Fatima Jacinta 1972 Warning !! A Deception...

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posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 06:56 AM
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I am convinced and i hope alot others will be that thIs fatima prophecies are a work of the devil.

We must EXPECT Satan to appear as an "angel of light," and as the ultimate "antichrist," He will appear as Christ. Just imagine if you willthis magnificent being appears on the earth, speaking tenderly as we imagine our Savior spoke. He appears to heal the sick, although he is actually having his devils remove the illnesses which they originally caused. He speaks of peace and love, but something is amiss. He doesnt quite speak exactly what the Bible says, and tells the world that the Bible has been corrupted over the yearsand hes here to correct that. He claims he is Christ. He looks like we expect Him to look; he speaks like we expect Him to sound, and EVERYONE seems to agreeHES FINALLY ARRIVED! Is it really Him? Wait, doesnt the Bible say He comes in the air, and the righteous MEET HIM IN THE AIR?: 1 TIMOTHY 4:16; "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

THE REASON THE PROPHECIES ARE COMING TRUE ARE BECAUSE THE DEVIL IS MAKING THEM COME TRUE. THIS METEOR THREAT IS PROBABLY TRUE FOR THE 18TH BUT NOT AS AN INSTRUMENT OF REDEMPTION BY GOD. MORE AS A AN INSTRUMENT OF DESTRUCTION FROM SATAN.


HE HAS DUPED ALOT OF US. LETS NOT GIVE HIM THE CHANCE TO ANYMORE.
LETS STAND UP AGAINST EVIL AND SATAN. AND WELCOME CHRIST INTO OUR HEARTS TO FEND THE EVIL ONE OFF.

MATTHEW 24:24; "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

UNLESS WE SEE CHRIST ASEND WITH THE ANGELS OF HEAVEN IT IS NOT REALLY HIM. AND WE WILL KNOW IN OUR HEARTS. I FEEL TERRIBLE FOR ALL THE PEOPLE AT FATIMA AND BAYSIDE THAT WERE TRICKED INTO THIS.
I HOPE GOD HAS MERCY ON THIER SOUL.

ALSO EXPLAINS WHY THE APPARITION WAS SO ADAMANT ABOUT PRAYING THE ROSARY, AND WEARING SACREMANTALS. AT ALL TIMES...

IDOLTRY , AND WORSHIPPING SOME OTHER THEN GOD..
ANGERS OUR LORD.
HE IS A JEALOUS GOD.

BUT ALSO A JUST AND LOVING GOD.

I HAVE RETURNED FULLY TO MY FAITH IN CHRIST AFTER A LONG TIME AND PRAY EVERYDAY AND AFTER PRAYING FOR GOD TO PLEASE LET ME SEE THE TRUTH I SAW THIS...

BELIEVE NO ONE , NO FALSE PROPHETS....

PLEASE I ASK THAT WE ALL SPREAD THE WORD SO WE MAY RECLAIM MORE SOULS BACK FOR THE LIGHT SIDE AND FOR OUR LORD GOD.

IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST MAY WE ALL SEE THE TRUTH AND RENOUNCE SATAN FROM OUR LIVES.

AMEN.



GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND GOOD LUCK IN THE COMING HARD TIMES CAUSED BY THE KING OF DECEPTION...

JT

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posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 07:06 AM
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Why must we expect something that is absolutely contrary to the scripture? I mean, if we are to expect something that is founded in scripture (i.e. the appearance of the antichrist), then why would we then wander off into theories that oppose what the scripture says?

The antichrist will not "come as Christ in his glory". The scriptures adamantly show that this simply will not be the case. The antichrist will be a man that will rise to power and then place himself in a position of divinity demanding worship.

The reasons the prophecies are coming true (if, in fact, they are) is because God is allowing them to. Do not fool yourself into believing in duality. The historical record shows the attempts at starting the timeline and that when it was not in accordance with the Grand Plan, those attempts were allowed to be thwarted by human efforts. Only if the timeline now falls in accordance with God's will will the prophecies being fulfilled go undaunted by attempts of mankind. (P.S. But I actually believe the timeline will be fulfilled by the LACK of attempts by mankind - apathy will be the tool that allows the timeline to be fulfilled - IMHO.)

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posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 07:11 AM
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I always wonder why the predictions of the so call Fatima where keep secret for so long, I guess to fool people into believing that the predictions will come to pass, but the true they never did and never will.



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 07:16 AM
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I'm not sure if I can follow exactly what you are posting here, but I'll try.

Does your post say that Jacinta from Fatima made a warning in 1972? That's impossible. Jacinta died when she was just a small child. She died of pneumonia just a few years after the apparitions of Mary in Fatima back in 1917. No warning in 1972 is possible. She had been dead 50+ years.

You mentioned Bayside. These are false apparitions and have been declared so by the Catholic church. These are in no way Catholic. The Church condemned them. They are outside of it. Not connected with it at all. I am of the opinion that the evil there said to use the rosary and sacramentals in an effort to disparage the Catholic church.



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 07:20 AM
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marg - the first two 'secrets' of Fatima were not kept secret. They were told right away. It was the third secret that has an air of mystery to it. The third secret was sealed by order of Mary. She told Lucia not to reveal it to anyone except the pope. He was not to reveal it until a certain year (sometime in the 1960's I think). This was ordered by Mary. The pope opened it in the year it was allowed, read it, and put it away saying that it didn't have anything to do with his pontificate, but it did have to do with a later one. Each pope after that has read it. Pope John Paul II revealed it and said it has been fulfilled in his pontificate.



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 08:17 AM
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MY POINT WAS THAT THE DEVIL NOT THE ANTICHRIST IS MAKING THESE APPARITIONS AND PROPHECIES.

AND FOOLED THOUSANDS. (FALSE PROPHETS)

AND EVIL IS GROWING AND IT MUST BE STOPPED BY PRAYER.

The Proof of a Prophet


"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).

God tells us here that demonic spirits and the prophets who are led by them in their proclamations are out there trying to deceive. God commands us not to be gullible and just blindly accept spirits which claim to be from Him and people who claim to be His prophets. We should obey God, and check them out. How can we find out if a prophet speaks the word of God or not?

"But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:20-22).



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 09:14 AM
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Okay. Now I follow you. I wasn't sure what you were getting at in the beginning of this thread.

You warned against the false apparition of Bayside. The Catholic church agrees with you. It was condemned by the Church and that false apparition has absolutely nothing to do with the Catholic church, although the devil tries to get people to think it does by waving around rosary beads and such.

You feel that when Mary appeared to three small children in 1917 in Fatima Portugal it was the work of the devil. Yes?

Hmmm. I don't see that. The apparitions of Mary were preceeded by apparitions of the ArchAngel Michael. He taught the children how to pray to God and to give Him Glory. They prostrated themselves in prayer to God.

Mary came and taught the children how to live a life of prayer and holiness. They were told when they'd die (it came true), they were told about wars in distant lands that would come and when (these came true). They were ignorant peasant children who didn't know anything about these lands yet they prophicied about them and about things to come.

Jacinta and Francisco died a few short years after the apparitions. They lived those short years in prayer and in good will towards all. They were model Christians. They knew they would die soon, but looked forward to being called home to God with joy. Both Jacinta and Francisco have incorrupt bodies. This is a miracle. Their bodies have not decayed. They look as if they are sleeping. (yes, they were disinterred and investigated. It's part of the investigation the Church does when deciding sainthood)

Lucia, the sole surviving child from Fatima is in her 90s now. She has lived her entire life in seclusion and prayer to God. She never earned a penny from the happenings in Fatima.

Everything about them and what they said happen point to an authentic heavenly visitation. Would you please provide some solid evidence to back up your assertation that they encountered evil and the messages were evil and from the devil?
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Edited to add - I still don't understand the reference to the year 1972 and your discussion of a meteor. Fatima never spoke of these things. Where are they from?

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posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 10:47 AM
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Those were not true prayers. but concocted by the devil.
i was raised caotholic and now am seeing its true colors.

and who the antichrist truly could be...

The POPE!!!!!!!!!

and trully worries me because the president just met with him.
i have a feeling world war 3 is about to happen.

FACT

1. there is an upside down cross on his throne.

2. he has a bent crucifix with a deformed jesus on his staff..

3. anti means "in place of" vic'ar means a substitute in office.

there for Vicar of christ means Antichrist.

"For the Roman pontiff (pope), by reason of his office as VICAR OF CHRIST, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal POWER over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise UNHINDERED."

-CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 1994, P. 254 #882

4. The number of his name... count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man... and his number is 666." Revelation 13:17,18]

"The letters inscribed in the Pope's miter are these 'VICARIUS FILII DEI'. which is the Latin for 'VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD.' Catholics hold that the church, which is a visible society, must have a visible head. Christ, before his ascension into heaven, appointed St. Peter to act as His representative... Hence to the Bishop of Rome, as head of the church, was given the title, 'VICAR OF CHRIST'." Our Sunday Visitor, (Catholic Weekly) "Bureau of information," Huntington, Ind., April 18,


All you need to do is spell it in Latin Lettering which is also Roman Numerals, and then...ADD IT UP...

V.................... 5
I..................... 1
C.................... 100
A.................... 0
R.................... 0
I..................... 1
U................... 5
S.................... 0

TOTAL = 112

F......................0

I........................1

L.......................50

I.........................1

I.........................1

TOTAL = 53

D......................500

E......................0

I........................1

TOTAL = 501

TOTALS = 112 + 53 + 501 = 666

5. Antichrist must join with the "kings of the Earth" Revelation 17:2

6. Antichrist presumes authority to tamper with and change God's law. Daniel 7:25. (pray to mary and archangel micheal??? not in the bible anywhere where it says to call to them or pray to them)



Out of the 448 Questions in this book of Catholic doctrine there were 776 answers due to the fact that many of the questions had multiple answers. Some had as many as 17 answers to a single question. Out of all these questions regarding "Catholic Doctrine" there were only 56 Bible verses listed! And more than 75% of those Bible verses were taken completely out of context! But let's give the Vatican the benefit of a doubt and "assume" that all 56 Bible verses were "in context" shall we? That would mean, 56 Bible verses used for 776 answers equating to 13.8% of the questions having Bible verses given to explain them. That means 86.2% of the answers were NOT found in the Bible!

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

This single verse PROVES the Catholic church is NOT of Jesus! Historic fact is, the gates of hell have prevailed against this church from the beginning and will do so all the way until it's SOON demise!


7.Antichrist is to be able to influence entire world. Revelation 13:8


8.
Characteristic #16: Antichrist is a world power which the world "wonders after". Revelation 13:3,4.

The Encyclical of Pope Pius X, issued in 1864, asserted:

the right to require the State not to leave any man free to profess his own religion;
the right to employ force;
the right to claim dominion in temporal things;
the right to have the entire control of public schools;
the right to hold princes and kings in subjection;
the right to treat all marriages as invalid which are not solemnized according to the forms of the Council of Trent;
the right to prevent the State granting to immigrants the public exercise of their own worship;
the right to require the State not to permit free expression of opinion;


its time to ask yourself who do you fallow when you pray to other then GOD???


and the list goes on and on.....................



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 11:09 AM
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besides what you can think or belive about the antichrist....just think in this:

it is acepted by some religions and by racional logics too, that the antichrist is exatly the oposite of christ!...so folow this examples...:

- christ was here in a human form first, so the antichrist cant have a human form!it can even be just a "weird" phenomena, or kind of cataclism, maybe.

- christ is "light", so the AC must be just dark or darkness.

- Christ teached love, AC must teach or bring hate!

- christ (god) prays the day light, i dont recall the especific place where the bible say that, but we must be awake at day time and sleep at the night time, so the AC must be something just "active" at night time, or something that will happen at night time.

- Christ is / and speak the "truth", so AC must lies always or "be" something "hide" untill he reach us.

- and so on...get it?....folowing the theory that the AC is exatly the oposite of christ, we can go on , on many other possible comparisons!

just a idea that i think its iteresting to think a little.



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posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 11:12 AM
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jedijt76,

I am not believer of the devil or anything man made, predictions and apparitions are as real as the person that believe in them faith.


The devil is like the boggy man just to scare the littler childrens so they behave.



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 11:29 AM
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IT DOESN'T SAY ANYWHERE THAT THE ANTICHRIST WILL BE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF CHRIST.

AS A MATTER OF FACT IT DOES SAY...


Antichrist is to receive it's "seat" and authority from Rome. Revelation 13:4.


Antichrist is to be a blasphemous power - claiming the prerogatives of God Himself. Revelation 13:1

Antichrist must be a "Christian" church that embraces the teachings of BABYLON over and above the teachings of Scripture. Revelation 17:5

ITS ALL THERE IF YOU JUST READ THE BIBLE.. AND OLDER ONE

THAT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED

I HAVE ONE FROM THE 1800'S ITS ACTUALLY EASIER TO READ THEN THE ONES OF TODAY.



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 01:30 PM
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jedi... are you a cleric scholar??, do you know how many diferent bibles are in this world? each one "adapted" to the religion that it serves?do you know that when we use the word bible, we are talking in general ways because of so many diferent ones exist?
do you you have knoledge to about what is a kind of "free speach" when we talk about something not especified!? do you have red all that diferent types of bibles in the world?! it looks that you had!, because you stated so clear that this is not in no where! do you know what the word "Anti", can mean?, what are all the possible meanings for it?! do you hqave any problem in understend all the meanings in a complete phrase?
do you know that apart that i have red that in a bible, i only wish to show a diferent , and another way to look to this?
sure...if you are a folower of any religion, i dont blame you at all, you must folow your faith. but dont get hungry on others just because they can have,or show other types our way of thinking!

stay cool, and i hope you fix that "caps" key...!



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 01:38 PM
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What if the bible was corupted by man? We know it has been switched is so cases to help the people to control - So what if its true? how could you tell.? I think you just need to be good no matter what or who tells you other wise and you will work out ok. IF that dont work, God isnt very nice is he/she / ?



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 02:23 PM
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fully agree!, the bibles had been corrupted by humans for too long, all we can do its folow our conscience.or inner "voice"!



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 02:42 PM
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According to the Bayside prophecies (whether you believe them or not) the meaning of the 'Jacinta 1972' photo is that this is the time when the Antichrist entered the Vatican.

ourladyoftheroses.org...
www.rosesfromheaven.com...
www.tldm.org...
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posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 02:55 PM
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Okay. Now I'm starting to understand what is going on. It took a few times. Jacinta 1972 is NOT the Fatima prophecies. It has nothing to do with when Mary appeared in 1917 to the children in Fatima. It's a separate thing that will never be approved by the church because of some connection to Bayside.

And Jedijt76 is an ex catholic who doesn't like the church he left. Jedijt, you can believe what you like. About your statements that the pope is the anti-christ ... and that numerology .... I think you are too extreme for me to be able to speak with you on this subject. I doubt that my telling you facts like Vatican City NOT sitting on the 7 hills of Rome will help you in any way. In my opinion you are way, way off on this. I'll pray for you. (Yes, to God) bye.



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by jedijt76

ITS ALL THERE IF YOU JUST READ THE BIBLE.. AND OLDER ONE

THAT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED

I HAVE ONE FROM THE 1800'S ITS ACTUALLY EASIER TO READ THEN THE ONES OF TODAY.



Which bible was it that you read? Oh yeah, the right/correct bible, yes? The books in the Christian Bible have been translated and re-translated for thousands of years, modified by the Catholic Church, censored several times throughout history, etc. What you read today, or even in 1800, is not the same, or even close to what it originally was or was meant to be. Regardless of Divine visions and 'knowledge', every religious bible was written by man, not by God, and is man's interpretation of historical events and man's interpretation of God.

It's almost absurd to make such statements, I fully believe in having good faith, but one's faith is no more righteous than that of anyone else's.




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posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 09:47 PM
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WOW! A lot of people are biting at this one!!

My turn:

I am Catholic and yes, the smoke of satan has entered into the sactuary.
Jesus is the Rock - Peter is the "little rock" look it up in your Strongs.
The Gates of Hell cannot nor ever will prevail against the CHRUCH the body of True Beleivers.
We are in the midst of the great apostacy as was prophesied in 2 Thessalonians.

Remember everyone, Jesus said that the Tree is known by it's fruit. Just because the pope "claims" to know Mary doesn't prove anyting.

I am sure, based on the "fruit" of obedience to God the father, son and holy spirit, that Fatima was valid. Although this pope cannot be trusted (a double minded man is unstable in all his ways.) I doubt he is the AC - false prophet maybe - but not the AC.

Reread revelation and daniel, pray for wisdom - In the book of James he says that if any man seek wisdom (discernment) let him ask of GOD who gives to all men liberally.

We need not act hasty - be ye cunning as serpents but harmles as doves.

BTW - Computer also adds up to 666



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 10:01 PM
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oh by the way jedijt76,

Did you know that in 1st Corin. 10:15 - 17 it states the valitidy of the Catholic Sacrifice?
And also in Acts 2:42 it says that they continued in the Apostles Doctrine... and the breaking of the bread. Holy Communion is what makes you Catholic - but you have denied the Holy one.

John 6:66 (note the number) Jesus LOST over 5000 beleivers because he PREACHED on Eating his Flesh and Drinking His Blood. A protestant is no different than a non-beleiver, however, I know that God can and does work through the unbeleiver in order to bring him/her to true salvation. i know that "Christianity" isn't that popular these days, and God is despensing his Grace on those with a Sliver of Faith, but you cannot gain ETERNAL LIFE without receiving His Body and Blood - It is a mystery but look it up and pray for wisdom.

I will agree that your zeal is impressive but don't become like the Church of Ephesis - you've lost your first love! Jesus in the Holy Sacrament!

Why do satanist steal consecrated hosts? "For the devils believe and tremble!"

If you love His Holy Word than read what He said, look it up in Strongs, wait on the Holy Spirit to give you wisdom that will lead to Eternal Life - who cares what pope BlizBlaz does?

Judgement Begins at the House of GOD!

Is your house in order?



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 10:03 PM
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Well the antichrist will not be the exact opposite of Christ. In some ways he will be though through his evil deeds that will come after he comes into power. Anti does not mean exact opposite it just means to oppose and yes there is a difference. At first he will seem a man that will bring peace to places in the world that have never seen it but he will turn against those lands. Oh and I'm a Christian. If anyone has something to say against me to proove me wrong go ahead.





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