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Should the American Flag Be Banned -- in America?

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posted on May, 13 2010 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by chaseninja

i also wish i could have lived to see the america my dad talks about.


It's a dream.

Atlantis, Narnia, Utopia ... A Place/Ideal that never came to fruition ...

It died before it occured.




posted on May, 13 2010 @ 10:29 PM
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Why not ban the flag? We've already allowed what it stands for to be weakened nearly to the point of death. If our ideals have fallen why keep their symbol intact? Shall we keep it flying a wraith? A reminder of what we once strove to be as a nation? A reminder of the American dream turned nightmare?

I guess banning it is a dumb idea though, maybe if that banner still waves people will care about this country enough to turn us around from the road to self-destruction.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 10:36 PM
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This is the most disgusting thread I have ever read. No offense to the OP but

HELL NO, NEVER BAN THE FLAG!!

Might as well stab all the WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Korean, Iraqi and Afghan Veterans in the back. I am an Iraqi Vet and that poll is BS. When are we going to stop bending over backwards to accommodate everyone? If the American flag offends, then go the hell home to your crap third world country and see if things are better for you. This angers me to no end.

I am in an armed forces day parade this weekend here at home and I am carrying the flag for my/our VFW post (since I am the youngest one in the post). God forbid anyone disrespects any of our fine Vets and/or the flag. I can gauran-damn-tee you I will lay the smack down on any act of disrespect.




posted on May, 13 2010 @ 10:58 PM
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Here's a simple solution to a simple problem:

If you don't like the American Flag or what it represents,


GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY!

If you are SO offended by MY FLAG OF MY COUNTRY WHICH MY GRANDFATHERS AND UNCLES FOUGHT AND DIED FOR, then you don't belong here in the first place.

I don't give a flying fark if you are Mexican, Australian, German, British, Russian, or whatever. If you don't like it GET OUT!

If you feel so threatened in your school that you feel like you need to start complaining about AMERICANS wearing AMERICAN FLAG tee-shirts, then you sure as hell don't belong in my country.

I'm not racist against anybody, but if you feel the need to display your Mexican Flag and be proud of it, MOVE BACK THERE. This is the United States of American, NOT the United States of MEXICO.

I am damn proud of my country and what is does/used to stand for. Take some pride, and go back to your country and fight the cartels. Get your people together and take those bastards out. Don't come here expecting a free hand out, free education, and the imaginary right to trample all over MY FLAG. Once you have fought and died for your country, for it's liberation, if you still want to come to America, come here legally. Get a job, learn the language, and pay your taxes. We can be best friends. I don't care.

BUT DON'T COME INTO MY COUNTRY AND TELL ME THAT MY FLAG IS OFFENSIVE TO YOU.

/rant


Okay, now that I got that out of my system. I am not a racist. But so far, it seems as if Mexico is the one of the only countries still pouring into ours illegally everyday. I love all human beings as much as I love my own mother, but at some point these people need to stand up, band together, and fight these drug cartels. Call it my own brand of tough love. They need to stand on their own two feet eventually.

The story about the four boys kicked out of school for wearing American Flag tee-shirts on Cinco de Mayo was sickening. I don't care if the Principal was worrying about the safety of these kids or not. Some of them were old enough to go out to war. Let them settle their differences like men.....not like cowering sheep, afraid to show their pride in their own colors.

As far as this "American Flag Ban," well the day that they ban them in schools is the day that I hang up my business suit, my horns, and put on my camo, grab my .45, my M-16, and my shotgun and start the Revolution.

When is this Political Correctness campaign going to stop? Why do we have to apologize for being AMERICAN?!?!?! I am damn proud of my country, and I'm damn proud to live in it. I'm sure that each person posting here is also proud of their respective countries. They should be! But this PC bull**** needs to stop NOW. I will not apologize for being American, and I will not apologize for being proud of my flag.


/rant #2



Peace be with you.

-truthseeker



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by chaseninja
ha dont i know. iv been trying to deny it since iv still got my teenage sense of hope. Just wish theyd finish us off end the suffering. i also wish i could have lived to see tge america my dad talks about. RIP AMERICA

You give up too easily. Don't be deceived, there are still plenty of Americans who would (and will) fight to the death for the American Flag and everything for which it stands.

I'm one of them.

Never be discouraged by the imbeciles in academia and the government who espouse that America must change in order to be part of a one-world government. That's a crock of socialist horse crap.

To quote one of my favorite American heroes, General George S. Patton (excerpts from his real speech, not the Hollywood version):


Be seated.

Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshît. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle.

You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight.

Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards.

Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American.

You are not all going to die. Only two percent of you right here today would die in a major battle. Death must not be feared. Death, in time, comes to all men. Yes, every man is scared in his first battle. If he says he's not, he's a liar. Some men are cowards but they fight the same as the brave men or they get the hell slammed out of them watching men fight who are just as scared as they are.

The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared. Some men get over their fright in a minute under fire. For some, it takes an hour. For some, it takes days. But a real man will never let his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood. Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base. Americans pride themselves on being He Men and they are He Men.

We don't want yellow cowards in this Army. They should be killed off like rats. If not, they will go home after this war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the Goddamned cowards and we will have a nation of brave men.

I don't want to get any messages saying, "I am holding my position." We are not holding a Goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shît out of him all of the time.

Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like shît through a tin horn!

There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you won't have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, "Well, your Granddaddy shoveled shît in Louisiana."

No, Sir. You can look him straight in the eye and say, "Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Army and a Son-of-a-Goddamned-Bitch named Georgie Patton!"

That is all.


That's the attitude we need in America today, and it's still out there, I promise you. Never give up.


— Doc Velocity






[edit on 5/13/2010 by Doc Velocity]



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 11:10 PM
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I cannot see the logic in flag removal resulting in less racial fights. Flag or no flag, mexicans are still clearly brown and easily recognized by those who hate them, and the same goes for white kids. Mexicans hate them. what in God's name does the flag have to do with any of this?

That's like asking home fans of a baseball team to not wear the teams cap in fear of inciting a fight. It does nothing to solve the issue. All it does is piss off the home team more actually.

So I say removing the flag does nothing but raise awareness of differences and will result in MORE fights. It's adding to the list of problems. Not being able to raise your nations flag is indeed a problem. The kids who faught last week because Pedro's dad stole his dad's job can now add that Pedro stole his flag too? This idea is so ass stupid I can't even begin to understand it's logic. This tree huggin crap has got to stop immediately!

[edit on 13-5-2010 by spinalremain]



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by spinalremain
I cannot see the logic in flag removal resulting in less racial fights.

Here's the problem... At a great many American public schools in the Southwest, the schools improperly fly the Mexican national flag right along with the American flag.

The schools do it out of some kind of misplaced deference to their Mexican-American students, who often comprise the majority of the school's student body. Nevermind that they are American citizens, the state-sponsored schools are making a political statement by flying the Mexican flag.

I know, this is incredibly wrong-headed, but it's a liberal thing.

At any rate, there have been a number of incidents down there of students climbing the pole and taking down the Mexican flag (which shouldn't be up there anyway). This has resulted in a few student suspensions, as well as in a few violent conflicts between students.

Make no fekking mistake, these aren't racial conflicts, because Mexican is not a race. It's a nationality. There's a huge difference, but those ass holes who want to attack America turn everything into a racial debate.

So, the state-sponsored school solution is to take down all flags, both the Mexican and the American flag, which they think will reduce these "racial incidents" (which aren't racial incidents at all).

The fact is, as a state-sponsored institution, the schools are REQUIRED to fly the American flag; and, as an American institution, they are NOT required to fly the flags of any other nations.

They need to pull their heads out of their asses and decide which country is paying their salaries.

— Doc Velocity




[edit on 5/13/2010 by Doc Velocity]



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 11:38 PM
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This is the most disgusting news I've heard in a long time.

The flag is a symbol to honor our country. What's wrong with having pride in one's country?

If the stars and stripes are banned I am sure I'll either be killed or spend the rest of my life in federal prison.

I will not give up my flag. It's the same flag my dad saw displayed on the troop carrier he was on in WW2. Our flag flew as he shot the enemy out of the air during the Normandy Invasion.

It's the same flag that covered the coffins of my friends killed in Viet NAM.

It's also the same flag I marched behind on football fields in high school and college bands.

IMHO there is no going back or saving our country without severe political or even violent action by our citizens.

If I have but one life to give I will proudly give it for my country.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 11:53 PM
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Im with you brother. It is really sad when the American flag is not allowed to fly in America. What the hell is wrong with this country!!! It's a damned shame all those men who fought and died for our country from day one died for nothing! I know what the problem is. The problem is the Liberty tree has not been refreshed in a long time.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by dizziedame
If I have but one life to give I will proudly give it for my country.

And, you know, if I lived in any other fekking country, I wouldn't be able to say that — because I don't think any other country on Earth is worth dying to defend.

The USA was founded as a REFUGE from the barbarism and oppression and tyranny rampant throughout the rest of the world. America is the place you go to ESCAPE the tyrants, right? That's the traditional role that America has played in the world — we take in the runaways and castaways and give them the opportunity to become GREATER than they ever imagined, unhindered, unfettered and FREE.

I know, as soon as I say that, some pro-illegal-amnesty goon is going to jump in and start jabbering about illegal aliens only availing themselves of the American dream. Bullshît.

Illegal aliens are breaking American federal law to begin with, they're stealing identities, they're using our medical system without paying for it, and they're sending their earnings back to Mexico. In effect, they're not trying to better themselves and become American citizens — they're here as parasites, abusing our hospitality and breaking our laws.

Ask any illegal alien if he would give his life to defend the high ideals of America.

Fekk no, he wouldn't. When you start talking about fighting for the right, the illegal aliens turn around and head back home to Mexico.

— Doc Velocity



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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Which is EXACTLY what this whole thing is all about. Illegal immigrants AND Americans are
PAWNS in their game- no more and no less. The republican/ democrat game is no longer working & this is Plan B #1.
People like La Raza are being exploited & manipulated to kick this up a notch or 10. The globalists are just capitalizing on the drug/ crime issues on the border IF they aren't funding/ fueling it in the first place. Just my opinion.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Talk of banning the American Flag is part of the Globalist agenda, a propaganda campaign to demonize national sovereignty and national pride. The Globalist agenda cannot work as long as there is even one sovereign nation in existence.

The USA is merely the most highly visible sovereign nation on the planet, and it is thus under the heaviest attack from those wishing to destroy sovereignty and national pride. When the USA knuckles under and relinquishes its sovereignty to a "one-world government," that's when you'll see the dominoes really start to fall.

Whichever nation is the last sovereign nation will be the target of more propaganda and hate and vitriol than any nation preceding it.

Which is why we must FIGHT globalization and one-world government and one-world economy and one-world law until our dying breaths. One-world mentality means the death of Liberty.

I hope the Anti-Defamation League was listening to that. They can accuse me of inciting more violence.

— Doc Velocity


How do you fight incrementalism and gradualism?
How do you fight a birthrate of 4 or 7?
How do you fight two generations of brainwashing?

www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 14-5-2010 by RRokkyy]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by RRokkyy
How do you fight incrementalism and gradualism?
How do you fight a birthrate of 4 or 7?

Incrementalism is a long-term Globalist strategy; and, yes, it's difficult to get a grasp on so many illegal aliens and their offspring, but that's where you go inside the System and fight it from within.

Sure, I know some people say 20 million illegal aliens can potentially breed 200 million offspring and overrun a country, but that's fanciful disinformation.

It ignores the fact that the offspring are individuals who can and will be programmed by TPTB and be assimilated into the System.

It's the System with which we must concern ourselves, not the offspring of illegal aliens, who are going to grow up as good Americans...or not.

— Doc Velocity






[edit on 5/14/2010 by Doc Velocity]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by RRokkyy
How do you fight incrementalism and gradualism?
How do you fight a birthrate of 4 or 7?

Incrementalism is a long-term Globalist strategy; and, yes, it's difficult to get a grasp on so many illegal aliens and their offspring, but that's where you go inside the System and fight it from within.

Sure, I know some people say 20 million illegal aliens can potentially breed 200 million offspring and overrun a country, but that's fanciful disinformation.

It ignores the fact that the offspring are individuals who can and will be programmed by TPTB and be assimilated into the System.

It's the System with which we must concern ourselves, not the offspring of illegal aliens, who are going to grow up as good Americans...or not.

— Doc Velocity
[edit on 5/14/2010 by Doc Velocity]


20 million wont produce 200 million
20 million will produce over a billion at a birthrate of 4

But that doesnt take into account the other 50 million who are also here.
Nor does that take into account the additional ones who are arriving at the
rate of 3 million per year.

Nor does that take into account the white birthrate of 1.7

Nor does that take into account the "differences" of those immigrants who
are already the majority in 10 percent of counties.

You cant go inside the system, only the elite rich and powerful can go there.
You already are powerless.
You will be absorbed or displaced.



[edit on 14-5-2010 by RRokkyy]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:45 AM
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How far are we, do you think, from a Watchmen-like reality, where globalization and one-world government, ultimately, is a fekking TRICK played upon us, a lousy joke.



As the Comedian sardonically observes: "What happened to the American Dream? It came TRUE!"

— Doc Velocity



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:46 AM
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I wonder if that 67% is an accurate percentage?


No. There was a coordinated effort to skew the results.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:47 AM
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You know what? Let them ban the flag, outlaw the guns, remove the ten commandments, the Bible. Let them do all of it.

And afterwards we will all fly our flags, keep our guns, read the Ten commandments and carry our Bibles.

They can do whatever they want up there under the ivory dome and we can continue to ignore it all. Once you understand "you" are the true power then it will matter little to you what has been done in support of political correctness.

Bottom line - they will never disarm the American people and therefore they will never have total control



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:48 AM
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You cant go inside the system, only the elite rich and powerful can go there. You already are powerless. You will be absorbed or displaced.


All systems tend towards entropy. The system you are advocating, that one you claim we are all powerless to enter, is a useless system, and we will not be absorbed or displaced, those of us who understand entropy will work towards building a better system. It would be nice to do it with you, but since you seem so intent on surrendering, all I can do is wish you well, and maybe fly a flag or two at your parade.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
No one has come around and collected your gun yet, but America is dead.

America is not dead until the last Patriotic
American stops breathing.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity
How far are we, do you think, from a Watchmen-like reality, where globalization and one-world government, ultimately, is a fekking TRICK played upon us, a lousy joke.

As the Comedian sardonically observes: "What happened to the American Dream? It came TRUE!"
— Doc Velocity


What happened to the American dream.
It came true.
Just look around you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lo que sucedió al sueño norteamericano
Se realizó
eche una mirada alrededorle justo

it's an american dream
includes indians too



This following program is dedicated to the city and people of
San Francisco, who may not know it but they are beautiful and so
is their city this is a very personal song, so if the viewer
cannot understand it particularly those of you who are European
residents save up all your bread and fly trans love airways to
San Francisco U.S.A., then maybe you'll understand the song, it
will be worth it, if not for the sake of this song but for the
sake of your own peace of mind.


Strobe lights beam create dreams
walls move minds to do
on a warm San Francisco night
old child young child feel alright
on a warm San Francisco night
angels sing leather wings
jeans of blue Harley Davisons too
on a warm San Francisco night
old angels young angels feel alright
on a warm San Francisco night.

I wasn't born there perhaps I'll die there
there's no place left to go, San Francisco.

Cop's face is filled with hate
heavens above he's on a street called love
when will they even learn
old cop young cop feel alright
on a warm San Francisco night
the children are cool
they don't raise fools
it's an american dream
includes indians too




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