Why are the Greeks mad with the EU?

It has become a commonly seen scene, Greek protesters burning and trashing EU flags, but why are the Greeks so angry with the EU is unclear to me. Firs of all, it is Greeks who have long lived beyond their means due to the incompetence of successive Greek governments, which failed to implement a proper taxation system and construct a stable economic foundation.
They also were responsible for the adoption of the Euro, which they achieved under false pretenses.

To me, it sounds no more than reasonable that the Greek people are enforced by the EU to pay the largest share of the financial burden all Europeans saddled with. After all, all EMU countries contribute billions to bail out cash to Greece, money that is likely to vanish into thin air. Although the EU does not act out of compulsion, the EU is the reason Greece has not collapsed yet. If they would still have had the drachma, its credit rating would have been downgraded a long time ago and subsequently, the country would have collapsed under the heavy weight of interest rates, whereas Greece is, due to its EMU membership, still able to borrow money at a relatively low interest rate.

There is no doubt on my mind that the EU's motive to bail Greece out, is to prevent their misery from further affecting the stability of the Euro, but regardless of that, the fact remains that Greece would be no more without the financial support of the Eurozone.

For that very reason, I sincerely wonder why Greeks are so angry with the EU, whereas I believe they should solely be angry with their own government. My question is sincere, so please don't take it as an insult.

[edit on 11-5-2010 by Mdv2]

Remember Eu [*snip*] up their country so yeah there's the reason



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reply to post by starwarsisreal


How exactly did the EU f#$% up Greece? I'm not being fecetious, I genuinely want to know. Not that up to speed with the dealings between the Greeks and the EU over the last few years... all I know is the Greek citizenry are pissed over austerity measures the EU wanted in exchange for the bailout...

reply to post by Legion2112


The EU didn't mess up Greece at all..

Joining the EURO gave Greece the option for cheap credit on the back of the Northern EU countries which it used to fund lavish Social Programs and become borderline Socialist and uber lazy..

Without the EU Greece would have failed within the last decade.. They have no reason to be pissed off with anyone other than themselves and the fact that they are hot blooded Mediterraneans..

If the EU wasn't there, Greece would have defaulted, all their jobs would be gone, no government, no currency, civil war and "IMF" would be written on every single asset in the state..

probably the same reason that the world hates the eu. Their all eurotrash who tried to take on the world during world war 2. Greece wasnt part of the holocaust dont by europe to the jews as part of their ethnic cleansing campaign. Lets hope europe can change their ways, so far from what I see they are still going after minorities.

reply to post by tigpoppa


What? Give it a rest man.. you are talking through your arse..

So Im a minority hating piece of Euro trash hell bent on killing jews because I live in Europe?

Have you ever been outside of your home town? No? Hickville USA yea?

Also.. you should learn some proper grammar and punctuation.. Your post is so bad, it offends my eyes.

Seriously, Has anyone looked at how screwed up the EU is. People have no voice at all in the EU government. The EU is just a regional government stepping stone to one world government.

Maybe the Greeks see the writing on the wall.

reply to post by zzombie


While I do agree with a lot of what you said.. Maybe you should learn something about how the EU runs before saying the people have no say..

We elect the EU parliament.. Our elected leaders and parliaments vote on all pan EU decisions..

What's the major difference between that and your country? Did you get a vote on your bailout? Did you get a vote on joining your wars?

I thought much of the Greek protests were against cuts and new taxes by their own government. I wasn't aware it was all directed towards the EU...

Originally posted by tigpoppa
probably the same reason that the world hates the eu. Their all eurotrash who tried to take on the world during world war 2. Greece wasnt part of the holocaust dont by europe to the jews as part of their ethnic cleansing campaign. Lets hope europe can change their ways, so far from what I see they are still going after minorities.

No holocaust in Greece?
WHAT?
Greece had a major pogrom in 1821, and scholars have found evidence of fairly widespread anti-semitism. 85% Of Greek Jews were killed in the holocaust. Ok, the Greeks were occupied at the time, but common, read the link and lets be honest.
theopavlidis.com...

On June 11, 1944, 300 women, many of them pregnant, accompanied by midwives, formed a transport, which eventually arrived in Auschwitz. Dr. Miklos Nyiszli, a Polish Jew became the eyewitness to a mass murder. He wrote, “Last night they burned the Greek Jews from the Mediterranean island of Corfu, one of the oldest communities of Europe. The victims were kept for twenty-seven days without food or water, first in launches, then in sealed cars. When they arrived at Auschwitz’s loading platform, the doors were unlocked, but no one got out to line up for selection. Half of them were already dead and half in a coma. The entire transport, without exception, was sent to crematorium No. 2.”[18]

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The EU is an Empire thats why, people are sick of it, the eu didnt only mess up greece but other countries also

Joining the EURO gave Greece the option for cheap credit on the back of the Northern EU countries which it used to fund lavish Social Programs and become borderline Socialist and uber lazy.. Without the EU Greece would have failed within the last decade.. They have no reason to be pissed off with anyone other than themselves and the fact that they are hot blooded Mediterraneans..

I can see your a strong supporter of a north america union then.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
I can see your a strong supporter of a north america union then.

Actually I couldn't care less about North America.

What could possibly have given you that idea.. Well apart from the fact that you took my factual explanation of a situation and decided it meant something else in your mind..

But you do realize you already live in a globalist ideal of United States yea? the world Hypocrisy springs to mind? Also.. The US is an empire too.. Hate that.. Double Hypocrisy.. Sting..

I can also make the Rollie Eyes Smiley Face.. Look..





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Originally posted by tigpoppa
probably the same reason that the world hates the eu. Their all eurotrash who tried to take on the world during world war 2.

This above quote is a fine example of the American School System.
Seen a poll where 50% of High School Grads think Alaska is a island.





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The Greeks are pizzed at their OWN Gov for the cutbacks in Pay, Pensions.

reply to post by Mdv2


Then let me tell you, as a greek who lives in greece, the hate goes towards our OWN government and the IMF, as should any other persons hate go towards.

EU has nothing to do with it.

We are beeing pissed that the same banks that bankrupted Greece are going to get bailed out by the EU money, and that the IMF dictates Greek policy.

No Greek is ever going to see a dime, instead pay for it. No Greek has ever "stole" anything or was lazy except those in power over the years, but now WE the people have to pay.

Dont fall for the propaganda, and ask yourself who wins in the end, and who will profit most from this.

Again, the money that is beeing lended now, has to be payed back by the people, to the same banks that created the crisis. With a pretty neat profit for those who lend it.

These #ers (in this case the Eu via the IMF) are after the Greek ressources, which are plenty and veeeeeeeery important for modern warfare and are still untouched yet (do yourself the favor and google it, you might learn something).

But dont worry, soon all Europe will be "governed" by the IMF, through financial blackmailing, even your own country. Then you ll propably burn EU flags too

It's not the EU that people are attacking, however the EU has certainly played a role in Greece's macro-economic situation. By disallowing protectionism, greek potatoes for example are multiple times priced compared to the egyptian ones. Greek cotton the same (vs turkish or egyptian). And farming, which one was a good factor, has now become a doomed factor. Same applies for greek textiles (vs chinese imports) or, practically, anything that Greece once made.

Right now there are only three markets which can make a european economy competitive

a) raw material
b) high-end products (German industrial goods, Nokia phones, Philips TVs, Eurofighters etc)
c) some type of services

Greece is not in (b), has a bit of (c) like tourism, naval transport of goods etc - but has to import pretty much everything.

The country has been led to destruction by choice (not the people, the Globalists and their puppets who control Greece since the end of WW2). Greece is very rich in (a). Which means that it has enormous deposits of oil, coal, gas, metals, precious metals (gold, uranium) etc - even marbles. And it positioned in a place with plenty of sun and wind (energetic autonomy from renewable sources of energy - which means billions per year in revenue).

However, nothing regarding it's assets is utilized (except coal - in the rate of 70 mn tons lignite per year and there is also pumping of extremely low quantities of oil from the Prinos oil field) ON PURPOSE (so debt can accumulate and financial take over can take place). In the 70's the country was with 7-8% GDP growth rates, amazing construction works, investments etc and all with very low debt. The country was indebted from 25% GDP to 115% GDP in 12 years (Papandreou+Mitsotakis from the end of 1981 to 1993) - which were under orders from the NWO globalists. Then started the selling off of state assets, like very profitable state companies (because "they were problematic", lol). OTE for example, the Greek telco, was a regional player in SEastern Mediterranean and the Balkans. And who owns it now? Mostly DT (the German Telco). Who owns the Greek airport? The Germans, etc etc.. Generally, EU capital has bought a lot of Greek companies after the induced bankruptcy of the state (which "then had to sell state companies to break-even"). But it's not the EU capital fault, it's the NWO fault, or better stated, NWO plan.

If Greece properly exploited it's wealth (and I'm talking about raw materials worth half a trillion euros - where you don't "have to be competitive"), the country would be very rich. But this would make a financial takeover impossible. Even as we speak, the local economy of Karistos (which has a stone mine) is being destroyed because the state disallowed them further extractions of stone - and locals will be going for a protest outside the Parliament for this specific reason. It's the same whether we are talking for oil, gold or stones and marbles - a conscious policy of minimum exploitation. So the plan was to first put the country in deep doodoo, and then have the foreign capital invade and loot state lands, state companies and eventually state resources such as mineral wealth - which is of strategic importance to the NWO. From this perspective you may better understand some negative sentiment toward international lendors/looters (although - what I'm describing here, applies for only 10% of the people who are more awakened to the reality which I'm describing) but generally people don't blame the EU, they know it's our government fault.

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[edit on 11-5-2010 by SIntegral]

Pretty much what SIntegral and Dynamitrios have said.

To add to this, even Cyprus has a staggering amount of natural resources, in the form of gas off it's coast in it's territorial waters and exclusive economic zone. I think the estimate was something like at least 800 billion dollars worth, from what has been discovered so far.

Also comments about the price of goods in Greece, is another reason.
The government, past and present, has done nothing to help the people.

The anger you are seeing on the streets right now, isn't anger over some austerity measures only, it's the common man saying enough is enough. We have had enough of this corrupt bull# that is starving us all. Time for change.


What makes me sick though, is the comments from non-Greeks, particularly fellow Europeans.
Because your countries are now in a position of wealth and relative stability, you feel you are free and able to throw around insults towards all Greeks and paint us all with the same brush we paint our corrupt governments who for the last few decades have all been ruled by the same two-three families.

You have no problem using the knowledge left by OUR Greek ancestors, you have no problem using our language to name stars and other things that are discovered, but now that our country is in trouble, rather then show some compassion with the common Greek who is not responsible for creating this crisis, you turn your backs and throw insults at us.

Don't worry though, because the time when your countries will be in deep trouble isn't far off, your just too blinded by what the elites want you to see to actually see where Europe and the world are headed. That's why you feel comfortable and secure enough to throw around insults and act like you are in a morally higher position. Well your not.

But again, don't worry, when your time comes, the Greek's will still be there to lend you a hand. We were after all the only ones who cared enough about our freedom to stand up to Hitler and Mussolini, and gave the allies hope.

In other words, we did it before on the battle field, we will do it again no matter where or who.

Why do you think Greece is the first to come under this attack?
Do some research, and read what bast***s like Kissinger have to say about the Greek people...how we have to have our 'culture' attacked, how we have to be 'brought under control'..I wonder why.

And it's no surprise that in recent years, the "Americanisation" of music etc in Greece has been stepped up. You turn on the tv in Greece, see one of those Dancing with the Stars type shows, and rather then Greek dancing or singing, it's American dancing and singing.......

And that is but one example of this war being waged.


But hey, if it isn't happening to you, you wouldn't know it nor will you understand it.

But rest assured, if they need to bring your country to it's knees, even "mighty" Germany, to achieve a single government in Europe, that's what they will do.

It's also no coincidence that one of those leading the speculating is George Sorros.

But eh, what do I know..just wait till it happens to your country, and you'll understand then.

John Maynard Keynes' policies were proven effective in combating depressions, because, in a nutshell, once money circulates, ultimately everyone will have a share, instead of savings being hoarded up.

It works because if the central govt prints more money, it actually devalues the dollar and hoarders will loathe to see their savings drop in value, so will rather spend it.

Furthermore, when the govt steps in, it will create jobs and infrastructure reconstruction that will benefit everyone.

In the event if hoarders still hoard their money, the printed money's value will come from mineral resources yet to be tapped, so Keynes strategy was highly sound and effective for countries that has natural resources and at least a minimal corruption in its national administration or it will not work.

However Keynes lived in the 20s and had not seen the level of corruption practised by banksters of today. Keynes strategy thus will NOT work in corrupt Greece, with its administrators fat from corruption and in collusion with banksters. Thus the market reacted and show its confidence - the lack of it.

Those loans are based on 2 forms of collateral:- repaid by the untapped mineral resources of Greece, and the henious labour capital of the Greeks. They and their future generations will be made slaves and their mineral wealth robbed at a pittance once the loans are accepted!

The Greek regime must change. Only the military has the power to do so on behalf of the Greeks, through time limited martial laws to get everyone calm down and work out better representation. But if the military had been comprised, then a trusted leader must emerge to lead the nation....

It's time to Hoist the Colors!!! And the Greeks must be prepared to tough it out, a choice only the Greeks themselves can make as humanity learns....

Good Luck!

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
a choice only the Greeks themselves can make as humanity learns....

Good Luck!

Thanks you. Just a point to make: Choice is dependent upon the information one has. And the Greek media right now portrays the "rescue package" as a savior and bankruptcy as a non-option so as to influence mass opinion. They don't tell the truth of what this package really is and that not only does it not save us, but it also destroys the economy and loots the state property. The media also downplay people's protests so as not to become more massive. Protests on the 6th of may, 9th of may and 12th of may were almost vanished from the tv (!).

Here is why the Greeks are mad at the people who saved them.

The Greeks think they are the greatest people who ever lived.

They think their country is the best country ever.

Here is an aside - Greeks are so into their own country they are up its bum.

That is why it failed.

The problem here in Greece is that people like to blame others for the problems and they never critisize how they contributed to that problem.
For the last 35 years Greeks blame the goverments for what is happening to the country,but they keep electing the same people everytime.They do their best not to pay taxes,they kiss asses just to get a position as civil servants etc.

Now Greeks found a new scapegoat,Eu.They will blame them for everything that happened in our "precious" country.I don't say that the Eu is completely innocent but we don't do anything to improve ourselves.So we got what we deserved.

I'm Greek.I love my country.But i'm not blind.
Yes ,2500 years ago we were great,but it's long gone and unfortunately most of us don't seem to realise it.There is nothing to be proud of in today's Greece.