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reply posted on 13-5-2010 @ 09:40 AM by whaaa
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I see the problem slightly differently. The people inherently drawn into politics, view themselves as special, leaders, elite, superior to the rabble, ambitious and controlling; and thus deserving of the spoils gained thru backroom deals and corruption.

Even a third party will attract the same kind of people that inhabit the GOP and Dembs. Glorified student counsel types; in love with the sound of their own voice.

If the American voter actually had the ability to make critical decisions and not be swayed by the media; both right and left; the politicians might listen and abandon their theater of the absurd.

but...

It has been proven over and over again that the American voter is so easily manipulated, it's almost comedic if it weren't so tragic. Feed them lies over and over and they believe the most outlandish BS you can imagine and never question or look behind the curtain to see the real puppet masters who are the leaders in industry, banking and organized crime. MONEY

If the political structure is to be changed; the economic structure must be changed first and that will not be an easy task.

edit to add.....I do believe that multiple parties of all different flavors need to be recognized; for the entertainment value, if nothing else because that is what American politics has become; a circus, populated by clowns, charlatans and fools.












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reply posted on 13-5-2010 @ 10:11 AM by dolphinfan
A third party would be a good thing, as would a 4th and 5th. It would do a couple of things, notably removing the influence of the political extremes as they push the nominating party. Right now both party candidates run to the extreme to get the base out to win the nomination and then race back to the center to win the election. A moderate party might balance that and actually drive the other party candidates to shine the extremes on and then actually compete for the moderates.

The other benefit would be grid lock. The less the government does the better and the time it would take to build a governing coalition in a three party system and the level of comprehensive negotiating that would be required would mean more moderate legislation.

The current health care legislation would never have been passed were there to be a legitimate 3rd party.

The challenge is political infrastructure. The imbedded money and organizational machines are so wedded to the two partys that it would be difficult to either create one that could compete with them or break them up.

You also need a viable third party candidate and that is not Ron Paul, Rob Barr or Alan Keyes. These gents are all either two extreme or too old in the case of Paul to be considered a viable presidential candidated.

The third party would not have to be huge, only 5-8% of the electorate and that would swing the election. Perhaps with the internet it would be possible to overcome the fundraising problems.

I make it happen, you need to have happen what happened when Perot ran, a super rich gent who is welling to shell out a ton of dough. Perot only spent to get himself into power. You'd need someone who was willing to spend the money to create a party with the first candidate as an after thought with the sole purpose to create legitimacy and then make it an on-going concern, not a one time deal.



reply posted on 13-5-2010 @ 10:17 AM by sdcigarpig
A third party might be a solution, but it is not going to solve anything at this time, as it is just a bandaide. After taking a bit of time to think on this, the solution, and it is going to be one that will end up having to hurt in the long run, is to vote out all incumbents across the board. You see, by constanently voting a person back into office, it sends several messages, one being that the person with the most money can win all of the time, and a person can get comfortable in the seat he or she occupies. They tend to forget the one thing that got them there in the first place, that is that the elected official is there at the will of the people, not off of special interest. By voting out incumbents on a regular basis sends a far greater message, and that is don't get too used to being there, cause in the next election you will not be considered. Now does it mean we just abandon them to the wind, no, but if they do a good job, move them up the political ladder or send them on their way if they did not go a good job.
Most politicians, from what I have heard, once they get into office, a majority of their time is spent on getting relected, rather than doing a good job for which they were hired to do. Ask yourself this, if you were a manager of a store or a company and you had an employee like any number of the politicians, would you keep that person around or fire them?
More people need to think in terms like that, and see how quickly the government changes for the better.


reply posted on 13-5-2010 @ 07:10 PM by lurk114
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if you guys really want to help this situation go talk to your elecited officals im personaly an anarchist addind a third party is a midly good idea though but what would also help is cut the goverments size down its gotten too big


reply posted on 13-5-2010 @ 07:10 PM by lurk114
reply to post by truth?



if you guys really want to help this situation go talk to your elecited officals im personaly an anarchist addind a third party is a midly good idea though but what would also help is cut the goverments size down its gotten too big


reply posted on 13-5-2010 @ 07:10 PM by lurk114
reply to post by truth?



if you guys really want to help this situation go talk to your elecited officals im personaly an anarchist addind a third party is a midly good idea though but what would also help is cut the goverments size down its gotten too big

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