An example of what is inside the document.

The Goals of MJ-12 Group.


Special or unusual conditions for... Official Disclosure.

Wow!

I starred and Flagged this sucker to hopefully get people in here and check this out. If this is legit, then what an amazing find.

I've scoured over a few of the pages and actually as of writing this and looking over the pages I went to the last page and seen an order form for tons of dvd's lol. So that just changed everything for me.

I'm guessing this information has been out for awhile. How does anyone go about confirming if these are legit government papers or just another good hoax.

Sheeesh what a sloppy world what the hell is really going on?

Well done.

Either this stuff is true or there is one heck of a good band of story writers on this Earth.

I'll stick with it being true. Sounds just like a military book/writing.

Should be interesting to see what the Debunkers say. S&F

ANY way you can put up Chapter 6 Section III? Very interesting indeed.

[edit on 5/10/2010 by anon72]

Nice find....this is definately something to spend a few minutes to look at.

I've heard people say that this has been "proved false" but I've never seen them present any information on it. I mean it looks real, but that doesn't mean that it is. I'd like to believe it is real, I'd also like to know where it came from.

It doesn't really prove anything, I could probably write something equally convincing this evening if I was inclined to do so.
I don't find this document to be of great significance to any form of quest for 'the truth' of the UFO phenomenon.

Ummm. what. What! I doubt this is real...

If it is authentic I would LOVE to see page 31.

Some great points have been made in the past (and on this thread already) both for and against it.

For me, I think it's a combination of both real info, and enough bogus material to keep persons out of jail... This is fairly typical if you know something of the folks who brought this material forward (this bunch of guys are mostly regarded as bad eggs in UFOlogy, but then fondly by others...pick your poison). Basically, some of the same guys who brought us the alien autopsy film. Either they are writers with a LOT of time on their hands, and a penchant for a TON of research to fake these things....or, they take legitimate docs and then sprinkle in some disinfo bs, enough to avoid being killed in the night.

As for which one is true, who knows? It's a lot like Lazar's story...has some good evidence both for and against it.

I have another thread around here somewhere, just on this manual, in which I've tried to identify each coded location, etc. If complete fiction...it's really very thorough. The question I asked Stan Friedman is an example of it, OPNAC.... really obscure anagram (shows the level of research here, if just fiction), and often, we've seen suspected UFO-related docs (when talking about the biological entities) being the providence of the Navy.

The "satellite" thing has bugged me too...except one can assume this book wasn't meant to be updated yearly, and with planned satellites by the US and Soviet Union, it wouldn't have been a stretch to include them...but yes, just one more tick on the "con" side....

The FBI investigated the matter, and quickly formed doubts as to the documents' authenticity. FBI personnel contacted the U.S. Air Force, asking if MJ-12 had ever existed. The Air Force reported that no such committee had ever been authorized, and had never been formed. The FBI presently declares that "The investigation was closed after it was learned that the document was completely bogus."

It would stand to reason that the FBI would have been completely out of the loop of MJ-12. Indeed, there is some evidence suggesting Hoover knew about the retrievals, and was quite miffed about being out of the loop.

Critics note that the documents are of suspicious provenance. Shandera and Good both claimed to have received documents from anonymous senders, and most subsequent MJ-12 documents have surfaced under equally questionable circumstances.

This is true, but there is also corroboration with other documents, some were even found in official records, etc. So source is an issue, but not for ALL the docs.

Though Good initially thought the documents were genuine, he has since, according to Philip Klass, expressed "suspicions about the new ... documents" due to "some factual anomalies in their content."

Any skeptic should be "suspicious" of them, but doesn't mean we ignore them....

UFO researcher Jerome Clark discusses the MJ-12 documents in the "Hoaxes" section of his The UFO Book, and strongly favors a hoax interpretation. He notes that as of 1998

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, a mere "handful" of ufologists support the documents' authenticity.

What arguments does he give for the sheer volume of work necessary to perpetrate such a hoax, with seemingly no gain?

Another bit of evidence—which perhaps argues against Menzel's membership, at least—is that in 1949, he reported a UFO encounter to the U.S. Air Force. It is argued Menzel would have no reason to send a "confidential" UFO report to the Air Force two years later when he witnessed two aerial lights he described as "exceptional." Furthermore, Menzel's 1949 report makes no mention of any such group as MJ-12. See the main Donald Menzel page for more information and a counterargument.

Hillenkoeter was a NICAP member, so what? If we are to follow the docs, we can see that many MJ-12 members infiltrated more mainstream UFO groups, in order to control the flow of information (if we are to believe the docs).

Scientific forensic linguistic testing was applied to select Majestic Documents in 2007 by Dr. Carol Chaski and evidence was found to disprove attributed authorship. Dr. Chaski is the founder of The Institute for Linguistic Evidence (ILE), a research organization that validates reliable document authentication techniques and provides assistance to investigators and attorneys in criminal and civil trials whenever the authorship of any document is questioned or suspicious.."[48]

The format by the Majestic-12 Documents, with justification and different fonts and type-sizes, generates some doubts: the first typewriter with IBM typeballs (selector compensator) and with it replaceable fonts was the IBM 72, built from 1962, and only the successors of this machine also had the memory necessary for justification.

On the surface, this would seem to be a pretty big blow. However, this is IF all of the docs were produced by the same typewriter. That is NOT the claim at all....and indeed, there are at least a few different docs that are quite obviously done with a manual typewriter, due to the same letter being raised in the rows, etc. (something a typeball would not do)

Page 11 of the Special Operations Manual SOM1-01 refers to "Area 51 S4", which is the same nomenclature and location referenced by R. Lazar 35 years later in 1989. Given the history which is known about Area 51, it is unlikely that the S4 facility could have been built as early as 1954, nor that the government would continue to employ the same nomenclature, and the same physical facilities, for 4 decades.

Highly unlikely? I could think of quite a few military locations that have the same function and designation even more than 50 years after their creation (and many, right in the same area, I might add)....