[RUMOR] Germany to give up euro friday, page
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Topic started on 12-5-2010 @ 01:35 PM by ickylevel
As I say it's only a rumor (I don't believe it will happen, personnaly, but it's interesting).

From this link (zerohedge) :
www.zerohedge.com...

No quotes because I have a pizza on the fire :

A web page of precious metals prices provider Kitco.com has sparked rumors that Germany will leave the Eurozone and reintroduce German Marks, sending gold to a new record of $1,244 and silver to a multi-year high of $19.64.
It is this half-ready page shown below that has created excitement as it lists precious metals in Deutschmark units.
German website Silber.de had another market-sparkling comment from a forum participant who said goldprice.org has reintroduced a DEM option since about a week. Check it out here.

And there is still more material feeding the rumour. German leftist politician Gregor Gysi announced on TV that there may be an important announcement to be made on Friday. The video below is in German.

In a literal translation Gysi did not say that Germany will reintroduce the Mark but made a curiosity-inspiring statement, saying that there may be some very important news that will be announced on Friday.
The hottest trail can be found at website godlikeproductions.com. A poster claiming to be an employee of Deutsche Bank wrote that the bank received a container full with new German Marks banknotes and coins. He wrote he will publish a picture of the new Marks on Thursday morning. He also said the currency change would happen this weekend with German chancellor Angela Merkel scheduled to give a speech to the nation on Friday evening.
As we see the rapid destruction of the next fiat currency - all of them have failed in the past 3 centuries - rocketing precious metals prices prove once more there is no other safe haven when the going gets really tough.

[edit on 12-5-2010 by ickylevel]


reply posted on 12-5-2010 @ 02:03 PM by ickylevel
Some content :


link to www.financialsense.com


Germany is a nation that fears inflation for good historical reason, and among the nations of the world, Germany places a particularly high priority on price stability. Yet, so long as Germany remains in the European Economic and Monetary Union (EMU) with the euro as its currency, Germany may not be in control of German inflation. In particular, the current crisis with Greece, and the crises that may follow with other nations such as Portugal, Italy, Spain and Ireland may prove disastrous for German investors and taxpayers. For so long as it is in the EMU, Germany may have no effective choice but to bail out countries that have been running up huge deficits – despite Germany itself not having the economic capacity to do this for all of Europe on an indefinite basis, let alone the political will to do so. These are among the reasons why in a letter to clients late last week, Morgan Stanley warned that Germany may leave the euro and the EMU and that investors should be prepared for this event.


If this event happens, it may create an enormous financial windfall for millions of individual Germans, as well as German companies, not to mention the German government. While leaving the monetary union is still far from certain as Germany also has strong economic and political incentives to stay in the EMU, in this article we will say “what if” and explore some of the startling benefits for nations and individuals of quickly exiting a failing monetary union – as well as the many perils. But while the specifics of this article are about Germany (and France), the implications go far beyond Germans and Germany (although there are very important implications for arbitrage opportunities with German companies). Rather, in this world of financial crisis and sovereign debt crisis, there are powerful related wealth and financial security implications for individuals in every country.

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The rest at :
www.financialsense.com...


reply posted on 12-5-2010 @ 02:07 PM by ickylevel
This could be a way to reduce their debt :



First let's consider the current German government situation. Total outstanding government debt in Germany is equal to about 1.7 trillion euros, and as of 2009, equaled about 77% of the German GDP (according to the CIA World Factbook). Now let's assume that Germany does exit the economic and monetary union, and when it does so, it creates new Deutsche marks that are exchangeable one for one at the valuation for euros as of that exit date. After the exit of Germany, let's make the reasonable assumption that Germany's economy remains strong, at least relative to much of the rest of Europe. Let's also assume that with Germany exiting, and perhaps France exiting behind it, that the European monetary union is left with the weaker members where the world in general and investors in particular are quite unsure about the ability of these nations to repay their debts. So the euro plunges.

For our scenario, we’ll assume an immediate sharp drop of the euro in the neighborhood of 30-40% when Germany exits the EMU, relative to the new Deutsche mark. This value differential is assumed to rapidly increase as an inflation differential builds, and more strong nations leave the euro. After the passage of a period of time – and it could be months or could be years – we'll assume the currency exchange rate is now 10 euros for every Deutsche mark. In other words, we'll assume that the euro loses 90% of its value relative to the Deutsche mark. (This assumption is not a precise projection, there are cases for higher and lower projections, but it does have the virtues of being a round number and reasonable.)

With this scenario, Germany's euro-denominated national debt is now worth 10% of what it was when we look at things in Deutsche mark terms rather than the euro, and keep in mind that the German government income from taxes is in Deutsche marks, rather than euros. Germany is now repaying debt at 10 cents on the dollar (so to speak) and the value of its outstanding debt has fallen from 1.7 trillion euros down to 170 million Deutsche marks – a 90% reduction in net debt. Thus, German national debt (ignoring any new debt issuance) as a percentage of the German economy has dropped from 77% of German GDP down to 7.7% of German GDP.




reply posted on 12-5-2010 @ 02:22 PM by curioustype
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Also, factor in the new UK (Likely to remain dislocated in Sterling NOT Euro and do everything they can to distance themselves from the Euro) government AND stories about the UKs renewed distancing from the new Euro insurance scheme pact AND wasn't it French NOT German criticism that we have been hearing about that UK positioning...AND all that disquiet in the German media about Greece/PIGS, I don't know, I wouldn't rule this out?

Don't like what it may mean for Europe though. Had such a thing (Euro disassembly/redirectioning) all happened a few years ago, perhaps immediately pre/post Maastricht?) it may have not been so bad. But with the current gobal political and resource issues, in concert with the massively unresolved global financial meltdown, this has all the wrong types of potential flashing up on the dashboard IMO. I don't think Winston Churchill would like it either if he were here. I just hope we can maintain peace across Europe, there are a lot more countries involved now than there were when Churchill was simply trying to hold together the Western European nations post WWII, and I wonder about how that may affect the Ex-Soviet Block/Russian/French arena?

Ho hum, and anyone for a renewal of German nationalism, perfect timing...


reply posted on 12-5-2010 @ 02:30 PM by curioustype
reply to post by boondock-saint



Might it be a question of which (currently Euro) countries are and which aren't given that credit facility, and who may step in to fill the EDIT:[financial support] void for the less fortunate countries, and then perhaps a cue for aspirational Russian/Chinese strategic infiltration (a-la Argentina?...)

Yes, perhaps Germany is seeing the UK direction, perhaps re-clarified via the new government selection, as a more attractive escape route from otherwise attempting to prop up the entire Euro zone - or get trashed with it...?

[edit on 12-5-2010 by curioustype]

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