matter anymore?

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posted on May, 16 2010 @ 03:38 PM

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by The Matrix Traveller

There a 110 different original Versions (Greek) of The Revelation of J.C.

The Version used by the Romans, in what is known as the bible today is just one of 110 different versions and has also been modified...

The Star wormwood does not relate to the Stars that most think of...

In The Revelation of J.C. Chapter 1 verse 20. is just one example...

The 7 Stars are the Angels of the 7 Assemblies..

In later English versions the word "Assemblies" was changed to "churches".

An angel is Not what people interpret today.

These Stars or Angels are 6 Pointed Stars as is the Star of DAVID which is also known as the Root of DAVID...

The Waters Mentioned, are to do with the Face of the Deep NOT the Sea.....

It never ceases to amaze me how the human species insists in Humanising the writings when in fact these Writings are Not about the Flesh but instead involves the Soul and its Workings.

By humanising the writings does not make them about the descendants of A'DAM or any Flesh. They still remain a Parable regarding the Structure and history of the Soul.

[edit on 15-5-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]

First please when you make a claim of such importance that there are so many versions provide a link to what you are claiming.

Next all the other references of wormwood are speaking of bitterness

1) wormwood

a) bitterness (metaph.)

1) wormwood

2) the name of a star which fell into the waters and made them bitter

1) water

a) of water in rivers, in fountains, in pools

b) of the water of the deluge

c) of water in any of the earth's repositories

d) of water as the primary element, out of and through which the world that was before the deluge, arose and was compacted

e) of the waves of the sea

f) fig. used of many peoples

The Wormwood of Revelation refers to a star falling into the waters which does not refer to the faces of the deep as you claim.

It never cease to amaze me how people like to change the meaning of words that have long been defined into something else to make claim to the way they live as righteous in the sight of God whose name is Jesus.

The Word of God is timeless it refers to any time in history it refers to all the aspects of the person:.......mind, body, spirit.

The problem with men is that they try to redefine words and symbols to suit their godless desires.

posted on May, 16 2010 @ 05:59 PM
reply to post by ACTS 2:38

According to "The Gospel of Thomas"... Quote; (Once again)

39. Jesus said,
“The Pharisees and the Scribes

have taken The Keys of Knowledge
and Hidden Them.

They themselves have NOT entered,
nor have they allowed to enter
those who wish to

It was Scribes that wrote and translated the writings.

This can't be denied...

It is also in the Roman collection of writings referred to as the bible today, (also available in many versions also. If you compare these you will find many subtle differences between them that have a direct influence on the Parables being told.)

Jesus said, “Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees and Hypocrites."
So here again the scribes are mentioned.

Note also; Jesus never made mention of any bible, nor any church such as the Roman church or any other denomination such as the church of England, Methodist, Presbyterian, seventh day Adventist, mormon, or for that matter, any other church on earth.

Why Not ??? He knew All in the Future.

It is mankind’s Interpretation that the waters i.e. seas and rivers relate to the Earth only... but the "Face of the Deep" has Nothing at all to do with the Earth.... except that the Heaven, the Earth and Universe exist in this Face or Plane.

There are Waters (so called) in the Heaven of Heavens that appear just like seas and rivers.

This Plane has 2 Faces... I could describe it to you as having a near Face and a Back or away Face. Any Plane whether Conceptual or Not has 2 Faces that’s a fact of Geometry.

What you experience i.e. your body, Earth and Universe appear totally different than, what it is produced by or in.

If there wasn't a place for the universe to be created in.... then there would be nowhere for the Universe or Universes to exist..

But this Place is Not what humankind expects as this place is nothing at all like your universe or any other place you can relate to by just guessing.

But anyway the Heaven referred to in Genesis Ch. 1, Verse 1 & 2, refers to what is between the 2 faces. When these were Pulled apart it Created the space for both the Universe and Earth to appear in.

The word "Firmament" means a "Support" and the Firmament was called Heaven.

Regarding the 110 Versions of the Revelation of J.C......

Sorry I will have to find a link on the net, but if you go to your University Library, you should find reference to this in either the Philosophy, Theology or Religious studies section.

If I get a chance to go the Library I found this in (Not in my home City) or can get the book transferred to our own Library, I will see if I can get the references you require to check it out yourself...

But I will see if I can also, track down a credible link to the number of different versions of The Revelation of J.C.

It has been many, many years since I studied this area, perhaps 35 years or more. But I can assure you that what I am saying is correct. But I will see what I can dig up for you when I get a moment.

I will do my best for you...

[edit on 16-5-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]

posted on May, 16 2010 @ 06:06 PM
reply to post by ACTS 2:38

The Wormwood of Revelation refers to a star falling into the waters which does not refer to the faces of the deep as you claim.

I was referring to the Star as being Not what humankind refer to as a Star but as in the Context other stars are mentioned in The Revelation of J.C.

Like in the Case of the 7 Stars being the Angels of the Assemblies..

The Word "Assemblies" has been changed to the word "churches", today.

Also reference is made to the 12 Stars in The Revelation of J.C. Chapter 12 verse 1.....

Also "The Bright and early Morning Star which is J.C. certainly is Not Venus as many would have you believe.

The Bright and Early Morning Star is the Star of DAVID.

The Revelation of J.C. Chapter 22 Verse 16...Quote;

"I, Jesus have sent My Angel
to testify to you
these things in the Assemblies.

I am the Root and Offspring of DAVID, The Bright and Early Morning Star."

The Bright and early morning Star is the Root of DAVID.

Everything has been Created through this 6 Pointed Star.

This is the "Delta Star" the "Alpha Star" came out of....

But this involves the Geometric Algorithm of Creation, INZ which was displayed on the covers of old bibles and hymn books....

I posted a Photo Copy of this (INZ) in an earlyer post.

The Morning is Not referring to a morning of the Earth, but instead to The First Morning in Genesis Chapter 1.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]

posted on May, 16 2010 @ 08:31 PM
The mark is the chip.

Rev 13:16
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Mark : Strong's G5480
Greek: charagma

1) a stamp, an imprinted mark

a) of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the badge of the followers of the Antichrist

b) the mark branded upon horses

It's well known now the RFID chips are work best when placed in the right hand and forehead.
Yes some people get the RFID in their arm, but the Greek word there "hand" / dexios is also used for arm, hand and arm same thing.

Also trying to fit the so called "Jews" in Israel today into the prophecy of the Bible doesn't work because there not the real Jews.
Their Biblical name is Amealek / Amalekites a tribe that came out the Edomites which are the progenitors of the White / Caucasian race

posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 07:04 PM

Originally posted by dzonatas
Mark of the Beast may not be required anymore. Is it a conspiracy to suggest that it still is required? Or, is it just a traditional ritual being re-played out for no better reason than: people haven't yet realized that event already happened.

If we look at the bible there are a few versus that cover pros and cons of the Mark of the Beast. I'm tempted to list several verses that cover the topic, yet I hesitate about the translation of the scriptures to be close enough, or even the original writers to be competent spellers. The overall suggestions made by the versus, however, make it seem as if the events already occurred. It begs the question of why people would preach as if it hasn't even happened. This contradiction between past tense in the versus, even in their questionable state, and the preached version as if it is in future tense is what suggests the conspiracy.

If Satan doesn't think Mark of the Beast is of any worth anymore, then the question is who or why would people to continue the ritual to make it worth something.

I put this is the Origin & Creationism forum for discussion because it exposes the bible as a 'book of memories' rather than a 'book of prophecy'. I don't mean to disrespect people's faith in this subject, yet I do think this past/future issue is a technical issue that needs to be cleared-up about this subject.

It's like why don't people ever walk about to the preachers and say: why do you ignore the fact the bible shows it already happened so why preach it still is going to happen like it never happened? Do they not want use to see the bible as case law for origins and rather have us see it only to support their ideal purist Creationism?

There are some, Preterist's, who believe the events in the book of Revelation have already happened. So, your thoughts are not unusual.

posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 04:50 AM
reply to post by aero56

May I suggest, "The Revelation of Jesus CHRIST" is not an "apocalyptical" writing as most believe it to be.

The upper case lettering in the following is not used to emphasize, but rather identify the components in their true form. There is a reason for the upper case lettering, which relates to the "WORD" of God (Communication Process)

The Revelation is just that, it "reveals" The CHRIST and the history of "The MAN Child" (a Component of The Soul) also known as "The Son of MAN". (inc. The Return of The Son of MAN Which is a Component of the Soul and not of human form or any other species)

May I suggest the writings are about the Soul and not the human species (the human species being, A'Dam and the Descendants of A'Dam) even though the species is mentioned.

The "Son of MAN" refers to a component of the Soul...

MAN is not A'Dam as the Text of the Genesis implies today...

The title of MAN and WO-MAN is the “Inner” & “Outer” Components of the Soul which are already married. (being of the One) Note the titles given, both include the name MAN that being MAN & WO-MAN

But with A'Dam and Eve the case is different where the title of “A'Dam” is not included in the title, “Eve” unlike in the case of MAN & WO-MAN.

So the title MAN refers to the Soul, made in the Image of God.

but A'Dam was not made in the Image of God.

The LIGHT of MAN is the LIFE of God. (as reported in "The Gospel According to JOHN", Ch. 1 verses 1 to 13)

But the Life of A'Dam is the breath i.e. “breathing”, which is of the human primate or “beast of the field” ( that is the animal called the human primate).

May I suggest also that the writings have been corrupted, (whether unintentionally or intentionally) as the human species has been/is trying to covet the title "MAN"

The Revelation of J.C. involves What the CHRIST is, what "The MAN Child" is, what the "New City" or new JERUSALEM is, (The term given for an organised structure in this case in the Soul) including the history regarding the Soul (Past) and the “Metamorphoses of the Soul” (in the Future for some and in the past for others).

The reason why no one knoweth the hour, is because each Soul goes through this "Metamorphoses", at a different time, hence it is written....

"For many who are first shall be last and many who are Last shall be first and they shall become one and the same". (changes a little depending on the translation)

From "The Gospel of Thomas"…. Quote;

51. His disciple said to Him,

When will the repose of the dead come about,
and when will the New World come?”

He said to them,

“What you look forward to has already come,
but you do Not recognise it.”

posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 06:14 PM
A problem with the conclusion you drawn up here. Doesn't fit the time requirements that the prophesies have.

First example is the prophesies of Daniel. It can be said that Daniel 11 mostly occurred 2000 to 2500 years ago. Problem is that in his prophesies Daniel states that they are to occur in the time of the end, end of days, and end of the years. Then he defines the term in Daniel 12.

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Knowledge certainly wasn't increased by that much between 500 BC and the first century AD.

And there is this verse from Genesis 49.
1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.

Per the prophecy he went about telling his descendants the futures of their offspring. By the end days. When they were to become a multitude of nations. And that had yet to happen by the first century AD.

Clearly the end time prophesies in the bible are to happen in a distant future from the time they were made.

Even Jesus Christ in Matthew 24 defined when when his prophesies were to happen.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

When shall these things be?
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

And of the end of the world?
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

And what is the sign of his coming?
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Finding the carcass of the world. Guess there was something to that. Watching for the fall of "Persia" now.

Daniel 8.
1 In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.
2 And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.
3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.
4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.
5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.
6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.
7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

Creating what? A carcass. Or a corpse.

edit on 23-1-2011 by ntech because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 06:23 AM
According to the writings the last days of this program are still about 1,000 years in the future yet in human terms..
The Increase of knowledge has not yet started really but is about to.
The other global activity in the not so distant future according to the writings is the return of the oceans to under the crust of the Earth.
This gives more land to be exploited over the next 1,000 years. When this event takes place our knowledge of this universe (environment) will certainly increase and portray things a little different than has been thought regarding our environment (experience) and what produces it. At this time many will run to and fro thinking the end of days is at hand but there is still 1,000 years to go yet according to the writings.
It is about the return of "The MAN Child" or "Son of MAN" and not the return of the Christ as the Christ has never left.
the Return of "The MAN Child" or the "Son of MAN" involves The Soul and Not the Primate which are the descendants of A'Dam who breath air and are a beast of the field i.e. the human primate.

This is a "Partition Map" (100% accurate) of the Soul showing "The MAN Child" or "Son of MAN" in the Centre on the Throne. (the throne is a Yellow Octagon in the Centre of the Ogdoad).

It is all about the Soul and not the beast of the field referred to as the human primate (the Descendants of A'Dam).

From “John’s Preaching of the Gospel” The Acts of John 87-105

45. I will that there be prepared
Holy SOULS for Me.

One can find mosaics in old churches with less detail than I have shown above, but are still showing the Partition Map of the Soul. Many of the Souls Components are also displayed in old churches in the form of mosaics in the floors and pattern work in the windows and ceilings. Some refer to this as Sacred art but I do Not look at in that way but rather know these things to be components of the Operating System of the Soul.

edit on 24-1-2011 by The Matrix Traveller because: spelling

posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 08:49 PM

Originally posted by dzonatas
Mark of the Beast may not be required anymore. Is it a conspiracy to suggest that it still is required? Or, is it just a traditional ritual being re-played out for no better reason than: people haven't yet realized that event already happened.

I think it would be wise on your part to take a look at this. The first video is a simple english numeric introduction to calculating for the number 666. The second video is a demonstation video on how to calculate all 666 solutions possible using the scientific method within whole numbers.

Below will be a link to a warning page about what will happen to anyone who takes any future type of buying and selling mark.

edit on 26-1-2011 by SECRETOLOGY because: link repair

posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 12:12 AM
The only species out of all species who buy and sell, is the human species i.e. the tree of A'Dam or descendants of A'Dam. Only them that have the mark or the number of the beast can Buy & Sell.

The Soul does Not Buy and Sell.

It is the human Species (descendants of A'Dam) which carries the "mark" or "number" of the Beast in its processing system.

The Number 666 is the number given for “Double Logic”, The reason why death exists.

It can be found in the humans processing system.. This is the reason for the corruption of the flesh.

The symbol of the fish was to remind us of Death it was not the sign for Jesus.

This drawing shows the Logic regarding the 2 genetic programs….
One from your father and the other from your mother.

The Male is (-) and the female is (+)

These two sub programs control the regeneration of the cells.

First what is known as the "Fish", the occurrence of Death. .
The result of “Double Logic” the result of what is known as the number of the beast or the image of the beast.

Note; the rapid growth in the forward section of the fish then drops of in the rear portion and eventually the system fails in the tail. The Growth comes from the female (Mother) Program.

Second The "female cycle" has been flipped, giving eternal life to the species.

The Result of Single Logic.

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