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Why all the Islamaphobia in the UK?

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posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:06 PM
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Ok I have read enough stories on here, other forums and in the media, it is just getting to the point it is disgusting, plain and simple.

First off, England and the rest of the UK is a SECULAR! (learn what that means ppl) state!!! So for all those racist masquerading as patriotic white people, stop claiming your hate and anger is against Islam taking over this country, it is not, since this country has no religion. the day you see a muslim Prime Minister pushing for Islam as the national religion, then get back to us with this stupid argument.

Second off, you see new Sikh and Hindu Temples popping up all over the place, as well as Jewish Synagogs, yet no one is crying there? In fact the Sikh and Hindu communities in the UK are larger than the Muslim communities, only difference is, they tend to buy houses in any area they wish, therefore they are spread out all over the country. The muslims tend to try and buy in predominent muslim areas, so the problem looks like a big invasion to the rest of the British community, when in fact they just wish to live near fellow muslims and the mosques in those communities. In fact there is nothing wrong in wanting to live near fellow muslim if your a muslim, it is just the same as "white flight" where lots of white British people flea any area minorities move into, just so they can stay living near white people!

Finally, you see so many people crying about how the government is making it better for muslims, giving them houses etc etc. But in reality, you see many run down communities revitalised by the influx of the muslim community, prime example is Birmingham! Many areas were just ghost towns untill the muslims came in, with drive and ambition, they made a good community out of nothing, turned run down shopping parades into bustling with business parades. then with the monies they earned, invested in those businesses, bought houses etc etc. But here you have racist and ignorant people claiming all this hard work was nothing more than stealing YOUR houses and businesses from YOU! Anyone who come to the UK and works hard, earns a good living and pays toward this SECULAR society has the right to have that hard work acknowledged, not belittled by claiming they are nothing more than thieves stealing from white hands.

If the White community is so down trodden and defeated, why complain and channel your hate to anyone but yourself? YOUR the reason you think the government benefits are easier than having to work for a living. YOUR the reason jobs become "below you" and therefore let them be filled by hardworking people willing to take any job. YOUR the reason you let communities die and be free to anyone who wanted to take them. YOUR the reason you let slime ball politicians sell you out to Europe and any migrant who wants to come here free. Yet all the blame is simply shoved aside onto the muslims, the easy way to absolve yourself of your guilt and vent your anger and frustration.

Well believe it or not, muslims are also human, just as you have all this pent up anger, hate confusion, they too have the same feelings, eventually you will see the next genrations anger and hatred grow, just as it has in white people, generation after generation. Eventually you will see what happened in the Bradford Riots as common place, then you will see areas of England turn into no go areas for whites or muslims etc. Is that the kind of free and democratic SECULAR society you all want to be a part of? If not learn to get along with your fellow human, be he/she Muslim, Sikh, Jew, Christian. If you cannot do that and let your hate and anger go too far, you will not lose this country to a muslim invasion, you will lose it to the far right invasion!

Which would be better, a fair and just society treating all as equal or a totalarian hate mongering society, where those in power can justify anything against anyone for any reason? choose now or let the future generatrions feel the percussions.

[edit on 11-5-2010 by Saf85]




posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:09 PM
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You've managed to yell secular quite a few times, but you have to realize, the majority of muslims don't want the UK to be a SECULAR country anymore, that probably contributes to anti islam ideas.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:15 PM
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Any proof for this claim? As far as I am aware (minus the far right hate speach minority, which every commmunity has, BNP anyone?), the only thing Muslims have asked for, is the right to settle their own legal arguments such as family law in an islamic way, just as the Jewish community is allowed to settle thier legal issues between each other under Jewish law. How is that wanting the country to stop being secular?


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posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by Saf85
First off, England and the rest of the UK is a SECULAR! (learn what that means ppl) state!!!


England is not secular. It has a state church.


Second off, you see new Sikh and Hindu Temples popping up all over the place, as well as Jewish Synagogs, yet no one is crying there? In fact the Sikh and Hindu communities in the UK are larger than the Muslim communities


Think hard about that. If the whites are as racsist as you accuse them of being why are they leaving the sikhs, hindus and jews alone. Could it be Islam really is causing a problem.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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First off, yes England is secular, your state church is just an remnant of the good ol monarchy and collonial days. Who do your politicians swear an oath to, God or the King/Queen?

Second off, no one cries about the Jewish or Sikh and Hindu communities, because as a I stated above, these communities are not so pickey as to where they live, whereas the muslims tend to try and stay togther as much as possible, so they stick out like a sore thumb in comparison. Since they stick out like a sore thumb, people take more notice of what they do, what car they drive, what house they live in, what business they own etc.

Heck even the Polish communit is getting as much fire if not more than muslims, why? Becuase they are willing to take any work they can get unlike most conceited white people? So maybe the Polish are also causing some trouble for the British? Heck the British cannot be wrong now can they, so it must be just the muslims and the polish etc causing the issues?

If you were to stick each minority into a basket, I am sure the muslim basket would not be anywhere near as full as some other minorities in terms of success and wealth etc.

[edit on 11-5-2010 by Saf85]



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by Saf85
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Any proof for this claim? As far as I am aware (minus the far right hate speach minority, which every commmunity has, BNP anyone?), the only thing Muslims have asked for, is the right to settle their own legal arguments such as family law in an islamic way, just as the Jewish community is allowed to settle thier legal issues between each other under Jewish law. How is that wanting the country to stop being secular?

You haven't seen the protests by islamic fundamentalists wanting to completely assimilate the entire british culture in favor of sharia law?



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:40 PM
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First off... it's your own fault for wanting to bring your own state into another state.

Secondly... it's you who want your seperate ways and division...

I'm not even white and even i see the cause of the problem is the religion itself.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Saf85
Ok I have read enough stories on here, other forums and in the media, it is just getting to the point it is disgusting, plain and simple.

First off, England and the rest of the UK is a SECULAR! (learn what that means ppl) state!!! So for all those racist masquerading as patriotic white people, stop claiming your hate and anger is against Islam
[edit on 11-5-2010 by Saf85]


OK, I got this far in your thread and began to see it for what it is.
So white people cannot be muslim?
Only white people are racist?

Atten moderators, this thread needs to be moved to RANT.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by Saf85
reply to post by Mesmerizer
 


First off, yes England is secular, your state church is just an remnant of the good ol monarchy and collonial days. Who do your politicians swear an oath to, God or the King/Queen?

Second off, no one cries about the Jewish or Sikh and Hindu communities, because as a I stated above, these communities are not so pickey as to where they live, whereas the muslims tend to try and stay togther as much as possible, so they stick out like a sore thumb in comparison. Since they stick out like a sore thumb, people take more notice of what they do, what car they drive, what house they live in, what business they own etc.

Heck even the Polish communit is getting as much fire if not more than muslims, why? Becuase they are willing to take any work they can get unlike most conceited white people? So maybe the Polish are also causing some trouble for the British? Heck the British cannot be wrong now can they, so it must be just the muslims and the polish etc causing the issues?

If you were to stick each minority into a basket, I am sure the muslim basket would not be anywhere near as full as some other minorities in terms of success and wealth etc.

[edit on 11-5-2010 by Saf85]


Have you ever been to England...? Actually, have you ever been to planet Earth?

Gosh, the sky must really be pink on your planet.

I live right here in England.

I have seen a MASSIVE influx of non-native Muslims. They move in to communities and drive out the people living there. It doesn't matter if they are Hindus, Jews, Christians, etc. The Muslims move in, you move out.

How do I know this? Well, a very close friend of mine used to live in Bradford in Yorkshire, ENGLAND. She heard a commotion outside her home one afternoon, and went to the front door to see what the problem was.

A young man (probably no older than eighteen), pointed a gun at her and yelled: "You, Christian bitch. Go away, stop looking." Shortly afterward this same youth arrived on the scene again and was ranting at her "Leave town, or you are next". This was one of the children of a local Imam.... so much for being taught peace and tolerance.

A lady that comes to the shop I work in told me about her son. He used to live in the South of England. That is until he was attacked by a gang of Muslims who had just come from a mosque. They didn't like him walking through "their neighbourhood, because he was white scum". So they kicked seven shades of $hite out of him. After they tired of beating him they told him "You may have your Queen, but we have your country".

As yourself, why people do not like Muslims.... Ask yourself what planet you actually live on.

I've had dealings with Muslims. On the surface they are nice people... deep down, they aren't. If you aren't one of them, they don't want to know you. Most of the time they merely tolerate you, and that's it.

I've seen it first hand.

Why do they behave like this? Simple... it's the book they are forced to accept and live by from a very early age. It's the book that's the problem. Otherwise, I'm sure that they'd all be lovely people. I've read the book too, and it's got some interesting commandments in it - that's for sure.

Oh, and as for England being Secular... Could you possibly explain why it is that within a one mile radius of my home there are six different CHRISTIAN churches??? I live in a small town, and it's normal for there to be a number of churches.

Oh, another reason we don't have a problem with Jews, Hindus, Sheiks, etc. is that when they want to open a temple/church they carefully plan where it should go, in order not to upset the community.

Muslims don't do this... if there's a pub nearby, they have it shut down (or burned down - as I have witnessed). If there's a Christian Church nearby, they demand it be shut, because it's "offensive" to them.

Peace? Tolerance? I think not.

Grow up, wake up.

I'm not racist either, before you start. I love other cultures, I love all peoples, I despise a people that wants to erase my culture from the face of the Earth....

[edit on 11-5-2010 by dampnickers]



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Violater1

Originally posted by Saf85
Ok I have read enough stories on here, other forums and in the media, it is just getting to the point it is disgusting, plain and simple.

First off, England and the rest of the UK is a SECULAR! (learn what that means ppl) state!!! So for all those racist masquerading as patriotic white people, stop claiming your hate and anger is against Islam
[edit on 11-5-2010 by Saf85]


OK, I got this far in your thread and began to see it for what it is.
So white people cannot be muslim?
Only white people are racist?

Atten moderators, this thread needs to be moved to RANT.


Good point. Which reminds me... there's famous WHITE Muslim... his details are here:
uk.ask.com...



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:49 PM
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wow a lot of steam here.

Anyway the reason some "white" and "British people" are so called racist is because a lot of people were given UK nationality even though they were not in this country for 5 years, this being given privileges they should not yet have.

It makes it worse when they come in and take the jobs, because that's what a majority of them come here for.... jobs.....

This is just my idea on it, but seriously the area i live in didn't have many Muslims or black people, but recently the place has just exploded with them, getting council houses straight off and people who have lived in this area being refused a council house even though they get one straight away.... Now tell me that is not unfair!



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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Touché this is along the lines i was trying to get at but i didnt want to say it so blatantly, but oh well.

You saying about gangs, im sure if you checked all media regarding gang shootings, deaths and so on you will see near enough all maybe even ALL of the people who used the guns/weapons to kill and or wound were muslim/jews etc.

One way of looking at it is, they come in, we tolerate, they kick off, we moan, they moan, we get arrested for it.

Anyway how come you cant be racist if your black and speak down to a white person? Same context different color.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by Ibex08
reply to post by dampnickers
 


Touché this is along the lines i was trying to get at but i didnt want to say it so blatantly, but oh well.

...

Anyway how come you cant be racist if your black and speak down to a white person? Same context different color.



Two points:

1) I didn't mean to steal your thunder, but this subject really gets my goat.

2) As for being racist and black... [begin sarcasm] that's so not true... you can't be black and racist... it's just not possible. You must be a racist for suggesting such a thing. [end sarcasm]

[edit on 11-5-2010 by dampnickers]



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 07:02 PM
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This anti islam , anti muslim rants are getting a bit too much .

If Islam was as bad as you all make it sound , it would not have taken root in the hearts of 1.5 billion of earth .


Muslims in UK have no political power .




posted on May, 11 2010 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by 23432


Muslims in UK have no political power .



Muslims have no political power? Are you bereft of the ability to do any research?

undhimmi.com... VOTE RIGGING!

www.theinsider.org... VOTE RIGGING!

www.asiancommunity.net... VOTE RIGGING! Quote from the article: "The Muslim community can wield influence without losing their identity, utilise their voice to help the liberation of the Muslim world from colonial subservience" Where in Britian are they in a "subservient colony"???

www.thisislondon.co.uk... VOTE RIGGING!

MUSLIM MP's: www.guardian.co.uk...
www.guardian.co.uk...
www.timesonline.co.uk...


[engage sarcasm]
Actually, you know what? You're right. Muslims have no political influence in the UK.... I'm obviously wrong.... [disengage sarcasm]


[edit on 11-5-2010 by dampnickers]



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 07:21 PM
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Maybe folks in the UK are worried when they see things like this


www.snopes.com...



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by 23432
If Islam was as bad as you all make it sound , it would not have taken root in the hearts of 1.5 billion of earth .


It has taken root in the hearts of 1.5 billion powerless people who see it as a way to gain ascendency over other groups.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by dampnickers

Originally posted by 23432


Muslims in UK have no political power .



Muslims have no political power? Are you bereft of the ability to do any research?

undhimmi.com... VOTE RIGGING!

www.theinsider.org... VOTE RIGGING!

www.asiancommunity.net... VOTE RIGGING! Quote from the article: "The Muslim community can wield influence without losing their identity, utilise their voice to help the liberation of the Muslim world from colonial subservience" Where in Britian are they in a "subservient colony"???

www.thisislondon.co.uk... VOTE RIGGING!

MUSLIM MP's: www.guardian.co.uk...
www.guardian.co.uk...
www.timesonline.co.uk...


[engage sarcasm]
Actually, you know what? You're right. Muslims have no political influence in the UK.... I'm obviously wrong.... [disengage sarcasm]


[edit on 11-5-2010 by dampnickers]





Thanks for the links .

I still insist that the muslims in UK have no political power to speak of .

Muslims in UK are largely from Indian subcontinent and they are legit remnants of the Empire days .

However , I will give you that the last 2 decades were actually mad with migration all over the world , including muslim countries themselves .

Movement of the people is required for the commerce .

NWO needs muslims too .



Maybe you want to try out for an elevated position to review the situation ?

Who knows ?



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 07:34 PM
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Point proven, why cant they stay in their own country and sort out their problems in their country instead of coming to ours, and attempting to make it their own....



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by 23432
Maybe you want to try out for an elevated position to review the situation ?

Who knows ?



You mean stand for election?

I've been there and done that... 2005 was when I last stood for Local election. I was supposed to be in the running for County elections in 2009, but because I refused to lie for the party I used to be a member of, I was asked for my resignation...

I don't do politics any more. I have discovered a much better way. www.tpuc.org
www.fmotl.com

[edit on 11-5-2010 by dampnickers]



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