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Teacher Deems American Flag 'Offensive'

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posted on May, 11 2010 @ 01:16 AM
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reply to post by WolfofWar
 


I understand what you're saying, and I'm not debating the point with you. I'm just saying that the mother seemed to think that there was some political motivation behind it on the teacher's part, and that perhaps Fox was simply stating the mother's opinion as she told it to them.



“That showed where she stood in the political spectrum,” she said “But this was not a political class. This was not a religious class. This was an art class. “


www.foxnewsradio.com...




posted on May, 11 2010 @ 01:18 AM
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Fair enough.

I can understand that argument in defense of Fox's inclusion of it in the article. I disagree that it was actually what they were doing, but I do see your point.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by CowPatty
reply to post by Portugoal
 


Only
In
California.

What is wrong with those people? Is it something in the water?


No

It's that we don't screw chickens or our cousins



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 01:36 AM
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reply to post by Janky Red
 


Geographically based stereotypes and bigotry, yeah, because that's the way to win over the hearts and minds of people.

Good job, you get the "Reason I hate humanity" award for today.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 01:59 AM
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No wonder you people crashed planes into your own buildings...it all makes sense now...



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 02:57 AM
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I find it odd, that as a teacher, one thing that stands at the top of the list that a teacher must have is......tact. When it comes to being the one in charge of teaching what this child, or any child is going to use the rest of her life, she didn`t use the very first thing on the list. In fact, it was like she never heard of the word, and what it means.


I have no issue with that statement. The teacher is open to criticism for her tactless handling of the situation. But in what way is tactlessness worthy of a national scandal?

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement:

Originally posted by FiatLux
The sad part is, it is suppose to stand for a nation of united people. Now it is being used to pull those people apart...


What makes me really angry is the source of the beat-up and the knee-jerk reaction of people to condemn their fellow citizens without understanding what the issue is.

I do take issue with the following statement.

Originally posted by FiatLux
So to me, what that teacher done was no more then spit in the faces of my family.


When in fact what the teacher was doing was supporting respect for the flag, which by your logic is supporting respect for the sacrifices of your family.

I really take issue with this statement:

Originally posted by FiatLux
It`s funny, this teacher lives in this country, teaches in this country, and takes pay from this country, yet can`t stand this country. I would ask this tearher to their face, if you hate it soooo much, why not leave it? I would even help them pack, then fly them, boat them, or even drive them to where they want to go. My love for all the people of this world gets pushed to the limits when things like this happens.


How does a teacher's lact of tact in discussion with a student translate to the teacher "can't stand the country" and needs to be kicked out? It may reflect on her competence, but what does it have to do with her love of country?

Do you not see what these nasty-minded scandal-mongering talking-heads are doing to you? They are twisting every trivial non-consequential personal slight into something exactly the opposite of what it is about and the result is that your knee-jerk reaction is to be offended by someone seeking to improve the respect for the flag you want to cherish as a symbol of your family's sacrifice.

Yes, that is exactly what Faux News is doing here: using the flag to tear people apart.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 03:52 AM
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Originally posted by niteboy82
Why on Earth are people so wrapped up in this flag? Patriotism? Better think again...

Who cares about the method of offense.. I'm offended as well. When's the last time you picked up a flag in the store and looked at the tag? "Made in China?"

No thanks, I don't need a bit of cloth made in a country completely handicapped in the realm of human dignity and rights to wave around and act like I care about my country that the same China seems hell-bent on buying up and destroying.


A student painting a flag deems it Made in the USA, no?

Other than that, I agree that this made in China guff is an absolute offense we're all sucker into.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 03:59 AM
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I think this is ridiculous, hands down. If freedom of speech doesn't let you draw a picture of an American Flag, then what the hell can you do. Nothing, apparently, that goes against the established politcal party's agenda - which is the whole reason freedom of speech exists in the first place, TO CHALLENGE THE STANDING POLITICAL PARTY.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 04:00 AM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by CowPatty
reply to post by Portugoal
 


Only
In
California.

What is wrong with those people? Is it something in the water?


No

It's that we don't screw chickens or our cousins




Apparently, this means you like to keep children in the classroom from having any opinions or drawing things that go against your political ideology. This isn't creepy at all.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by WolfofWar
 


I understand what you're saying, and I'm not debating the point with you. I'm just saying that the mother seemed to think that there was some political motivation behind it on the teacher's part, and that perhaps Fox was simply stating the mother's opinion as she told it to them.



“That showed where she stood in the political spectrum,” she said “But this was not a political class. This was not a religious class. This was an art class. “


www.foxnewsradio.com...


Art class, huh. Too bad you can only draw things the liberals think are appropriate (aka mesh with their agenda.) If this was a REAL art class, you could draw offensive things that fly in the face of the establishment. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF ART. A real artist knows that art is never about being society's b***tch, but about being a rebel, about controversy, about pushing the boundaries, about drawing whatever the hell you want to because you CAN.

I give that kid an A+ in his art class because he drew something that MADE THE NEWS and was CONTROVERSIAL, and BROUGHT ATTENTION TO A REAL ISSUE. A true artist, making real art. Kudos.

[edit on 11-5-2010 by darkbake]

[edit on 11-5-2010 by darkbake]

Edit: Ok went back to the original article, yes, it is an art class, not a religion or political class, therefore the teacher has no right to direct which political philosophies or religions the students can or cannot draw, or to push his or her political or religion / atheist agenda on anyone.

[edit on 11-5-2010 by darkbake]



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 04:05 AM
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Originally posted by prionace glauca

Originally posted by CowPatty
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Sounds like maybe this Administration should list the Teachers Union as a possible terrorist organization that wants to overthrow the US government.


Anyone who donated to this administration and voted for it, has a free pass to destroy the United States of America as they see fit. If such an organization needs help in the destruction just call team OBAMA, they will be glad to take action against anyone who stands in your way. Just look at out Team OBAMA is trying to sue Arizona for passing a Illegal Immigration modeled after the Federal bill....


yeah obama shouldn't have told that teacher what to do! America was doing just fine and dandy then he came along and ruined it all! he robbed me and my family at gun point, honest!



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 04:10 AM
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A flag cannot be offensive.

What people who follow that flag believe can be offensive.

If that teacher believes it is offensive, she should not only NOT teach in the USA, she should NOT live there either.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 04:11 AM
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When in fact what the teacher was doing was supporting respect for the flag, which by your logic is supporting respect for the sacrifices of your family.


I missed this part. I see where she deemed the flag as inappropriate and offensive. But supporting respect of it? Where did you see this posted at?

Here is what I think.

This teacher is a complete waste of space. She is a far left lunatic who's agenda is to push her politics onto the kids in her class. I don't believe in kicking her out of the country, because I believe in freedom of speech. I do however believe she should have her teaching license completely revoked.

[edit on 11-5-2010 by ventian]



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 04:16 AM
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The separation of church and state is to preserve religion from governmental interference, NOT the other way around.


Read more: www.foxnewsradio.com...

I read that from someone who commented on the Fox news site, about time someone figured that out.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 04:17 AM
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Stupid Socialist teacher..................

You're job is to keep your head under the sand

Until you're READY to take power.

Then accept getting shot like every other teacher that brought upon a socialist government.

Ha ha, she got ahead of herself. Stupid marixist...... now she won't have a following and no reason to shoot her when the marixists take over.

Gah she'll live to be old.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 04:17 AM
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okay why do you think she shouldn't be kicked out (I assume you mean fired) because of free speech but should lose her teaching license (I think you mean teaching credential) because of what she said?

how does that make sense?



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 04:55 AM
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I meant she shouldn't be kicked out of the country itself like some people were implying. Sorry for the mix up. She wants to be that way, let her dig trenches, not teach students.

Went and edited my post.


[edit on 11-5-2010 by ventian]



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 05:01 AM
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I do take issue with the following statement.

Originally posted by FiatLux
So to me, what that teacher done was no more then spit in the faces of my family.




When in fact what the teacher was doing was supporting respect for the flag, which by your logic is supporting respect for the sacrifices of your family.


Sorry if you don`t like what I wrote, but i stand by it. She has a very poor way of expressing herself when showing respect, if that`s what you want to call it, and with a child of all people.



I really take issue with this statement:

Originally posted by FiatLux
It`s funny, this teacher lives in this country, teaches in this country, and takes pay from this country, yet can`t stand this country. I would ask this tearher to their face, if you hate it soooo much, why not leave it? I would even help them pack, then fly them, boat them, or even drive them to where they want to go. My love for all the people of this world gets pushed to the limits when things like this happens.



How does a teacher's lact of tact in discussion with a student translate to the teacher "can't stand the country" and needs to be kicked out? It may reflect on her competence, but what does it have to do with her love of country?


You call that a discussion? How can anyone tell? You can take what she said either way. She tells her she can`t draw that flag because it`s disrespectful? Gee teacher.......in what way is it being disrespectful? Maybe if she would have elaborated what she meant by "disrespectful". Disrespectful to who or what, the flag, the people, or those who don`t like this country? Which one?

Either way, what I said stands. If she hates this country, I would show her the door, and if you think what she said was her way of showing her love of this country, she has a very very poor way of expressing it to a child, and still needs to learn how to use tact when dealing with children. As for the news media putting this out there, maybe it`s best that they did. At least it shows how some teachers are working with our kids. And their not working with them in a very positive way.

Now, if you don`t like these statements I just made, I have some tissues for those issues that you can have.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 05:08 AM
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You know what's sad. I am actually watching band of brothers right now as I stumbled onto this thread. It is really sad to think all those men..... boys, Died for nothing. Welcome to America, where its offensive to be American. This is the country you people want for your kids? One day you'll wake up... but it will be gone.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 05:29 AM
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Honestly guys,

teachers are not allowed to kick kids out because of the American flag.

Someone is trying to start #,

Where are the parents raising hell over this?

the only thing Everyone Mexicans and Americans should find offensive in schools are bilingual classes.

You in America teach in English!!! Every other country in the world Teaches English except America.



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