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“Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”

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posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by XNeMeSis21

Originally posted by SWCCFAN

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after
work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.


I would just like to ask two things about your numbers

1. What is your source for all these random claims.

2. If poor Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays he must get double overtime or at least time and a half. Thats either ( double overtime just one day 50x8 400 x 52 28,000.00) Time and a half ( 37.5x8 300x52 15,600)

So when Evil jose illegal is at home with his family poor joe legal is making and extra 28k or 15k? doesn't sound like such a bad deal. can you add that into the numbers please?

[edit on 14-5-2010 by XNeMeSis21]


Nice!


Oooooooooooohhhhhhhh Cachiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!! ;]




posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:33 AM
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this kind of posts make me sick. You know, i feel more and more that this site has been turned into a propaganda tool and the elite it turning it against ourselves.

This drones are just spreading the hatred and want to heat up USA_Mexico relations.

Look out guys i think this kind of thread are the clear example of how this (once) wonderful site is being used to spread Elite propaganda. I don't buy this BS.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:34 AM
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reply to post by Johnze
 


give me a break



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:35 AM
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Firstly I am a leagal immigrant, I was here for around 9 years on and off on temporary work visas which are hard to get by the way after 9/11 you have to go to an embassy in your home country and be interviewed. I did this for many years 9 months here 3 months at home in the UK. I met my beautiful, wonderful wife and we married in may of last year.

We filled for my perminant residency in July of 2009. $1250 on lawyer fees because if you mess up your forms you go to the back of the cue no white out allowed. Medical $650 has to be ice santioned doctor, $110 for biometrics, now for the best part $1070 for paper work.

Now if your spouse sponsors you, they have to prove that you will live 125% above to poverty line. I recieved my perminant residency status with conditions in October but from July to October I was not allowed to work as my immigration case was in procceding. Now in August 2011 we will have to hire a lawyer again $1250 and file paper work proving we are still together for myself to get the conditions lifted $1000.

By the time I go ahead and file for citizenship which our lawyer has advised us due to inheritance issues etc. Citizenship paper work is expensive aswell I am guessing we will have spent around $8-10k for my right to stay in this wonderful country I now call home.

Illeagal immigration is what it is a crime that's why it's illegal.

Yes stop the companies that hire them stop them from having anchor babies stop the handouts they get.

They will go home but when we as a country make it a haven for them they will keep coming yes there are a bunch that are here to work hard want to pay taxes and want to be a productive part o society but there is also a criminal element that follows because they know they can pray on the less fortunate. Just my 2centz



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:35 AM
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Sorry double post

[edit on 14-5-2010 by Brit-Tex]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:39 AM
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And how exactly do you do that?


I suggest that they use the same tactics that ICE use when they go after illegals.

Go in their fully locked and loaded, haul them away, and publicize the hell out of it.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:39 AM
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Fantastic post! Dont let these P.C. types get you down with the calling you a racist and all. Very nice break down, honest numbers with your cost assesments, and frankly a fair comparison between joe and jose. By the way people, Mexico is notorious in how it deals with illegals coming into their country from their southern boarders. In many cases, those caught with out proper documentation are taken out in the middle of nowhere and shot... but most of you in here would be shocked to hear about this. Thats probably because either you havent traveled to the great nation of Mexico or if you have you have stayed in the all inclusive resorts and never ventured out into the interior, hence those of you who hurl the insults and calls of racist to this poster are speaking out of your ignorance.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
Fantastic post! Dont let these P.C. types get you down with the calling you a racist and all. Very nice break down, honest numbers with your cost assesments, and frankly a fair comparison between joe and jose. By the way people, Mexico is notorious in how it deals with illegals coming into their country from their southern boarders. In many cases, those caught with out proper documentation are taken out in the middle of nowhere and shot... but most of you in here would be shocked to hear about this. Thats probably because either you havent traveled to the great nation of Mexico or if you have you have stayed in the all inclusive resorts and never ventured out into the interior, hence those of you who hurl the insults and calls of racist to this poster are speaking out of your ignorance.


Honest numbers? He should add the clear correction I have made to make it "Honest".

And I love how people keep using others countries laws as examples. Who cares what anothers countries laws are we live in the US and we are under US laws so quit using them as some kind of justification it doesn't make sense.
It's like me saying in other countries they stone people to death when they steal something, and we just send people to jail we should start stoning people because our system isn't working properly.

See how that has nothing to do with anything?



[edit on 14-5-2010 by XNeMeSis21]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:48 AM
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Racism is sooo last century. US will be nothing without immigration. All the white Caucasians are immigrant descendants. The only guys that can be proud enough to say that they are native are Cherokees and all those races that the white immigrants hunted and killed.

So as a matter of fact is so convenient for so many companies to contract people that work twice harder, twice the time at one third the price. Ohhh you should be proud. That is why many US companies are so rich, greed kill decency and of course is more convenient. Its nice to see how "The Empire" is collapsing in it own footprint


Twice the pride double the fall!



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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Ignorance and bandwagon information is all that I see in this thread.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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reply to post by jam321
 


This is why we need to VOTE. THEM. OUT. ALL of them. and every last staff member with them.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by Target Earth
reply to post by Johnze
 


I like how the truth is now racist. I like how it is a good thing to screw over the system, that you don't even belong too. The Tax Payers have to float the bill, So I take it you like too cheat the system, and consider everyone who play's buy the rules as Idiots. Hats off to you, attitudes like that is why America is going down the Hell.


If you don't like it stop paying taxes.

America is "going to hell" because people actually believe that they have to pay taxes.

They'll even make excuses for it.

Can you imagine what it would take to try to indoctrinate someone to the point to where they believe that something negative is positive? And then convince them to defend it?

Its genius really.

Modern Money Mechanics



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:57 AM
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Look, my point in giving mexico's "immigration policy" here is to show the hyprocricy of the mexican government, in their harsh dealings with their illegal problem from the south yet condeming us for simply enforcing current immigration laws here in the united states. And yes those are very accurite numbers, well thought out and very well communicated in that post.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:58 AM
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reply to post by MexicanTexan
 


No, you just dont like the information being said in this thread.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 01:05 AM
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reply to post by Rockstrongo37
 


No I don't like it. It's very deceiving.

Many "Illegal Aliens" apply and get TIN numbers and do pay taxes. Many do have private insurance or do pay their medicals bills on payments. It's ignorance to assume all Mexicans like to abuse the system. Many do try and play the game as best as they can and many do come here illegally and WORK to get the money to pay the fees/education to become a legal resident.

I can say the same thing about people who "think" they are native to this land. There are many anglo americans on welfare who abuse the system. I see more Anglo American panhandlers than any other ethnic/group on the street corner. I could make broad statements about them, but there is bad apples in every group of people.



[edit on 14-5-2010 by MexicanTexan]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 01:06 AM
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reply to post by SWCCFAN
 


Nothing makes me more proud to be a born Mexican than a stupid thread made by a person who has absolutely no understanding of how Taxes work in the US.

Threads like this show just how inept, childish and down right down syndrome some Americans are.

If you don't like illegal Mexicans just say so. Kick them out and build your wall. but for the love of GOD don't degrade your own country by posting on of those chain E-mails that are no better than the junk spam Viagra, make your penis grow 3 inches in one week E-mails everyone in the world gets.

The only question I have is Can Joe Legal sing like this?



If not you can kiss my butt!

VIVA MAXICO!!!

[edit on 14-5-2010 by Izarith]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 01:07 AM
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I haven't seen any national polls, but in wisconsin news stations all over have covered this as well as the radio. I was back from school at the rents(a sbubur of milwaukee) after this arizona bill was passed and all the news stations were covering it. two of them said on error that they were getting the largest number of responses back than they have ever received before largely in favor of arizona's bill. Now I also have a friend who is half mexican whom absolutely hates the bill. She absolutely knows nothing about her heritage, can not speak spanish, and knows nothing about mexico. However she is very very very liberal and as soon as politics are brought up its not worth debating. This I find with just about every liberal though and trust me I encounter a lot at the university of the liberal capital of the world. Liberals do not think with reason and won't give anyone with an excellent argument a chance. They just get very angry.

I'd hate to generalize, but I have yet to encounter one liberal that is good at an honest debate. No facts ever seem to be used and they always discredit without evidence the person they argue against.

I honestly believe the subject of liberals being incapable of an honest debate is plausible. They just seem to get so rapped up in their brains and party guide lines that all they spew is crap. A lesson in econ would do me a great favor. Many liberals that I have argued with honestly believe that money is infinite. Either that or they honestly believe everything is free.


 
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posted on May, 14 2010 @ 01:12 AM
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reply to post by MexicanTexan
 


Your either ignorant of the facts or your simply not telling the truth. The majority of illegals use stolen Social Securtiy Numbers inorder to be employeed and then claim the most deductions possible so they generally dont pay taxes...this also messes up the person who's ss# they stole. If they dont have the SS# they are then paid under the table and pay no taxes at all. They dont have insurance at all getting their medical care at our nation's emergency rooms and then dont pay the bills raising premiums for th rest of us.

As much as my heart bleeds for these people it simply isnt right for them to be here, breaking the law, stealing identities, and spunging off a system that they do not support financially.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 01:12 AM
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reply to post by Rockstrongo37
 


If you "know" these numbers are accurate. Can you show me other links that OP has not put up yet? And don't make excuses like, 'why should I if they are already present'. Don't worry I'll also look for different living conditions on legal and illegal on multiple searches.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 01:17 AM
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honestly I cant put up links to these exact numbers because they vary from family to family. But the over all premis is factual and im sorry if you and several here are mad at this posting... just understand that that the majority of Americans agree with what this thread is saying, polls are proving that over and over again. We are tired of laws being broken and excuses being made in the name of political correctness.



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