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La Raza Unida - insight from one of 'la raza'

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posted on May, 11 2010 @ 05:42 PM
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Is there a difference between La Raza Unida and Nation Council of La Raza?

That could be where some of the confusion lies.




posted on May, 11 2010 @ 05:45 PM
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www.judicialwatch.org...


President Barack Obama’s Supreme Court nominee is a member of an influential extremist Mexican La Raza group that advocates open borders and driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants.

Judge Sonia Sotomayor is listed as a member of the National Council of La Raza in an American Bar Association profile discovered by a news organization dedicated to exposing public corruption. The appeals court judge has already ignited a firestorm for publicly saying that a jurist’s ethnicity and sex will make a difference in their judging.

The La Raza membership is a fiery compliment to the now infamous Berkeley speech in which Sotomayor said: “I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.”

The National Council of La Raza describes itself as the largest Latino civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States, but it actually caters to the radical Chicano movement that says California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and parts of Colorado and Texas belong to Aztlan.

The takeover plan is referred to as the "reconquista" of the Western U.S. and it features ethnic cleansing of Americans, Europeans, Africans and Asians once the area is taken back and converted to Aztlan. While this may all sound a bit crazy, this organization is quite powerful and its leaders regularly attend congressional hearings regarding immigration. The La Raza council also receives millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars each year.


The Hispanic American lobby is powerful, and entrenched in our government. Which alone is fine, but the above is equivalent to having a president nominate a white supremacist/separatist to the supreme court.

She was approved, and is now sitting on the court, by the will of a majority democrat congress, which has found it beneficial to cater to Hispanics for political gain and votes.

This is in essence is why our governments have completely failed to act on the immigration issues, in fact they are leaning more toward amnesty for illegals, obviously for votes they can't get from natural American citizens.

They are willing to concede sovereignty for votes.

La Raza is powerful, and there are extremists amongst them with very sinister plans. Don't be fooled.

Future actions will speak louder than any words here.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by DarkStormCrow
Is there a difference between La Raza Unida and Nation Council of La Raza?


Yes..

La Raza Unida

National Council of La Raza

And no.

I'll let you figure out the 'no'.



[edit on 11-5-2010 by Fractured.Facade]



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 07:10 PM
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When you have illegal immigrants crossing the border and disregarding the laws in this nation that tells they are violating those laws you can not push any agenda on those that are affected by immigration.

I am Latina, I don't see why I feel I have to change the "American culture" actually I am very happy of been assimilated into it and so my children, that is why I am an America, because I wanted to be part of the the American culture.




[edit on 11-5-2010 by marg6043]



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 07:16 PM
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To the OP,
excellent insight.
I am a bit confused on the mestizo part. I was always called mestizo because I was half white and half Mexican. I never thought of it as alos half Mexican and half Spaniard but I can see that point now.

I do not share your open borders point of view but I thank you for the post. very informative.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 07:35 PM
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Actually he is wrong on the "mestizo" part of it.

In the Caribbean where I am from, Mestizo was the name given by the Spaniards to those of mix race between Spaniards of pure blood and indigenous people in the new world.

Then a Mulatto was the mix of a Spaniard or white person with a black person usually back in the days they were slaves brought by the Spaniards to work the plantations.

The word "mulatto" and "mestizo"is no longer used now anybody is mostly of "mix race" due to integration of races.

So holding to a word that actually have meaning for those pushing agendas.

[edit on 11-5-2010 by marg6043]



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by MagoSA
 


When you have illegal immigrants crossing the border and disregarding the laws in this nation that tells they are violating those laws you can not push any agenda on those that are affected by immigrating.

I am Latina, I don't see why I feel I have to change the "American culture" actually I am very happy of been assimilated into it and so my children, that is why I am an America, because I wanted to be part of the the American culture.



[edit on 11-5-2010 by marg6043]


that's one approach. You are welcome to feel like you don't need to do anything - your choice is yours to make. I feel like I should be working to uplift other Chicanos so they can gain a toehold and then lift themselves up.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Just Wondering
 


Actually he is wrong on the "mestizo" part of it.

In the Caribbean where I am from, Mestizo was the name given by the Spaniards to those of mix race between Spaniards of pure blood and indigenous people in the new world.

Then a Mulatto was the mix of a Spaniard or white person with a black person usually back in the days they were slaves brought by the Spaniards to work the plantations.

The word "mulatto" and "mestizo"is no longer used now anybody is mostly of "mix race" due to integration of races.

So holding to a word that actually have meaning for those pushing agendas.

[edit on 11-5-2010 by marg6043]


Apparently you and I run in different circles. I hear 'mulato' and 'mestizo' quite a bit here.
according to the CIA world factbook - field listings, 60% of Mexican are mestizo - and it ties directly into class and social structure. Vale.


Edit : I missed where you said you were Caribbean - culturas diferentes... We may share some ethnic background on the European side, but caribbean life and culture and word usage is vastly different between Mexican culture and Caribbean culture.


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posted on May, 11 2010 @ 08:06 PM
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reply to post by DarkStormCrow
 


above was posted yes and no - some of the goals are the same, but there is a different flavor to the two sides.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by Just Wondering
To the OP,
excellent insight.
I am a bit confused on the mestizo part. I was always called mestizo because I was half white and half Mexican. I never thought of it as alos half Mexican and half Spaniard but I can see that point now.

I do not share your open borders point of view but I thank you for the post. very informative.

technically, its both right - I figured that the subject deserved more conversation than 'la raza hates the US' that i keep seeing about the threads.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 08:09 PM
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those of us grounded in reality understand la reconquista is a pipe dream at best, and is somewhat of a radical idea even amongst radicals. This is akin to the idea of reparations for slavery some claim is deserved - maybe, maybe not, but if no one tries to draw the pendulum to one side or the other, it won't move at all....



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 08:47 PM
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So you admire the philosophy of a mass murder and terrorist, an oppressor of his own people and a person who would limit the freedom of speech and press?
Che was a terrorist and a murder. Anyone during the cuban revolution, while he was there, who was against the revolution or spoke out, was arrested, personally signing the death warents or ordering the excution of thousands of people, some televised on the national tv network, while their families watched.
Castro has oppressed his people, when he decided to let them go, instead of making sure that they would arrive in Florida safely, did nothing to lift a hand to ensure that, if they died, then it was not a burden on him. From what I understand it is still a crime to speak about Fidel in Cuba.
Chavez, since taking power, has not only changed his countries constitution, he is there for life, but has made it a crime the first time to speak out against him, and if anyone does it a second time the charge is sedition and or treason and the person is imprisoned or killed at the will of the government.
And of course in Cuba and Venezula they start the school day proclaiming about the vitues of their respective leaders. So you can add in the indoctrination of the youth, where is the idea of free thoughts?
The main problem with what you propose is that the lands that are being claimed was won and paid for by the United States of America.
I asked what would stop other nationalities from doing such and you say your people, well guess what, if we did it for you, then I can provide you with BILLIONS of other people from around the world who could claim the exact same thing as you are. There are the African Americans, who could, using your reasoning, believe we should allow free travel between the United States of America and Africa and they often demand payment for their ancestors being slaves. I do not agree with that at all. Now I will tell you that I may not be aboriginie in background, but do enjoy the dingereedoo music. All that I see is a group asking and demanding special treatment to which they are not entitled to. Equal treatment I would agree to, but special treatment, no cause then you would advocate the legal discrimination against those groups you found not to be within your ideas. And if, for arguments sake you got what you wanted, where will you be in say 10 years? In the exact same boat, except you will look to what you do not have and then start to demand that you get what others have. At least here in the US, you have a chance to better yourself, and work to provide a better life for yourself and your children.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 09:10 PM
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Personally I'd rather live in a world free of any pendulum.

But that isn't the reality.

A separatist movement regardless what it is called, is racist.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 09:47 PM
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The word "mestizo" and its meaning has not change at all,


Mestizo is a colonial Spanish and Portuguese (Mestizo) term that was used in the Spanish Empire and Portuguese Empire in Latin America to refer to people of mixed European and Amerindian ancestry.[8]

The term was created specifically for those people of the particular racial mixture of Amerindian and European who comprise much of the population of Latin America. The term is also used in other parts of the world, although with different meanings.


The word was original used by the Colonial Spanish so any use of the word mestizo today that has nothing to do with its origins in the Spanish language of the Colonial times is by choice. . . as the definition changed . . .

en.wikipedia.org...

Now also the Mestizo word was used and adopted in the English language to point the mix of native Americans with mix European ancestry or (White people)


Main Entry: mes·ti·zo
Pronunciation: \-(ˌ)zō\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural mes·ti·zoZss
Etymology: Spanish, from mestizo, adjective, mixed, from Late Latin mixticius, from Latin mixtus, past participle of miscēre to mix — more at mix
Date: 1582
: a person of mixed blood; specifically : a person of mixed European and American Indian ancestry


www.merriam-webster.com...

Interesting to point out that Mestizo is actually a Spanish word to begin with that had its origins in Latin and modified for use during Spanish colonial times

That means if you were a "native Mexican" Aztec mix with Spaniard during colonial times you would have been considered a "mestizo".




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posted on May, 12 2010 @ 02:54 AM
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I can relate to your empathy for the people who feel that they have no home country because of the US/Mexican border. I do have a few questions about that though. Why, when I see gatherings of these people do I only see mexican flags? If they don't feel that they have a place in Mexico, why do they fly the flag exclusively?

Also, I have a good friend who has lived and worked in Mexico City since 1992. He came back to the US for my recent wedding and was intrigued by the discussion about illegal immigration and The National Council of La Raza's stance. He said that the whole thing sounds like a scam to him as he's never heard of the group where he lives. There are small groups that have been trying to pressure national officials to clean up corruption in Mexico but he's never heard "La Raza Unidas" or the National Council of La Raza named among them. It seems all that these groups care about is free entry into the United States but they don't really care about the corruption in their own country.

I guess what I'm saying is that I would take these groups more seriously if they were also lobbying Washington to put pressure on Mexico to clean up the corruption there and to try to do something about the rampant poverty in the border areas.



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 05:32 AM
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just completely ignores my post...

like legal means of immigration... doesnt exist if you dont think about it




posted on May, 12 2010 @ 06:11 AM
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This is similar to the question I have about movements like La Raza. Why isn't Mexico the goal (or whatever) instead of the US? Because the 2 environments and cultures are VERY different. It seems like people would want to be where their heart and true home is- what is familiar and comfortable. Isn't it logical that to be at home, where no adaptations or adjustments are needed at all, would be the most expedient? Where the people don't have to go so far out of their way? (or is it that the intent is to change the US so that it adapts to the Mexicans rather than the other way around?)
The only thing that I can see that inhibits Mexico from having a generally high standard of living (considering the talents of the population) is the corruption.
If Y'All could get rid of the corrupt ruling class & the drug lords, I would certainly trade you for the beaches, the incredible archaeology & the Universidad in Mexico City.



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 07:10 AM
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That is because movements like la Raza are political motivated (even if many members have no clue what that means) and financed by big corporations like The fortune 500 and political figures to pursue agendas that benefits those that make profits in the nation with illegals employees, no benefits and underpay wages.



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 12:42 PM
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It started out as a political party to help get more Chicano officials elected.

From Wiki:


The Raza Unida Party (RUP) (Spanish: Partido de la Raza Unida) is a United States third political party. Its official name is Partido Nacional de La Raza Unida. It was the first third party to be formed around ethnic lines. The party was termed La Raza in reference to the Mestizo people. The "La Raza Unida Party" sought better housing, job, and educational opportunities for Mexican-Americans. "Partido de la Raza Unida" literally translates as "Party of the People." Although "raza" can be translated to "race", in this context, "raza" is an endearment term in Spanish meaning "my people".



During the late 1970's the La Raza Unida Party decided to change tactic from a "get out the vote" organization to a more community based, grassroots, Revolutionary Nationalist formation seeking the unity of all Chicano, Latino and Native American peoples of the Southwestern United States which is commonly referred to as Aztlan. During the same time Xenaro Ayala was voted in as National Chairman a post he holds presently.





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[edit on 12-5-2010 by primus2012]



posted on May, 12 2010 @ 01:30 PM
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No only that they are building up with illegal immigrants a front to buy our whores in congress that have not problem opening their wallets and using tax payer money to support them.

Already La Raza succeeded in raking in over $15.2 million in federal grants last year alone, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools, and undisclosed amounts were for get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions.

All this tax payer money to support a movement that wants criminals that brake the laws in America to have rights.

Most of this money goes back into the fat rats sucking up to radical groups like this at the expenses of lawful hard working tax payer.

The corruption in our government is running rampant I wonder if the lawful American citizens revolt against all this corruption where La raza group will go




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