Originally posted by pteridine reply to post by
Smoke, The Russians have a pragmatic take on crimes against them and often teach by example.
I agree with you there as I recall the Moscow theatre hostage crisis in 2002 where the hostage takers were all buried after being sown into pig skin
bags. The tactic worked in that there were no more such crimes to take place of such a nature but hatred has grown into a beast that stalks the
borders of Russia with even greater ferocity.
Originally posted by pteridine This will help the pirates learn that attacking ships whose names are painted in the Cyrillic alphabet is
especually dangerous. The boat the pirates were cast adrift on was probably unseaworthy.
I think the boat the pirates were cast off in was probably not only unseaworthy but it was probably also aided in its way with a little target
practice too but this is just a suspicion. By the time the bodies wash up on shore barring becoming a food source to tropical oceanic fauna then they
will have been in the water so long that any life ending traumatic injuries caused by high calibre weaponry will be unrecognizable as flesh turns to
mush and slides off the bone, camouflaging all wounds of murder.
I am not siding with these pirates on any level all I am saying is that I find it reprehensible on every level that a military force can simply and
matter of factly think it is ok to just murder a bunch of people because they cannot prosecute them. Such actions as far as I can tell indicate that
there is only a passing nod to the rule of international maritime law. This law will be something to fall back on when it suits and when it does not
then just dismember with cannon fire because they are only pirates and no one will care? I know it is the Russians and all that and I know they are
very “Romulan” in their thinking but still; this is a shocking act even for them.
Originally posted by pteridine Silly pirates, sailing their boat into automatic cannon fire so far from shore. As to repercussions, if
the pirates murder crews then that will cause future crews to be armed to fight for their lives, making piracy more difficult.
If that is what they did then yes they did not exactly take care of their own lives or adhere to the natural laws that kick in when life is in danger
and self preservation comes to the fore. Future crews armed to the teeth though? That just means more carnage but now instead of carnage on land it is
in the sea too? I think that after 911 something died and everything hardened – another thing to die on that day was global innocence. Am I naive to
think we should not be going down this road in arming crews and escalating carnage out into the sea? Next we will be calling the conflict we find out
there a new front in the war on terror?
We are already beset with new fronts and in killing and maiming until we see it as “those dirty dogs got what they deserved” one day the same
could be said of us when we also find our backs against the wall and someone aims an automatic weapon at us and takes up the second pressure on the
It seems anything is possible in these times even one day to find a wall behind us.
Originally posted by pteridine This is about money, not murders. Killing crews would also remove the hostage protection that the pirates
now have from shock troops assaulting the stronghold or the prize ship.
Agreed this is always about money and even warfare I would think is all about money even if seen in the abstract and long term it is all carefully
mapped out and the only thing that sometimes usurps a carefully laid plan is the capacity of an enemy to be unpredictable. It is customary for the
outgunned and outnumbered to react in a theatre of war by doing something that was thought a distant possibility but never thought would become a
reality until it is right there in their face laying waste to their troops and plans. I think they call it an insurgency and guerrilla warfare always
seems to take the overly confident by surprise
Originally posted by pteridine One convenient solution is to allow the firefights to continue until there is no one left to shoot back
or make the first shots with serious naval guns. I'd bet our Russian friends have thought of these, too. Life is harsh for pirates and cattle
The problem is that big money seems to require a blood sacrifice and the people that get sacrificed all too often are always the poor and the
disenfranchised. When you throw in the uneducated then it seems obvious that the only thing that can happen as big business gets richer is that more
and more people bleed and hatred and alienation grow.
I do not think that we should just sell these factions weapons, give them military advice and training and then send them on their way and I do not
think we should just cast them aside as scum either. We should engage them with a goal to helping them in the short term with the overall goals being
a long terms free market where the disenfranchised and discarded can have a real chance to contribute to the international economy.
No heavy handed troops on the ground spanking all left right and center but to gain a workable trust and merge efforts to rebuild infrastructure,
respect customs and religion and showing the disenfranchised some real advantages that comes when high level aid comes from outside others in efforts
to help the ravaged help themselves.
I am not fan of free markets and big business and the soul crunching love of money I must say as along with organised religion money has caused much
grief but in the real world we need to see things in categories of lesser and greater evils. Personally I think that it is better to instruct the
alienated and ravaged peoples such things and include these people in this rather than slaughter them out of hand and then laugh, shrug and shout
“good riddance” in western online forums.
If we try and help them rebuild their country (not boots on the ground) then are we also not making an effort to help ourselves too because a rebuilt
and included country would deal with their indigenous pirates much more effectively than hunting them down and butchering them as they are found by
cynical warship commanders.
What are we going to do otherwise just keep machine gunning them until they have had enough? It is not going to happen, they will adapt, harden their
hearts and hit back in ever merciless and blood thirsty ways that we have no anticipated yet – escalation, death, misery – it never ends but we
always choose to forget that and think that this time it will end.
Shock and awe tactics do not work!