Anger over reality television 'virgin auction'

It is their choice in the end, no matter how weird and distasteful i personally find it. The fact that a large part of the westernized world is turning into a cultural and moral cesspool people shouldn't be surprised with things like this in all honesty. Again it is their choice to participate, i can't imagine the sort of mindset someone needs to even begin thinking this is a good idea...but that's just me.

Though I agree with how low and sick this is, I wonder,

What if someone bought the virginity of one of those girls and never uses it?

Would they have to remain a virgin for the rest of their life and can they be sued if they cheat?

All the people who watch this show make it possible, just like people reading gossip magazines making them possible.

Reality tv has become quite a popular brainwashing tool into lower moral standards.

I am glad I stopped my cable subscription 3 years ago.

And for those people who think it's OK, what if your daughter would go on the show? You still would be proud?

End of sarcastic broadcast.

GM

Wow. How about instead of legalizing it to make it safe, we look at the reasons people become prostitutes or take on illegal professions to begin with. People do it mainly because they need the money. Our society makes it too hard for everybody to make it. The world banks, etc are keeping us all down. Sure there are a few who do it for the thrill or becuase they are super greedy, but thats a small percentage. Most people who have everything they need in life will not turn to prostitution or drug dealing just so they can have more. People take that huge risk because they are in a position where they might feel like they have no choice. So the problem is the same problem with everything else thats going on, we are being ruled by A-holes.


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It happened a couple of years ago on Ebay in the US and the UK,

searchwarp.com...

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"#2 - Virginity: An 18-year-old British girl sold her virginity on eBay - but it was bought by a businessman who kindly agreed to give her the money without actually taking the 'service'. "


I am from the UK and I remember seeing this on the news at the time, and the "businessman" story is not what it said on the UK news channels, it said the winner was a man in his 50's and was a British Telecoms engineer!

Just found this

women.timesonline.co.uk...

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"A student has auctioned her virginity to a stranger for almost £20,000 to help fund her university tuition fees.

The 19-year-old New Zealand woman offered her virginity to the highest bidder in an online auction on the www.ineed.co.nz website after she found herself desperate for money. "



If you look on the web, there are loads of girls that have sold off their virginity on online auctions! As much as I find the idea disgusting, girls are already doing it and men are paying for it, then who am I to judge.

It's a bit of a 2 sided sword, who is taking advantage of who? Is the man taking advantage of the girl, who is desperate (?), or the girl taking advantage of the man, for quite large amounts of cash because she knows she has something (virginity) that some men would be desperate (?) enough to pay for?


Personally I find these auction sales and the t.v. show wrong and can not see it as anything else but prostitution. Is not offering yourself for sex in exchange for money, prostitution



The outcome will always be the same, they will have sex (good or bad) and she will walk away with a large amount of cash. Who really is the loser?


Peace




[edit on 11-5-2010 by Myrddin Wyllt]

Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by Smiggle

 

Thanks

So basically prostitution is legal there and there are also laws in place to protect them from being exploited by pimps. I hope I'm understanding that correctly.

Yes, though basically there is a small differenciation between prostitution being 'decriminalized' and prostitution being 'legal', as there is a difference between 'prostitute' and 'prostitution'. Sex workers are deemed independent self employed, or independent contractors and cannot be arrested for being a sex worker (prostitute), though there are regulations as to where the business of prostitution takes place and how the act of 'solicitation' is preformed. The law to soliciting is related to the Summary Offenses Act, and the building/premises/designated street working areas are basically a Local Council Issue, which if broken, can come under the Summary Offenses Act - laws.

Decriminalization of prostitution enables safer health and business practices, both for sex worker and client. Reduces opportunistic illegal corruption and abuse of sex workers, enables sex workers to report abuse such as violence and robbery without fear of arrest for being a sex worker, protects their business rights, reduces stigmatization through validity of the profession, enables the sex worker to be self determining ... and yes, it disables exploitation from overseers/pimps/minders. (plus many other aspects of general working and living rights).


Actually this brings up another thought I had about why the show has moved to the US to be filmed. Unless they have some special conditions in place, I am wondering: if the classification of what is happening is termed 'prostitution' in the States, then the show, or specifically the girl, would need a 'greencard' or some form of permit to 'work' in the US regradless if she was working from a state where prostitiution is legal or not - (meaning they could do it over the internet which is non demographic) ...

any law/media/film ATSers here that live in the US to nut this one out with me?

Just a few points to clear up misconceptions in this thread:

This show is being televised in America. It was illegal in Australia.

Prostitution is only legal in Australia if carried out in a legal brothel. It's not legal to solicit on the street. It's not legal to pimp girls out. Legalisation of brothels is a council responsibility, so locals have plenty of say in the matter.

So far, there are not "girls" offering to go on this show, there is one girl and two guys. As there is no way to know if a man is a virgin I don't believe anyone will pony up US$20,000 for sex with the guys.


I can't resist pointing out the funniest post in this thread:

Originally posted by For(Home)Country
The world doesn't know what morales are anymore.

Well, For(Home)Country, you might appreciate me teaching the masses on your behalf . . .

morale
■ noun the confidence and feeling of well-being of a person or group at a particular time.

Originally posted by Kailassa
Just a few points to clear up misconceptions in this thread:


This show is being televised in America. It was illegal in Australia.

Yes, I was wonndering why it was moved from Melbourne to the US - what reasons were givien - be interested to know.

Prostitution is only legal in Australia if carried out in a legal brothel. It's not legal to solicit on the street. It's not legal to pimp girls out. Legalisation of brothels is a council responsibility, so locals have plenty of say in the matter.

Just to clarify: Prostitution is 'decriminalized' in Australia which enables the worker not to be prosecuted by law because it is no longer a criminal offense.

Clarification: Soliciting for the purpose of prostitution is legal on the street as long as both worker and client are in a 'Designated Street Sex Working Area' - and these are certain areas provided for the solicitation of sex between worker and client, which have been designated by Council and understood by police that arrest for soliciting is not applicable.

Street based sex workers and clients are not told where they can solicit for the purpose of prostitution, but are told where they 'cannot' solicit - (with the exception of the Designated Areas assigned). There are select definitions (Summary Offenses Act) such as a road or road related area, in a vehicle, if the worker/client is in view of a dwelling, a school, a church, a hospital, a kindergarten, or a public place - this also includes trespassing (on these premises grounds). If a worker or client are found to be soliciting in areas which are termed by the Summary Offenses Act then they are breaking the law and can be charged for 'soliciting for the purpose of prostitution' though, not for 'prostitution' (the act of) itself.

Some councils do not allow soliciting, or sex approved premises in their council electorate boundaries - other Councils do allow different sex working premises approval, under different classifications (dependant on number of workers, type of services offered etc) and must also adhere to the laws in the Summary Offenses Act as to where they 'cannot' be located.

Home based sex workers can conduct their business from their home (rented premises in their name, or owned premises) but there are restrictions in some States as to the number of people conducting businesses from the premises - some allow one person, some allow 2 (at the same time). Though these places are also classified in some Council Policy and regulations as Brothels and not Home based personal services.
Some Councils do not approve residential working premises because they cannot be in view of certain places by law.

All business applications for brothels must go through council as any other business, and the council by law must publish all applications in a local paper for public transperency. Residents have the same channels to respond to the published BA and/or DA for a premises to conduct prostitution as they do for any business in their area. Approval for Brothels are usually defined by Councils Brothel Policy Regulations Documents.

I can't resist pointing out the funniest post in this thread:

Originally posted by For(Home)Country
The world doesn't know what morales are anymore.

Well, For(Home)Country, you might appreciate me teaching the masses on your behalf . . .

morale
■ noun the confidence and feeling of well-being of a person or group at a particular time.

[edit on 11/5/10 by Smiggle]

[edit on 11/5/10 by Smiggle]

reply to post by Smiggle


Thanks for clarifying the situation.

I hope any girls doing this don't land themselves with an experience that will put them off sex for life. As an oldie looking back, it seems my freedom to choose was worth more than the money they'll get. $20,000 minus 10% and minus expenses will not go far these days.

Back in my college days I had a madam try to recruit me, and I'd sometimes read ads to work for escort agencies, and wondered if I was being silly to live in poverty and go hungry as I put myself through college. In common with a lot of pros, I'd been abused as a kid, and already knew the pro trick of just turning off and not being there while a man does his thing, but I never wanted to go through being used again.

The poverty and hunger didn't last, and now I'm glad I didn't sacrifice my happiness for an easy monetary "solution".

Uh....isn't prostitution considered illegal and generally frowned upon?

To make television entertainment of it...well, I guess it shows just how low our televised entertainment have sunk.

ETA: Oh, legal in Australia. Still...yeah....

[edit on 11-5-2010 by David_Reale]

reply to post by Kailassa


Thanks for telling your story there - I think what the laws are trying to do is to give the responsibility (and power) to the person with the 'goods' and in doing so try and stop the corruption and violence. Stats reveal it has made some improvement in combating some situations the majority of the time, but there have already been arrests for corruption of council personel legalizing premises in the wrong places due to under the table payments

but back to the topic
Im not interested in watching the show when it airs - but I'd be more interested to see how the Production Company managed to get this whole idea approved and take it overseas to film in the States ... I hope they do a 'the making of' - that would be more interesting to me

Smigs

"this is I'm afraid where society has taken us... to this kind of Lowest Common Denominator where our self respect and morals are just chucked out the window and common sense is replaced by dollar signs.."

Society hasn't taken us there. Changing society is the target/ goal. Hollywood & the media have created these "trends". If people refused to support (watch, read about it & buy the products) this crap, they would move on to something else. Too bad we can't learn to flip through the "offerings" the same way people flip channels. We should have the same ability for politicians, too, imo.
as in NEXT!

reply to post by Smiggle


Thanks for the information.

It's commendable that they have worked out a system that prevents people in that line of work from being abused, exploited, etc.

Originally posted by dolphinfan

This has to be a new low in the level of self-respect of people generally. I am less distressed about the folks who are putting themselves up for auction than I am the folks who would actually bid on it. Clearly there is something wrong with the folks who are willing to essentially place themselves in a meat auction and to the extent that you have the dough and are willing to pay for it to have a virgin, ranks you down at the bottom of the human food chain.

It also ranks you as a fool. How do you actually know the person is a virgin? I'm pretty sure that at least 99% of the folks who would do this are also quite comfortable lying.

Whats next? Auctioning the ability to mutilate someone? Pulling the switch on a legal execution?

On so many levels this is wrong and it is sanctioned prostitution, which I realize is legal in Australia and have no problem with, but the spectical of it is disgusting

www.telegrap h.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 10-5-2010 by dolphinfan]

Depends how high the bids get.
Id auction off my virginity for a couple million dollars for sure.
If i was a female, and still had it.

reply to post by Kailassa


They will receive more than $20,000. They will receive $20,000 for being on the show and they will also receive 90% of the highest bid for their virginity.

Originally posted by Smiggle

Thanks for telling your story there - I think what the laws are trying to do is to give the responsibility (and power) to the person with the 'goods' and in doing so try and stop the corruption and violence. Stats reveal it has made some improvement in combating some situations the majority of the time, but there have already been arrests for corruption of council personel legalizing premises in the wrong places due to under the table payments

Yes, despite the system not being perfect, it's still better than making a trade which always has gone on and always will go on illegal, and leaving sex workers with no protection.

As Jesus once said, "the whore will always be with us", (He did say something like that, didn't he?), so it's only Christian to help these girls, (and guys,) find a safe way to ply their trade.

Im not interested in watching the show when it airs - but I'd be more interested to see how the Production Company managed to get this whole idea approved and take it overseas to film in the States ... I hope they do a 'the making of' - that would be more interesting to me

I'd just as soon watch child porn as watch this show. I don't judge the contestants, although I think going on it is a silly thing to do, but I believe the organisers of this show are doing something utterly vile.

But yes, the behind the scenes story could be interesting.

[edit on 11/5/10 by Kailassa]

Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by Kailassa

 

They will receive more than $20,000. They will receive $20,000 for being on the show and they will also receive 90% of the highest bid for their virginity.

I hope they find it's worth it. Just thinking about it makes me want to vomit.

How could a man enjoy sex with someone who would not do it with him if he was not paying her?
I've never understood the reasoning behind forced, coerced or bought sex.

reply to post by Kailassa


quote:
"As there is no way to know if a man is a virgin I don't believe anyone will pony up US$20,000 for sex with the guys. "


Gay guys perhaps? The guys could be "gay virgins"..........

And how would they know if he was a gay virgin or not....... think about it....lol!

Peace



[edit on 11-5-2010 by Myrddin Wyllt]

[edit on 11-5-2010 by Myrddin Wyllt]

Originally posted by Myrddin Wyllt

"As there is no way to know if a man is a virgin I don't believe anyone will pony up US$20,000 for sex with the guys. "

Gay guys perhaps? The guys could be "gay virgins"..........

And how would they know if he was a gay virgin or not....... think about it....lol!

Peace

Squeeze and squeal.
At least that's what a 16 year old male prostitute told me he when I was treating him at a drug rehab centre - after he'd contracted HIV.

Every night on the street he was a virgin all over again.

He got good prices because guys sizing him up, (mostly respected, married businessmen cruising in their Mercs and BMWs,) could see he was new to this, and thus wouldn't be infected yet.

Last time I treated him he was 20, starting to look ill, but was still getting good prices for his virginity.


It can be a sad world.

Originally posted by Kailassa

Originally posted by Myrddin Wyllt

"As there is no way to know if a man is a virgin I don't believe anyone will pony up US$20,000 for sex with the guys. "

Gay guys perhaps? The guys could be "gay virgins"..........

And how would they know if he was a gay virgin or not....... think about it....lol!

Peace

Squeeze and squeal.
At least that's what a 16 year old male prostitute told me he when I was treating him at a drug rehab centre - after he'd contracted HIV.

Every night on the street he was a virgin all over again.

He got good prices because guys sizing him up, (mostly respected, married businessmen cruising in their Mercs and BMWs,) could see he was new to this, and thus wouldn't be infected yet.

Last time I treated him he was 20, starting to look ill, but was still getting good prices for his virginity.


It can be a sad world.

I think you missed my point....lol

A Gay guy can't pretend to be a virgin if his asshole is the size of the Mersey tunnel!


Peace

Originally posted by Myrddin Wyllt
I think you missed my point....lol

A Gay guy can't pretend to be a virgin if his asshole is the size of the Mersey tunnel!

Peace

Muscles, my dear.
You know, those things that enable you to squeeze your mouth shut, no matter how much you put into it yesterday.

Some people actually learn to use them.