Originally posted by neformore
Firstly, I don't know about political madess but there is som poster madness going on here - the childish bickering stops now
You guys need to think about this one some more. British politics is no where near as partisan, and does not reach the levels of fanaticism
and, frankly, rabid insanity displayed by some posters during the last US election period that led to the formation of the US political madness
You're right - there is certainly a massive gulf between the two electoral systems. But I would put forward the idea that we are in still in an
election campaign. Having a hung parliament in the UK is like suspended animation of the election - sooner or later, it's going to fail, and when it
does an election will be triggered. During this time, especially with the new spirit of politics this has engendered, we are going to see political
vitriol constantly about the different factions.
Then there's the issue of the low-level trickle effect of racist hate-speech. I know intimately how this is performed, because I'm involved with a
UK political party that propounds this sort of behaviour. They dress up anti-muslim and xenophobic sentiments behind the guise of anti-political
correctness statements and legitimate concerns about immigration - much like we're seeing in the US now. The problem we have on ATS is that this is
never addressed as the underlying racism that it clearly is. If the 'politics' of the situation was discussed, I'd be inclined to debate these
people - but it never is, because they're mad with rage that (according to the Daily Mail) their so-called 'culture' is being eroded singularly by
THIS is why I think we need a British Political Madness forum - because the people participating in political discussions don't seem to be able to
seperate their hatred of Muslims away from the politics of the situation.
This is MAD! Moreover, it needs to be ring-fenced, and moderated.
Now I know that stuff is an unpleasant truth, but its there. Frankly we do things differently and (sorry to say this US politico's) most of
the time its less extreme and more civilised - and I hope it stays that way.
I agree - in many circumstances, but the problem is that the British are more eloquent at hiding what they actually mean. For example, the laughable
situation with this Mosque in Birmingham that has recently been cancelled because the white supremacists and anti-Muslim folk intimidated the owners
into cancelling it. The pro-cancellation groups tried to hide their racist sentiments behind the planning issue and also 'local democracy'.
I actually privately agreed that the mosque shouldn't be built if the local government said no, and that more consideration should've been given to
local concerns. However, there was no point in agreeing with these people when their main argument was - "Dirty Muslims in their burkha's with
their 'effin Koran causing all us good, moral Christian white folk trouble!"
THAT is madness! And THAT is the sort of speech that I see time and time again NOT being dealt with or labelled as 'off-topic' or contained within
a British Political Madness forum. Of course there will be other topics and subjects that can go that way as well - we don't have to limit it to
hate-speech, anti-muslim craziness and white-supremacy talk.
I'd sincerely love to be able to talk about the nuances of immigration policy and education, and welfare, and a plethora of OTHER politics. WITHOUT
hearing about how it's all the Muslims' fault, and what the good, moral Christian white people of 'Little-England' would like to do to them. But
we can't, so surely there's a need here?