Europe tells Britain not to ask for help in a crisis

reply to post by nik1halo


Have drank Fuller's before, it's ok.

I like my beer REALLY cold and have double chilled my draught beer before....everyone else loved it too.

And I assure you, I drink lot's of it!

As for Cameron and Clegg...I don't know....check out both of their backgrounds....Rotschilds etc, pro EU i'm afraid methinks.

reply to post by Freeborn


Yeah, that really is a shame, I was hoping we could get a little freedom from the EU after the election (naive, I know, but one can hope). The Tories were actually always quite anti-Europe, but they have had to concede some things and soften up on some of their policies because the Lib Dems are sooo Pro Europe.

As for beer, I have to admit to having a real soft spot for Bombardier. I could drink that stuff all day... and probably have at some point

We've actually got some really nice micro breweries here in the West Mids and we've M&B's, which is quite tasty. Unfortunately, we also came up with Banks's, which is toilet water IMO. The best one from round here I've tried is called Coal 'Ole. It's a jet black ale and 8.7%. Very nice, but a bit lethal!

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

I must admit, I've never had the pleasure of Harvey's, and I have drank the length and breadth of this great Union of our's!

Cliche I know, but none the less true, Southern beers tend to be too warm and too flat for me...I like my beer cold and with a head!

I may just take you up on that offer one day my friend,

I think Cameron and Clegg would bottle it and not offer us a referendum.
They know that it would be a close run thing, (the vast majority of people I know want to come out of the EU).

Listen to the people?
Only when suits!

Well, the love of Haveys ales has inspired boycotts and controversy hence my defence of the local Southern brew

I honestly agree with you on the EU, I vote LibDem and am still a little Englander to some *shrugs* I'm not sure how I would feel tho if it was a democratic union.. perhaps more in favour, not sure..

But to be sure, the Tories have equally wrecked this neck of the woods as they have yours, decimating the little industry we have, and selling the remainder to the highest bidder, of which labour has followed the exact same polices (hence them only get 5% of the local vote)

I hope the moderating force of the LibDems will ensure the Tories don't take the same path they did before in support of the rich, and in reverse I hope the Tories moderate the LibDems on Europe (I can hope)

Originally posted by glen200376
reply to post by stumason

 

Did you read the article?It said 'Britain'!So stop moaning ''everyone has it in for England''-Bloody Sasanach!

Did YOU read the article? The French guy they quoted having his rant specifically mentioned England. Go back and have another read before going postal and using racial insults.

It's exactly the same thing you Scots get uppity about when people refer to the Uk as England, you don't like being "left out" and we don't like being "singled out".

In fact, not only did you obviously not read the article properly, you didn't read the post you quoted me from properly, as I put the French guys quote in there for all to see!

Free tuition fee's hasn't helped you out much, has it?

[edit on 13/5/10 by stumason]

Maybe we can leave the racial insults out of this thread. There's been enough of this recently on ATS without bringing it into one of my threads.

Let's concentrate on the story without slagging off other members! Everyone has their own opinions.

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Here's an example of what the Eurozone countries are giving up over the next few years -

SPAIN

Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said Madrid would slash civil service pay by 5 percent this year, freeze it in 2011, cut investment spending and pensions and axe 13,000 public sector jobs in a drive to meet EU deficit targets.

The announcement came two days after euro zone governments, the European Central Bank and the IMF agreed on a $1 trillion rescue package to stabilize the euro in exchange for pledges by highly indebted countries to pare down their deficits.

After months in denial about the need for tougher measures, Zapatero announced an estimated 15 billion euros ($19.05 billion) in additional savings this year and next, sparking anger from trade unions usually on good terms with his Socialist party.

www.reuters.com...

Portugal to announce measures shortly as well...

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this is just a idea.
I look around and it looks like a War is going on!
a financial war. it is a lot safer to the one who started it.
they are well prepared and no nukes
and chem bombs get dropt on them.
some say the oil platform was blown up.
that helps to destabilize USA.
some say Germany is pulling out of the Euro.
with what Britain is doing I don't blame them.
most of the world is owned by some company are such.
little fights have been going on for a long time.
this is the big one.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

Article 122 of the Lisbon Treaty:
1. Without prejudice to any other procedures provided for in the Treaties, the Council, on a proposal from the Commission, may decide, in a spirit of solidarity between Member States, upon the measures appropriate to the economic situation, in particular if severe difficulties arise in the supply of certain products, notably in the area of energy.

2. Where a Member State is in difficulties or is seriously threatened with severe difficulties caused by natural disasters or exceptional occurrences beyond its control, the Council, on a proposal from the Commission, may grant, under certain conditions, Union financial assistance to the Member State concerned. The President of the Council shall inform the European Parliament of the decision taken.

Could the section i've bolded there leave this open to a legal challenge? It's debatable at best whether this could be seen as being beyond the control of the Greek government. If anything it's largely of their own making.

[edit on 13-5-2010 by Chris McGee]

Originally posted by buddha

some say Germany is pulling out of the Euro.
with what Britain is doing I don't blame them.

What is Britain doing that makes you not blame Germany for pulling out of the Euro?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by nenothtu

 

OK I'll take German lager over British ale!
HEY! I have to be real here!

Well, Slayer, ANY beer is better than whine... I mean WINE, in my book.

I know of at least one relatively famous beer from each of several countries. It escapes me at the moment just what the French one is...

Maybe a Greek could tell me? I hear they're developing a 'special' relationship with the French...

I wonder if the Euros will be singing that tune if the Russians or the Germans get fed up with everyones nonsense and starting knocking heads again, but this time while they are on steroids?

I'm not trying to be funny either. We are backing the Germans financially and militarily and they may not be willing to take the weight and the Russians would like nothing better than to reclaim their loses from the end of the Cold War.

Who knows, let's just watch and see how it plays out.

reply to post by grantbeed


The division between nationaities is clear to see on this thread. Humanity is fragmented enough without falling victim to the right-wing propoganda on display in the article in question.

Even if this was the official stance of the French government, there is no reason for the British and French people to be so derogatory towards each other.

How is the world supposed to move forward when we still display such neanderthalic instincts?



[edit on 16-5-2010 by kangshung]

Originally posted by lilstu21

Originally posted by Vitchilo

I would rather live in hell than live in the UK.

Hear hear.

Although i am born and live in the UK..... I consider this place hell.

Remember, there's no such thing as heaven and hell. if there is the UK is Hell.

Where's heaven? It never existed.

In that case would you kindly explain why so may people are emigrating over here and why our immigration problem is so bad? I mean, if it's hell why are people moving here?

Side note, kudos to the mods for removing 'Vitchilo's' original anti-U.K rant (that name should start with a B)

reply to post by Hawkwind.


Hawkwind - Most people who whine about living in the UK probably have not experienced life in other countries. They don't know how lucky they are. Poor things are too busy complaining to actually see the world and appreciate how lucky they are. That’s why so many people want to live in the UK – because they know how good the UK is compared to wherever they are coming from.

Perpetual complainers be damned.

To topic... There have been several pieces in the papers in recent days about the discontent in Germany resulting from the Greek bailout and in particular the wave of negativity generated towards the EU. I very much doubt if one of the other PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain) sought a Greek-style bailout that they would get much sympathy from Germany.

Regards

Originally posted by Emphursis
Hopefully this will be the push needed for us to get completely out of the EU.

I hope you are right because the excuse given is if we quit we will loose trade we traded before we joined we would trade after lets get total control back sod the EURO

Twistreply to post by grantbeed

This is soo funy because the luftwaffe bombed Britain to hell and back, sunk the merchant shipping, made britts eat corned beef till the cows came home. Cause and effect. Why do Brits get blamed, they saved europe from hitler!

We can manage on our own. To quote Winston Churchill, " The British bulldogs nose in bent back, so he can breathe without having to let go."

Looking from the outside in (the US), the whole idea of the EU seemed destined to fail from the beginning.

And quite frankly, I don't see the reason for the EU to get pissy with Britain because it doesn't want to continue taking part in this charade.

I've been to Greece (Kerkira and Athens) and I've been to Italy (Trieste, Naples and Rome). They have nothing on the work ethic of workers from the US and UK. They want a life of leisure subsidized by the government, or in this case, the other nations of the EU. And when told they need some austerity measures and need to get their books in proper order, they riot (not Italy....yet, but I can see it coming).

I'm with Britain on this one. Screw the EU.