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Originally posted by pablos
Take the bible. If you were to take it literally and get abducted by aliens then that surely would prove the existence of aliens though offers little proof of God.
I recently started watching Bill Maher, Christopher Hitchins, and Richard Dawkins. They have provided me with the information I needed to confirm that I truly don't believe there is a god.
Originally posted by slank
I say i am atheist, but technically i think i am agnostic & the bulk of the evidence points to no anthropomorphic type god.
Science shows we can not possibly be the only life nor the only intelligent life in this unimaginably vast domain of our Universe.
So some humanoid god just doesn't even make sense.
'All powerful' would have to mean over the entire Universe [& possibly beyond]
And even if there were some kind of supposed all-powerful god, i would reject it. Because my independent, self-willed existence would be canceled out by that.
'All-powerful' means there is no room left for me.
& that doesn't work in my book.
I am nobody's & nothing's puppet as far as i can see [within circumstantial reason] & have no intention of surrendering to anything of that sort.
Do people want to be tyrannized?
Especially by the irrational, psychotic, madmen that seem to the so-called 'god's' of religious texts?
And if god is supposedly all powerful, WTF does he [she? it?] need my acquiescence anyway?
That just doesn't even make sense.
I personally believe there is & always will be infinitely more we will never understand or know about than what little we think we know.
Physics is sort of the rules [functioning relationships] of the Universe. Quantum blows a lot of those out of the water, at least on the hyper-micro scale.
I am sure there are many things we have convincing evidence of that can not be simply, rationally 'explained' by normal means.
I wouldn't exactly leap to attribute elaborate mystic rationales for them, but clearly standard science can't explain them & in most cases avoids them & lives in denial.
I am here to experience [as per my own self-direction]. & perhaps 'learn' if that is or could be useful.
Why aren't we satisfied with the sensory experience itself? [genuine question] Do we think we 'know'/sense there is something more? Do we need to see some deeper subterfuge?
Why shouldn't that under most circumstances be 'enough'?
Are we just naturally suspicious?
Is it our minds compulsion/nature to 'strategize'?
The experience is not enough so we have to leverage it somehow?
I don't know if that is good or bad, or good or bad depending on random circumstances.
We pejoratize hedonism as this horrible thing.
But if it is a light & delicate thing, consuming the splendor of a blue skied day? Smelling the roses along the way.
In a weird way it is almost like we are suspicious, conspiratorial about living well. It may have served some implicit strategy of evolution, but that certainly doesn't make it 'morally superior'.
But i suspect many of our supposed 'moral superiorities' really arise more from our genetic inclinations, rather than some intellectual, mental 'teachings' from some 'divine' book(s).
Any religion that goes against the grain of our [stronger] genetic inclinations can not last, imo.
although if we are to survive as a species i think we really need to examine many ideas that grate on every delicate [& gross] sensibility we have.
But i don't think we [myself probably sadly included] have the intellectual strength & fortitude for that kind of clinical, critical self examination(s).
So i will try to experience the wash of sensory input.
& Try to not let my inevitable [neurotic?] compulsion to 'figure things out', to 'know', overwhelm the simple experience of living.
Part of the joy of experience is the sense of discovery. If you already 'know' you can't discover, more pragmatically you won't bother to experience because you will THINK you already 'know'.
If 'knowledge' becomes a reason not to 'find out' it becomes a kind of death.
'knowledge' that is some kind of interim 'best estimate' keeps it alive, animate & open to change.
Terminal knowledge = death.
The Universe unfolds around us all the time, & perhaps instead of trying to break into that heart of that unfolding & lock & chain it in some steel cage, we may be better off to simply let it unfold as it will.
I don't want to be a hypocrite & overstate it, but i do think we need to at least consider & experiment with taking a different tack.
I think religion/philosophy form the 'basis of operation' for our lives.
I think a firm yet adaptable basis sounds about the best from my perspective.
[edit on 10-5-2010 by slank]