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A Message To All Oil Spill Gloomers---RELAX!

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posted on May, 12 2010 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by quisoa
Didn't Mother Earth create the oil in the first place? Didn't Mother Earth create the methane gas which helped initiate the accident?


In nature as in human physiology, there are some things than can coexist unless natural barriers are disrupted. Excuse me if you feel this is a pedantic example, but it illustrates my point and I feel you have oversimplified the situation.

Highly corrosive acid is required for the breakdown of foods in the human stomach. There is a frequent human affliction (GERD) or 'acid reflux' that can cause cancer of the esophagus should this condition go unchecked and these fluids continue to "back up."


In most cases, the reflux or back flow of the materials from the stomach remains in the lower part of the esophagus, resulting in heartburn and nausea. Such action is not only painful to the sufferer but also can cause damage to the esphagus.


Source

I liken the coexistance of crude oil deep beneath the earth's surface the same way.




posted on May, 12 2010 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by jtma508
reply to post by Common Good
 


Most of it will contaminate the sea floor which is a disaster no question. Only a small part makes it to the surface and will ultimately come ashore. It will take BP months to stop the spill so we're likely looking at several million gallons of oil in the Gulf.


Wow! With one post you have managed to change the specific gravity of crude oil. Texas crude has a specific gravity of .876 at 60 F and less at higher temps. Seawater is 1.025 at 77 F, which is close to what the gulf water is.. So oil floats. All of it floats. Mexican crude is heavier at .976 but it floats too. Look at www.engineeringtoolbox.com... and tell me how it goes to the seafloor.



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 10:14 AM
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reply to post by Just Wondering
 


I was "Just Wondering" if you live anywhere near the gulf coast? I happen to be a commercial fisherman who lives on the southern coast of Texas and so far, knock on wood, we have not yet been affected. I think that if your livelihood were in jeopardy, you might have a slightly different view of the spill.

As far a tar balls occurring naturally, I can tell you that I was born here on the coast some 53 years ago and I've spent a great deal of that time on the water or at the beach. The first tar balls that I ever experience here on the gulf coast came right after the oil spill in the Bay of Campeche, Mexico. After that, we had tar balls float up on our beaches for years and they still appear from time to time. Even today, hurricanes seem to stir up the gulf and cause the reappearance of tar balls. I've never seen a natural tar ball in my life, not that I would know the difference.

I believe that the statement that tar balls occur naturally is a bald faced lie. Tar balls occur when oil companies use dispersants to sink the oil out of site. Once on the bottom, it collects into tar balls and works it's way back to the beaches.

Unless you live on the coast and derive your livelihood from the sea then who the hell are you to tell me to relax. I believe it would be more pertinent for me to ask someone from Prince William Sound wether or not I should relax.

Watch the documentary entitled "Black Wave" and then tell me that I should relax.



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 10:35 AM
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More erroneous information from this thread.

From the link found there:



There are a little over 7 barrels of petroleum in a metric ton. (Link.)

So according to the BBC chart, at the top end, Deepwater has only spilled 70,000 barrels of oil.

Clearly that is wrong.

Even at the most conservative estimate of 5000 barrels per day, as we are in day 20 of this disaster, we are already talking about 100,000 barrels-- 30,000 more than the chart. Moreover, if the 25000 barrels per day number is correct (many, many other sources argue even higher numbers), then we are talking about 500,000 barrels of oil-- 430,000 more than the chart.


Nice job, BBC.


[edit on 12-5-2010 by loam]



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 10:50 AM
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reply to post by nunya13
 


LEAK LEAK LEAK ......



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 10:54 AM
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I agree with the OP to a point. Is this bad? In a way yes, because it has been a sudden injection of oil to the water surface, however, using a technique they developed in the early 1990s to help explore for oil in the deep ocean, Earth Satellite Corporation scientists found that there are over 600 different areas where oil oozes from rocks underlying the Gulf of Mexico ALONE. The oil bubbles up from a cracks in ocean bottom sediments and spreads out with the wind to an to an area covering about 4 square miles.

Oil that finds its way to the surface from natural seeps gets broken down by bacteria and ends up as carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas.

A gallon of oil can spread over a square mile very quickly. So what ends up on the surface is an incredibly thin slick, impossible to see with the human eye and harmless to marine animals.


So back to the BP "disaster", Yes I think it is bad, we got almost a years worth of seepage in a matter of weeks (for this area), but that is it. It will be delt with, people have already lost their fishing jobs there is no changing that. But in my books I welcome it this event to a point. As now it has been publically highlighted the saftey measure cuts that were taken, whether this event was intentional or not is up for debate but hopefully we will start to see a few changes being made, as well as more drive to get more so called 'environmental' friendly technologies developed.


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posted on May, 12 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by loam
Nice job, BBC.


[edit on 12-5-2010 by loam]


Exactly the bbc are mi5 media.

Like they will tell any truths about any anglo american damage.



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by DeathShield
reply to post by Estharik
 


You live in Los Angeles, and you mean to tell us that oil from the Gulf of Mexico has spilled out of the gulf, traveled around south america, washed all the way up the western south american coast along chile and has made its way past the western mexican coast and is now reaching Los Angeles?


I find that rather hard to believe. Don't get me wrong, this is a disaster, but as of right now it is nowhere near as bad as it is being made out to be.


La... Louisiana, the state.....



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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Hello serious thread...

I have two things to say, one of them in the form of a question.

1) I've been following this thread and blessing it with my absence out of respect for the subject and for the level of seriousness being displayed her.

I have no problem admitting that a few of you seem way smarter then I'll ever be, and some of you seem pretty sure in what you are defending here (on both sides)

Now...look...honestly, I never need any of you to save my day. Usually a bit of research goes a long way and I can use my primitive brain to figure whatever out on my own (or at least to some level where I effectively convince myself that I am right).

2) Not this time.

This time I'm confessing to some "nervous concern" that research is failing to calm.

I was wondering if any of you "big skulls" out there can level with a worker-bee-grunt-boy and tell me something that will convince me of what this whole ruptured sea-floor/oil-spill means for us all in the long run.

I know about other spills...so I'm not asking for a history lesson.

I am not asking for no NWO/space-lizard/2012/nibiru answer either.

Anyone out there with some real info...hit me with it.

Also, if you will...is it completly out of the question to assume-

a) This can destroy entire oceans and bring economical/ecological distruction to mankind.

b) This can possibly be a false flag being hyped to completely hide the real story.

Anyone seriously knowledgable, I'm listening.

I do not very much like being groundless and without legs...

Thanks for your time.



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 12:33 PM
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Just heard on the news that they are planning to lower a 2 ton cap onto the hole.

It should be in place by Thursday.

I laughed very loud and then posted this.



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 12:55 PM
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Often there is question as to whether there is a "public relations" campaign to play the public with regards to certain issues.

As far as big oil and opil spills...It's a no brainer. I have worked with big PR firms before, this is what they do...viral, guerilla, buzz whatever you call it...THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. And Oil is BIG MONEY.

OF COURSE there is an aggressive online campaign to downplay this.

TPM's Tour Of The Oil Spill Flack Universe -- Who's On Damage Control?
tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...



Roll Call reported today (sub. req.) that London-based BP has five outside firms and is using social media to push the PR effort.


See that phrase "social media"??...that is us. Blogs, Forums et al.

These people are counting on two factors in thier favor...reporters are lazy and people are stupid.

I'd like to see them proven wrong.



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 12:57 PM
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After the oil has broken down it will add nutrients to the food chain. Plankton will thrive. Oil is a natural substance and has been leaking into the world's oceans forever.



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 01:21 PM
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I'll relax as soon as this hole is plugged, though i have a hard time believing that they're making any serious efforts so far to actually do so.

A 2 tonnes cap? Yeah that helps with weightlessness under water and oil gushing out pushing the cap right off again..

Is this really the best they can come up with? All they're trying to do is save as much oil as possible and keep the undamaged pipe intact for future use.

The youtube video showing the underwater footage of the leak got yanked again, that must have a reason right?

Not to forget the long term effects this will have on the ecosystem, it's not the natural oozing out of oil here, 75% of the oil my country (Netherlands) produced daily in 2007, using the 60000 barrels estimate........

www.nationmaster.com...

So it's as if 3 quarter of our oil industry would just be dumping straight into the sea, and that for more then 2 weeks now...

Just thinking logical is all you need to do to know this is bad news.



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 01:23 PM
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Oh Lord...Seriously?...Another Oil is natural and good person?...Wild-life love it!!!

This logic can be examined by any number of ways..

Feces is natural and good for plants...should we smear it on our oysters? It's natural after all!!!

Oil exists in nature deep underground for a reason...THAT is natural.

Oil is in natures "que" to be released over millions of years slowly.

If nature intended oil to be dumped into the envirornment in the massive amounts that we do (or consumed and burned as a fuel) then why do we have to spend billions and drill so deep underground to source it?

Yes...of course in the long term nature will recover....HUMANS on the other hand...nature has no particular love for us and as long as the earth has existed nature has shown herself as having no issue what-so-ever nudging and sometimes shoving species toward extinction.

Who is to say that us creating an envirornment unsuitable for our own survival isn't anything other than Natures "natural" defense mechanism.

Oil Spills, Global warming, Water shortages, poluted waters, cancer, famines, wars over resources, Increased hurricaines, droughts, floods, growing deserts etc...all just fine with mother nature and all just part of an immune system doing it's job as planned. Killing off a species that is living out of synch with the system. She can take her time...eons are just a tick on the clock, or she can do it quicker ... or maybe she will change her mind...up to us.

Nature is not threatened by us, not impressed with us at all. We are just fancy ants. No special love of humans as tornados and hurricaines etc. constantly remind us.



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[edit on 12-5-2010 by maybereal11]



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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reply to post by Flatfish
Here you go pops some light reading on tar balls.
there are more tar balls in Kalifornia than in the Gulf and they outlawed drilling decades ago.
Tar is a naturally occurring substance it ALWAYS washes up to the beaches. The difference is people (read=REPORTERS) are now looking for anything they can scare you with and it seems to be working. They have tar on the beaches in California and they haven't allowed drilling for years.

According to the Minerals Management Service, a United States government entity, tar and tar seepage are natural parts of the environment. It is evidenced that oil, tar and gas have occurred throughout the coastlines for thousands of years, and are particularly prevalent along the California coastline due to its mountainous regions. Scientists often cannot tell the difference between oil from naturally-occurring seeps and oil from offshore spills. Along the California coastline, there is a large amount of oil seeping naturally from the rocks under the ocean. environmentalism.suite101.com...


As far as you "fishing business" you and I both know it has gone downhill since the Chinese started dumping their products unchecked into our markets. So lets not pretend you were in a thriving industry prior to this incident. Tell one of the gloomers, they may believe your wine and cheese story.

Oh...and may I ask, have you gotten a lawyer yet?
nevermind, I already know the answer to that.







[edit on 12-5-2010 by Just Wondering]



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 02:50 PM
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posted on May, 12 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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LOAM, kudos for sticking this one out! Your intelligence is lost here! Why is this thread still active and yours is not? Why is this not in Skunk Works or Hoax? Why did I come back?


Just to add a little more opinion to a thread that didn't need it, I certainly do not see any way that the 2 ton cap will make any difference if the encasement, tube and surface rig did not help? The cap seems certain to fail, and an exercise in futility (kind of like talking to the OP here). I suppose they are providing false hope for a few more days while the big whigs get their asset protection plans in order.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


There is a lot of factual data, charts, articles, and intelligent discussion at this thread posted a long time before the current one!

[edit on 12-5-2010 by getreadyalready]



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 04:12 PM
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posted on May, 12 2010 @ 04:17 PM
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Ripley, Thanks for creating this thread. There is a calmness about you that is refreshing. IMO, you know what you're talking about, backing up what you claim with facts/sources.
I agree with you, it is bad. For a while there I was getting to the brink of being physically sick.....
It breaks my heart and there is very little I can do to help our ocean friends but listening to what you are saying has helped me to put this in perpective.
Thank you.

P.S. I didn't know Ripley was gay





posted on May, 12 2010 @ 04:23 PM
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i said "maybe"



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