R.I.P AMERICA Cause of Death?

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
Did I miss something? Or is this another thread to bash the president? It's funny how both Conservatives and Liberals will post ridiculous comments and pictures of the president if he's apart of a rival party. Looks like many of you never matured.

Funny. I don't see anything about any president, repubs or democrats anywhere in the OPs initial post.
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To declare this great nation dead means you have no rights. All rights of yours have been stripped and suspended.

Do not dare call the uSA dead. Just because Neo Conservative Facist rule is no longer don't dare declare the nation dead.

Do you not have confidence in your nation? Evidently not! Go listen to another lie.

BTW, The United States Of America will never die or ever be dead. We are way too resiliant, We always and will forever overcome any obstacle that gets thrown before us.

Lesser nations have fallen on less. The fact the US is still here should speak volumes about the forever enduring American spirit which is the eternal flame that keeps this nation chugging along at full steam and power ahead.

The USA WILL NOT EVER DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA!!!

[edit on 14-5-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]

Originally posted by reeferman

Originally posted by FearNoEvil

The more we turn our backs on Israel, the more this nation will suffer.

LMFAO!! that's a joke right?

The U.S. is providing Israel with at least $7.0 million each day* in military aid and is giving the Palestinians $0** in military aid during Fiscal Year 2009. source

A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: Almost $114 Billion source

AIPAC lobbies for Israel.. As America's leading pro-Israel lobby, AIPAC is closely involved in public policy affecting the Middle East and the U.S.-Israel relationship. AIPAC provides daily updates and analysis on important legislation and policy initiatives. source

as of Jan 2009..

American / Israeli Dual Citizens in the American Government

Attorney General - Michael Mukasey
Head of Homeland Security - Michael Chertoff
Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Richard Perle
Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) - Paul Wolfowitz
Under Secretary of Defense - Douglas Feith
National Security Council Advisor - Elliott Abrams
Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) - “Scooter” Libby
White House Deputy Chief of Staff - Joshua Bolten
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs - Marc Grossman
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department - Richard Haass
U.S.
Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) - Robert Zoellick
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - James Schlesinger
UN Representative (Former) - John Bolton
Under Secretary for Arms Control - David Wurmser
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Eliot Cohen
Senior Advisor to the President - Steve Goldsmith
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary - Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of State - Lincoln Bloomfield
Deputy Assistant to the President - Jay Lefkowitz
White House Political Director - Ken Melman
National Security Study Group - Edward Luttwak
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Kenneth Adelman
Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) - Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
National Security Council Advisor - Robert Satloff
President Export-Import Bank U.S.
- Mel Sembler
Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families - Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs
- Mark Weinberger
White House Speechwriter - David Frum
White House Spokesman (Former) - Ari Fleischer
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Henry Kissinger
Deputy Secretary of Commerce - Samuel Bodman
Under Secretary of State for Management - Bonnie Cohen
Director of Foreign Service Institute - Ruth Davis source

and your trying to imply through some outdated fire & brimstone BS America is going down because of a LACK of support for Israel?

Get that #$@% outta here..

Don't even get me started on how many similarities between what happened in Germany then & what Israel IS DOING right now..

Israel: Walking in the footsteps of Nazi Germany

Hahahaha, NAILED!

George W. Bush has knowingly deceived the American people on the two overriding policy issues of his presidency � the invasion of Iraq and the deep tax cuts.

Other presidents have lied. Only Bush has repeatedly duped Congress and the public to thwart their exercise of informed consent.

He is the first president to use propaganda as the main weapon in selling his policies. Bush's unprecedented pattern of deception may constitute an impeachable offense.

To date, only the deception in Iraq has brought forth the "I" word. The case for impeachment is materially strengthened, however, when Iraq is combined with Bush's 2001 and 2003 propaganda campaigns to convince the public that tax filers with lower levels of income benefited more from his tax cuts than the nation's richest families.

Hoodwinking the public that Saddam posed a perilous immediate danger to the United States is Bush's greatest treachery. New York Times columnist Paul Krugman observed: "If that claim was fraudulent, the selling of the war is arguably the worst scandal in American history."

John Dean, counsel to the president during Watergate, wrote in mid-June: "Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be a 'high crime' under the Constitution's impeachment clause."

Before the U.S. invasion, the strong consensus based on intelligence community information held that there were only negligible Iraqi ties with al-Qaida, no nuclear weapons program of any consequence, and limited chemical and biological weapons programs at most.

Lacking hard facts, as evidenced by his now much-discussed deception in his State of the Union address that Iraq sought to buy uranium in Africa, Bush mixed misinformation, distorted allegations and unsubstantiated rumors to persuade the public of the imminent danger posed by Saddam Hussein.

The experience with the massive tax cuts for families and individuals in both 2001 and 2003 makes patently clear how Bush used the same unscrupulous tactics over time. Moreover, the level of the deception is staggering, as indicated by Bush's 2003 proposal to eliminate taxes on taxable corporate dividends.

Joel Friedman and Robert Greenstein of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities pointed out: "The group with incomes over $1 million � which consists of about 226,000 tax filers in 2003 � would receive roughly as much in benefits as the 127 million tax filers with income below $140,000. Stated another way, the top 0.2 percent of tax filers would receive nearly as much from the tax cut as the bottom 95 percent of filers combined."

Claiming that the 127 million tax filers with incomes of under $140,000 are the big winners when 226,000 of the richest tax filers benefit nearly as much is surely world-class policy deception.

But is it a high crime that warrants impeachment, as was the case with Watergate?

Republican operatives breaking into the Democratic Party's national committee headquarters and President Nixon's covering it up clearly constituted crimes. Bush's propaganda campaign to hide how much the tax cuts benefited the rich is more likely to be viewed by the public as the stuff of politics in which politicians make inflated claims about the importance of a proposed policy and its likely benefits and ignore potential problems.

In actuality, the president's purposeful duping of the public on the nation's most critical policy issues strikes at the heart of American constitutional democracy when it robs the electorate of informed consent. This fraudulent act makes a mockery of Abraham Lincoln's immortal words in the Gettysburg Address, "that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."

Deeming presidential deception a high crime under the impeachment clause can open a Pandora's box of problems. Yet, President Bush's actions appear to be a far more serious assault on the Constitution than Watergate. I hold that interpreting Bush's pattern of deception on his most important policy proposals as a high crime against the nation is a necessary step in rescuing American democracy.

Walter Williams is a professor emeritus at the Evans School of Public Affairs, University of Washington, and author of the forthcoming book, "Reaganism and the Death of Representative Democracy."

R.I.P AMERICA Cause of Death?
Dumb population with over self confidence ruled by a corrupt gov.

So here's what I want to know then...How much time do we have?

Economic collapse, food shortages, violence, etc., when does it all come to a head and we have total collapse?

I'm taking about riots, looting in the streets, complete and total societal breakdown? And who is going to be fighting who? Where will it be safe?

What will be the outcome of all of this? The break up as described by the Russian gentleman? A restructuring? I'd love to hear theories.

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Things are obviously getting better under Obama's Administration. We should be thankful Obama is intelligent enough to get the succesful results on economy and freedom he has given to us.

Obama has done what he promised freedom is rising, economy is improving, and we are united under Obama our commander in chief.

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Great post! dont forget to go cash it out soon

Originally posted by Moonsouljah
A deadly combination of Flouride, Cheetos, and a tumor named Washington DC

Dude thats my favorite combination. -_- Not good.

for the dude who said usa usa usa. power to ya i hope the good ol US is alive

NO, this country is NOT dead!! The day this country dies is the day that there are no more patriots in this country. I know there are. What we need to do is unite under a common banner and fight the corruption head on. As we start to do this, people will wake up and we will only gain supporters and patriots. It will not take very long for the government to show their true face! Perhaps it's time to bring back the Gadsden flag!! We need to unite NOW!

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Hey, I'm all for it. You get it going and im in

Originally posted by Paradigm2012
Things are obviously getting better under Obama's Administration. We should be thankful Obama is intelligent enough to get the succesful results on economy and freedom he has given to us.

Obama has done what he promised freedom is rising, economy is improving, and we are united under Obama our commander in chief.

You forgot something in your comment. /s

There, I fixed it for you.

Unless you were being serious? In that case, I do not know what to say.

reply to post by reeferman

You've given a pretty good counter argument to my opinion. However, my opinion is related more to USA pressure to give up land.

Here are some "acts of God" which "coincidentally" align with USA pressure on Israel. This only goes to 2005 so there are probably more correlations to disasters since then.

Mount St. Helens erupts 5/18/1980,
US heatwave, kills 10,000 June-Sept 1980
US Joins UN resolution 465 3/1/1980, calling on Israel to dismantle existing West Bank settlements. Calls Jerusalem occupied terr.

Hurricane Hugo Sept 1989. 82 killed, 56,000 homeless, 13.6 billion in damages.
Bush and James Baker pressure Israel to accept peace with PLO. Baker calls on Israel "to lay aside once and for all the unrealistic vision of a greater Israel" April-May 1989

Gulf War 378 US killed; gulf war syndrome on troops; $61 billion costs. Aug 1990-Feb 91
Bush states: "The United States does not believe there should be new settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem." Mar 1990

Oct 31, 1991; Perfect Storm off New England. 30 foot waves. 100 year storm
Oct 30, 1991 a meeting scheduled by Bush, Israelis and PA discussed ways to achieve peace in Middle East. Talks focused on trading land for peace agreement.

Hurricane Andrew Aug 24, 1992
Continuation of the "Madrid Conference" meets in Washington. Jan 5, 1992

Blizzard of 93' 300 people killed $6 billion in damages; Great Flood of 93' killed 50 with $15 billion in damages.
Rabin accepts the Oslo Accords. called for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from parts of the Gaza Strip and West Bank and affirmed a Palestinian right of self-government within those areas. Jan 93

LA earthquake Jan 17,1994. $24 billion in damages, 57 killed
Jan 17, Israel decides to talk about withdrawal from Golan Heights. Direct result of Oslo Accords.

Oklahoma City Bombing kills 168; Chicago Heatwave kills 739;Louisiana flood $1.3 billion in damages. 1995
The Israeli-Palestinian Oslo 2 accords are initiated and signed in Washington. 1995

Heatwave 1999 271 killed, Tornado outbreak kills 48 1.5 billion in damages
Clinton meets with Arafat to negotiate with Israel. The U.N. General Assembly calls on Israel to cease settlement activities in east Jerusalem and other occupied territories. April 1999

Sept 11, 2001
US President George W. Bush calls Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to discuss ways to secure peace in the Middle East. Talks on how to implement the U.S.-brokered truce agreement between Palestinians and Israelis continues

Tornado outbreak April 31, 2003. 401 tornadoes, More severe weather broke out this week alone than any other week in U.S. history. 48 deaths, $1 billion damages
April 30, 2003 The "Roadmap to Peace" was begun.

Hurricane outbreak 2004. Charley, Frances, Ivan and Rita. $53 billion in damages, 303 deaths
Under US pressure, Prime Minister Sharon announces his intention to withdraw unilaterally from the Gaza Strip as well as a small number of settlements in the West Bank.

Hurricane Katrina , $84 billion in damages, 1836 deaths. Louisiana destroyed 8/29/05
Gaza Pullout under US pressure, 8/15/2005

Here is some more info to to chew on...
Is USA cursed?

Peace

Originally posted by chaseninja
Well i have now decided America is dead. But what i want to know is how did it happen from start to finish? Lets make it easy for the world to see Americas Autopsy.

America 1799-2010





thanks in advance. -ninja

Cause of death is easy: Apathy

I don't think the country is dead, but there's a lot of crap going on that needs to be fixed. Strangely, (not to toot my own horn or anything, but...) I just posted a PODcast with a song I wrote that expresses this very idea.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I woke up this morning with tears in my eyes...
Been crying for my country again.
I barely recognize her under the lies...
But I get a glimpse now and then

The big corporations own government.
Money rules this once great land
With profit the first, last and only concern.
The greed, I just can't understand.

--We've let propaganda dictate our thoughts and feed indecision and doubt
--We are all in this chaos together, my friends, but separate, we'll never get out.

A broken man served us so well in the war,
with honor and courage and pride
But homeless and alone, waits for his life to end...
He can't recall now why he tried.

Mass paranoia, hatred and lies...
Anger and selfishness rule
So forget the community! I want what's mine!
And I don't give a damn about you. Who are you?

--Oh, Please tell me I haven't just lost my mind, This nightmare from which I'll awake
--Hating each other is part of the plan ... How much more of this will we take?

There's blood in the ocean, as black as despair..
The animals covered with crude
And chemicals thrive in our water and air..
and genetically modified food.

Oh, Freedom! Sweet Freedom, equality for all
were values this country held high
The polarization that now forms the wall
is enough to make anyone cry. And I cry.

--I remember a time country really came first, When patriot was more than a word
--When United we Stand and Divided we Fall was not just a cliché you heard.

I woke up this morning with tears in my eyes...
Been crying for my country again.
I barely recognize her under the lies...
But I get a glimpse now and then. And I cry.


[edit on 5/15/2010 by Benevolent Heretic]

Obama was elected! That means the USA is dead!

Didn't the USA used to have slavery based upon the race of an indvidual and wage a near-extermination genocidal campaign against Native Americans that finally culminated in the survivors being granted tiny bits of land the U.S. didn't want? And with all of this followed decades of government sanctioned segregation, women having no voting rights, and laws that prevented dissent during times of war?

I take back that last paragraph though. Truly Obama, and liberal-commie-nazi-socialists in general, have killed America. And they didn't even fire a shot. At least not inside the U.S. homeland. The Middle East however is still getting slugs drilled into it by U.S. forces.

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