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Even if they do not want to work, and use the welfare system, i still fully support it because obviously government's and charities are not doing enough.
Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by anonymousproxy
I believe your heart is in the right place but did have an issue with this:
This is a plan doomed to fail every single time. You cannot continue to add 'non-contributing takers' and expect there to be enough to go around forever.
How about this. Instead of creating more of an economic drain in a workable system (a nation of producers and contributors) by adding something dysfunctional (non contributing takers), we instead immigrate to the problem areas and show them our workable way of life?
Teach them how to fish, so to speak. Let's migrate to their host countries and teach them to duplicate the system they believe works and that which they yearn for?
I think mass migration to these countries to show them how to properly achieve such a system on their own would be more beneficial in the long run.
(And I'm purposely setting a bit of a snare here, in case it's not noticeable, to reverse the reasoning process).
Instead of bringing the broken into workable areas, why not bring the workable systems into broken areas? If you have a problem with that, then why?
migration is a contributing cause to the continuation of many third world countries problems
2. We are (currently) going through a recession, and "the recovery" remains far from stable. So it's stupid to, want to allow, "social unrest" "political discontent" to increase even more by forcing our nations children to compete for jobs against extra newly arrived persons
The only time we should give asylum on humanitarian grounds is when we know we are saving peoples lives, and that there stay can be temporary. I believe the only way to judge who is qualified to stay in our country is to ask the immigrants 9themselves) to prove it to an immigration process.
It may be tough, but if they can't do it, they shouldn't be part of our country, otherwise they hold people back, who don't want to be held back.
Originally posted by rubbertramp
my fear is that if america opens it's border.
we triple our population in 6 months.
no one leaves, we get swamped.
we have serious problems already.
Immigration should be regulated, because if you don't regulate immigration services and products become short supply"
The reason why we have immigration policy is to regulate the amount of people draining the system. If you go through immigration leagally like I have had to do you have to prove you will not be a drain on society wether that be welfare or health. You have to be 125% above the poverty line and go through a government sancitioned medical.
Originally posted by Brit-Tex
The world can never be equal because we have ruling elite and we have a under class. When things go wrong when things don't seam right a wise person once told me a very true statment "follow the money"
But going back to immigration the right to live in any country is upto that countries government. We have no right to say that people have the right to all the social benefits that a country offers without paying into that system. Can you not see this battle is going through Europe at the moment with the entitled peoples as Margaret thatcher once said the problem with socialism is one day you will run out of other peoples money.
Originally posted by Brit-Tex
You can't drain the elite of money! When you raise taxes on them they move to a country which is a tax haven, they drain the under class by doing this because when the governments can tax the wealthy they tax the next people on the ladder the average joe you and me. Yet when they tax us more they don't realize that we have less to spend on the street putting less back in to the economy and then intern creating a recession.
But I digress back to immigration I have been through immigration process in the USA, it was not a plesant experience, you have to prove u will not be a burden on society, you have to prove you will not be a burden on health care, the amount of BS with the paper work you have to have a immigration lawyer. But all this is precautionary because of the governemnts wants to make sure that a immigratant can be a productive part of society. I have a problem with open borders as it only creates a safe haven for criminal activity. Yes closed Borders has it's own problems with people smuggling etc. But open Borders would create a mass of criminal activity which police and government agencies could not and would not be able to handle.
So when that money leaves the country in $ bills it leaves the economy you immagine with out border agents how our government would have to print money ( I know they are printing money without hesitation at the moment) and when you do this you devalue the currancy on the world markets. So closed Borders has many effects not just the amount of people that live inside the Borders.