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SABOTAGE: Did Halliburton lay waste to Gulf Rig with explosives?

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posted on May, 13 2010 @ 11:57 AM
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Guess they had to be brought into the fold. edit to add: c'mon, where are the S&F's?


I agree with you on both points... I must say it's a tough crowd in here today!




posted on May, 13 2010 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by BeastMaster2012
If you want to find out any info regarding halliburton and the oil spill, visit my thread bellow. I was also outraged when i heard that Halliburton bought up Boots & Coots. In my thread on page 2 i believe i confirmed that Booters and Cooters WILL be helping to clean up this mess. So if you hear people say that Booters and Cooters just puts out fires, they are wrong. They will make money out of this and Halliburton will make millions if not Billions.



I view Halliburton the same as Goldman Sachs... They're "market makers," so how about creating a market to utilize your service. I've been following your thread closely. It hasn't been very difficult to connect the dots. With the magnitude of damage this should be investigated heavily. I would also hope this is the proverbial - shot in the foot - for both BP and Halliburton they don't escape from.

[edit on 13-5-2010 by Americanist]



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 01:12 PM
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c'mon, where are the S&F's?





SABOTAGE: Did Halliburton lay waste to Gulf Rig with explosives?


Title change might do the trick... We'll see. This is certainly something to research further.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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I don't know, but this is bogus.


in an attempt to prevent The Dutch Royals from tapping into this huge oil field?


Just to clear this up, BP is British, Shell is Dutch.

The Dutch royal family has (iirc) 1% stocks in Shell.

So they don't loose a thing in this matter.

The truth of this matter won't float as easily to the surface as all the oil does.

Since so much disinformation and rumors have already spread, like for example that it would be done by a North Korean submarine.

I think we will never know what really happened.

GM



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by Grey Magic
I don't know, but this is bogus.


in an attempt to prevent The Dutch Royals from tapping into this huge oil field?


Just to clear this up, BP is British, Shell is Dutch.

The Dutch royal family has (iirc) 1% stocks in Shell.

So they don't loose a thing in this matter.

The truth of this matter won't float as easily to the surface as all the oil does.

Since so much disinformation and rumors have already spread, like for example that it would be done by a North Korean submarine.

I think we will never know what really happened.

GM




We do know swat teams assembled on rigs shortly afterwards. I read elsewhere that indicated 3-4 members of a survey team made an appearance as well. This may have been a government agency... You know, one of those horribly under-budgeted departments. Slightly odd to the oil rig worker who made note of the fact. So here we have two or three factions present in the area. BP, Shell, and Halliburton. Whether we're witnessing a power grab or not, something obviously isn't right. I'd also agree with you on your final point. It boils down to cover-ups most times.


Keep Digging



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 09:16 PM
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Leak far worse than thought? Another uncertainty is just how much oil is spilling. Government officials have put the amount at about 5,000 42-gallon barrels per day. But National Public Radio reported Thursday that a scientific analysis of video of the spill source made available by BP showed that the true figure might be far higher — closer to 70,000 barrels a day. That would mean far more oil has already spilled into the Gulf than was spilled in the Exxon Valdez tanker accident in Alaska in 1989, when about 250,000 barrels spilled.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 09:29 PM
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Jesse's i thought that the people on ATS was a lot smarter than this.

There was no bombs. Learn how a oil rig works. Its practically sitting on a gas and carbon bomb it self.

This disaster was do to poor judgement and calculations done by the reservoir engineers.

I am starting to loose faith in the stupidity some people on ATS is displaying. If you all want this event described in details i will do it for you all even though i was not on the rig it self.

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by spy66
Jesse's i thought that the people on ATS was a lot smarter than this.

There was no bombs. Learn how a oil rig works. Its practically sitting on a gas and carbon bomb it self.

This disaster was do to poor judgement and calculations done by the reservoir engineers.

I am starting to loose faith in the stupidity some people on ATS is displaying. If you all want this event described in details i will do it for you all even though i was not on the rig it self.

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]


Not my story, but provide your oil and gas credentials while addressing the crowd. There are several hours of logs missing from tests that were conducted. You wouldn't happen to have access to that data with insider knowledge of how things operate would you?

I don't disagree with gas shooting up the pipe... I have to wonder though, if this "time bomb" wasn't added to by intensity.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by spy66
Jesse's i thought that the people on ATS was a lot smarter than this.

There was no bombs. Learn how a oil rig works. Its practically sitting on a gas and carbon bomb it self.

This disaster was do to poor judgement and calculations done by the reservoir engineers.

I am starting to loose faith in the stupidity some people on ATS is displaying. If you all want this event described in details i will do it for you all even though i was not on the rig it self.

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]


Not my story, but provide your oil and gas credentials while addressing the crowd. There are several hours of logs missing from tests that were conducted. You wouldn't happen to have access to that data with insider knowledge of how things operate would you?

I don't disagree with gas shooting up the pipe... I have to wonder though, if this "time bomb" wasn't added to by intensity.



Well i work for Aker Well solutions in Norway. I am a well intervention supervisor.
BP also have rigs stationed in Norway. ULA for one. BP also used to own Gyda as well, before Talisman bought the rig from BP some years back.

I am not going to put my personal ID on ATS.

Why did this disaster happen!

A well must always have a minimum of 2 separate barriers to the well. In this case they had 3.

1. Cement plug tested in both direction. That means from above and from bellow. The test form bellow is referred to as a negative test (inflow test). Because they displace the mud above the cement plug to get a pressure differential. They do that by placing the drill pipe at a specific calculated depth, and displace the well with a lower mud wight,so that the total hydrostatic pressure would be less. Than the derrick man at the shakers observe if there is a flow of mud coming out on the shakers and into the pit. The pit has a measuring glass which the derrick man can measure the return volume or the loss of volume.

2. Mud. The mud in the well is the primary barrier, because it is constantly being observed by the derrick man at the shakers/pit. The mud's function is to establish a hydrostatic pressure that is higher than the expected pressure at set depth. And the Mud is constantly being measured and weighed by the Mud engineer. The mud usually have a hydrostatic pressure that is about 10 to 20 bar above expected pressure at TD.

3. The BOP. The BOP is within drilling always the seconds barrier on a well.
The fluid/mud and cemented casing are the primary barriers.

Under this operation. The reservoir engineers (BP) and driller made some very fatal calculations and judgments.

Now, Keep in mind that a well always must have at least two barriers to the well. What happened was that the primary barrier "MUD" was replaced by sea water. This was a decision made by the BP re-soar engineer.

Sea water has lover density (weight) than MUD. Thereby you get a much lover hydrostatic pressure in the well.

The cement plug needs at least 12 - 24 hours to harden. before it can be pressure tested from above. If you test a cement plug before it has properly harden/settled. The pressure applied by the pressure test from above will create channels through the cement plug. A displacement to a lighter fluid above the cement plug will do just the same. But it would be the gas migrating through the cement plug creating the channels/communication.

Now i dont know how long they let the cement plug settle. But personally i think this is where they made their firs mistake. Because it does explain why the gas was able to migrate up the well under the stage where they displaced the well to sea water.

To be able to displace the well to sea water they have to place the pipe at about 7900 ft. Just above the cement plug. And than pump sea water down through the pipe and take the return out through the pit/shakers.

The gas was first discovered at the Shaker by the derrick man. Because the gas migrated with the mud being displaced by sea water. And when the gas reached the shakers, Yeah well you get one hell of a mess.

The derrick man called up the driller at the drill Flore and explained that he needed help. Because the gas was spraying mud allover the place. This is where the driller made a fatal mistake. He opened the annular preventer and probably killed him self the in the process. Because of the force the gas pushed the fluid out of the rotary table. Which is located smack in from to the dog house. The rotary table is usually not more than a few meters away from the dog house.

I dont know if i really have to explain this in any more details, because personally i dont believe any of you understand what i am really talking about.



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by spy66
Jesse's i thought that the people on ATS was a lot smarter than this.

There was no bombs. Learn how a oil rig works. Its practically sitting on a gas and carbon bomb it self.

This disaster was do to poor judgement and calculations done by the reservoir engineers.

I am starting to loose faith in the stupidity some people on ATS is displaying. If you all want this event described in details i will do it for you all even though i was not on the rig it self.

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]


Not my story, but provide your oil and gas credentials while addressing the crowd. There are several hours of logs missing from tests that were conducted. You wouldn't happen to have access to that data with insider knowledge of how things operate would you?

I don't disagree with gas shooting up the pipe... I have to wonder though, if this "time bomb" wasn't added to by intensity.



Well i work for Aker Well solutions in Norway. I am a well intervention supervisor.
BP also have rigs stationed in Norway. ULA for one. BP also used to own Gyda as well, before Talisman bought the rig from BP some years back.

I am not going to put my personal ID on ATS.

Why did this disaster happen!

A well must always have a minimum of 2 separate barriers to the well. In this case they had 3.

1. Cement plug tested in both direction. That means from above and from bellow. The test form bellow is referred to as a negative test (inflow test). Because they displace the mud above the cement plug to get a pressure differential. They do that by placing the drill pipe at a specific calculated depth, and displace the well with a lower mud wight,so that the total hydrostatic pressure would be less. Than the derrick man at the shakers observe if there is a flow of mud coming out on the shakers and into the pit. The pit has a measuring glass which the derrick man can measure the return volume or the loss of volume.

2. Mud. The mud in the well is the primary barrier, because it is constantly being observed by the derrick man at the shakers/pit. The mud's function is to establish a hydrostatic pressure that is higher than the expected pressure at set depth. And the Mud is constantly being measured and weighed by the Mud engineer. The mud usually have a hydrostatic pressure that is about 10 to 20 bar above expected pressure at TD.

3. The BOP. The BOP is within drilling always the seconds barrier on a well.
The fluid/mud and cemented casing are the primary barriers.

Under this operation. The reservoir engineers (BP) and driller made some very fatal calculations and judgments.

Now, Keep in mind that a well always must have at least two barriers to the well. What happened was that the primary barrier "MUD" was replaced by sea water. This was a decision made by the BP re-soar engineer.

Sea water has lover density (weight) than MUD. Thereby you get a much lover hydrostatic pressure in the well.

The cement plug needs at least 12 - 24 hours to harden. before it can be pressure tested from above. If you test a cement plug before it has properly harden/settled. The pressure applied by the pressure test from above will create channels through the cement plug. A displacement to a lighter fluid above the cement plug will do just the same. But it would be the gas migrating through the cement plug creating the channels/communication.

Now i dont know how long they let the cement plug settle. But personally i think this is where they made their firs mistake. Because it does explain why the gas was able to migrate up the well under the stage where they displaced the well to sea water.

To be able to displace the well to sea water they have to place the pipe at about 7900 ft. Just above the cement plug. And than pump sea water down through the pipe and take the return out through the pit/shakers.

The gas was first discovered at the Shaker by the derrick man. Because the gas migrated with the mud being displaced by sea water. And when the gas reached the shakers, Yeah well you get one hell of a mess.

The derrick man called up the driller at the drill Flore and explained that he needed help. Because the gas was spraying mud allover the place. This is where the driller made a fatal mistake. He opened the annular preventer and probably killed him self the in the process. Because of the force the gas pushed the fluid out of the rotary table. Which is located smack in from to the dog house. The rotary table is usually not more than a few meters away from the dog house.

I dont know if i really have to explain this in any more details, because personally i dont believe any of you understand what i am really talking about.





You're verse in the subject matter alright... Granted, this is not my profession, but common sense would dictate utilizing mud for a considerably longer time frame than sea water. To this point... Some details of your statement were brought up inside a congressional hearing. Your version of what took place is by far the best explanation I've heard. Now if you could only provide further insight into how long the concrete plug was set before the explosion... I do find this striking mainly because of the fact BP, Trans, and Halliburton were unable or unwilling to explain such details to congress. Perhaps you're able to calculate the volume of oil and gas this hole is spewing into the Gulf. You have my attention from now on...



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 11:47 PM
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Getting a time frame on the cement plug should not be that hard for the authority to obtain, because the cementing of a liner would be covered by many channels and meetings both onshore and on the rig. There would be a procedure and a time estimate documented both onshore and on the rig.

The time estimate is updated every shift as a written document.

The rig and onshore personnel have constant communication with each other when a important part of a job like setting and testing a liner is happening.

The lab which is responsible for making and calculating the settling time of the cement plug is always located onshore. Because the cement must always be properly tested to the pressure and fluid it is going to be applied to (TD pressure and MUD).

Now this is usually done 12 hours in advance, but this is also repeated just before the cementer on the rig makes up the correct cement solution.

To get a exact time frame of the cement job. All they have to do is call the cementer. Or the Lab which created the cement solution.

But if they haven't gotten it by now they never will. What ever is documented on the rig is also documented onshore. Pressure charts and the whole pumping sequence, is always emailed to the onshore office for confirmation. The cementer always makes a report of the cement job and the cementer is also responsible for testing the cement plug. And this test must be on a chart. A barrier test always have to be documented and confirmed.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:02 AM
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I could probably calculate how much oil and gas that is coming out. But to do that i would need depth to seabed and well production pressure (or reservoir pressure) and casing size ID (inner diameter pr. feet). And if there is still pipe inside the well i would need to know how much volume the pipe displaces as well. The pipe would act like a choke.

I don't have any of that information.

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:04 AM
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Wasn't this guy on Alex Jones the other day? Good stuff!



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 10:19 AM
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The time estimate is updated every shift as a written document. The rig and onshore personnel have constant communication with each other when a important part of a job like setting and testing a liner is happening.


Well they don't, so they're either incompetent or avoiding any further action incriminating themselves. We've been told several hours of logs went down with the rig... No onshore records mirrored these logs as they were originals.



But if they haven't gotten it by now they never will. What ever is documented on the rig is also documented onshore. Pressure charts and the whole pumping sequence, is always emailed to the onshore office for confirmation. The cementer always makes a report of the cement job and the cementer is also responsible for testing the cement plug. And this test must be on a chart. A barrier test always have to be documented and confirmed.


Again, if you follow this ordeal closely... Now records don't seem to exist for the 2nd test as well as those logs sinking with the rig.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by spy66
I could probably calculate how much oil and gas that is coming out. But to do that i would need depth to seabed and well production pressure (or reservoir pressure) and casing size ID (inner diameter pr. feet). And if there is still pipe inside the well i would need to know how much volume the pipe displaces as well. The pipe would act like a choke.

I don't have any of that information.

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]


How about a visual reference in the video we have of this gusher? Look to page 1... It's on there.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by drkid
Wasn't this guy on Alex Jones the other day? Good stuff!


That news to me. I'm not a fan of AJ, but he's touched on two stories I posted on ATS within the last few weeks... Check this story out too (related to the Deadly Oregon Fungus):

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 11:21 AM
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If you give me a few hours i might be able to make a rough estimate of how much oil is coming out. I have managed to get some information about the production liner and the casing size used in this well.

I am still waiting for more info. So hang on for a while



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by Americanist
 


If you give me a few hours i might be able to make a rough estimate of how much oil is coming out. I have managed to get some information about the production liner and the casing size used in this well.

I am still waiting for more info. So hang on for a while


You got it... Here's from today:



Company engineers were trying to move the 6-inch tube into the leaking 21-inch pipe, known as the riser. The smaller tube will be surrounded by a stopper to keep oil from leaking into the sea. BP said it hopes to know by Friday evening if the tube succeeds in siphoning the oil to a tanker at the surface.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 12:24 PM
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I do understand exactly what you are talking about
very well said

additionally, the pressure values reported in various places vary greatly
30,000 -170,000 psi for a long time it was either a 5" or a 5' pipe
now its 21 inches calculating ANYTHING with those kinds of variables ends up with uncertainties in measurement almost as big as the calculated numbers, themselves

thanks,

dr

[edit on 14-5-2010 by dr dodge]



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 04:55 PM
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Sorry guys but i have nothing. No one is talking, because there is a very big blaming game going on behind the curtains. Its all about the money and people are afraid of their jobs.



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