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The first steps to welfare reform...

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posted on May, 10 2010 @ 12:52 AM
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We all agree it needs to be redone, but we have to stop putting it off. I myself don't want children going hungry. There are many people on these programs though, that keep having children to get more money. These people are known as sociopaths, all of them. They should be dealt with immediately.

First step in reform is drug testing. I work, and pay taxes that they live on. I also submit to random drug tests to keep on doing the first two. They should have to submit to random screenings as well. If they fail, take away their kids and program benefits. Then tie them off where they can't breed anymore.

The second step is to limit the children. Now they would still be allowed to go into the program with as many children as they have currently, but no more following that. If they have more then there would be some sort of punishment. While beginning these programs if they were to have children then they could have no more than x amount granted they didn't already have x amount or over.

Sounds harsh, but imagine this. Inmates in a prison are now open to living with the opposite sex. They can breed and when they get a new kid, they get a more luxurious life. That is the current state of welfare.

I would love to hear everyone's take on this. Before you go all bleeding heart on this, I should let you know. This is my take on the situation. If you have a better take on it then put that up.

/heavesupflameshield




posted on May, 10 2010 @ 12:54 AM
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I think giving everyone free energy/anti-gravity could solve everything. The tech is out there...


[edit on 10-5-2010 by kyle43]



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 01:06 AM
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reply to post by ventian
 

I tend to agree with most of what ur saying
however, let me say this.
If u thought the LA riots were bad,
just wait til Uncle Sam stops ALL those
welfare checks. There will be riots in every
state. Getting the addict off the drug
will be the hard part. And it will come
at a high cost. But is necessary.


[edit on 10-5-2010 by boondock-saint]



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 01:06 AM
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I agree wholeheartedly. TPTB could set us all up so we could live like the Jetsons/Star Trek if they wanted to, but they instead want us to suffer in their evil cesspit of a global empire. Unfortunately, if the government really did try to keep the career welfare trailer twits from breeding, the fundamentalist christians would have a turbocharged hissyfit. Of course, they could kick their asses off of welfare all of a sudden. That would certainly accomplish the NWO's depopulation goals in a hurry.



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 01:25 AM
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I agree, Ventian. Mandatory sterilization after a maximum of 2 kids, unless they began receiving welfare with one. But if they already have 2 (or more), they should be required to work some kind of job. Maybe housekeeping/ janitorial for city/ county buildings- including the prisons. Their kids could be placed in an empty room (say an empty court chamber) after school like a study hall & assign a few of them to be caregivers for the under school age children of other welfare recipients. No pay, just their welfare benefits. If they are able, they should have to do something.

I have a very bad attitude about people with the hard drugs- especially meth lab types & crackheads. Or prescription addicts (who are generally affluent & not on welfare unless it's later) I'm not sure I even want to go there.

Bleeding hearts are a mask. They would be the proverbial wolves in sheep's clothing, I prefer to call them "the snakes".



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 01:34 AM
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I agree to an extent with the addicts part. I actually sympathize with them sometimes on the overcoming part and how hard it is (I smoke cigarettes), but at the same time, they have to have some sort of sobriety every once in awhile to notice what they are doing. Drug dealers on the other hand, (crack, meth, coc aine types especially) disgust me to no end.



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 01:35 AM
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Yea they need a super fix to the addiction problem. I honestly wonder if the government wants it fixed though.



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 01:51 AM
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I agree 250% lets get started. But a word of warning, I posted a thread close almost the same as this and got beaten with a iron rod.....So get ready...lol

I give you a f/s but your going to need a ak47 before you get done with this one..


[edit on 10-5-2010 by Loken68]



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 02:08 AM
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I smoke, too. If I ever resorted to some of that kind of stuff just to get a cigarette, I would honestly hope that somebody would just shoot me (not DH. lol Somebody has to take care of the dogs)

I have witnessed some addiction situations second & third hand that did not end well. But yeah, there but for the Grace of God...



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by Loken68
I agree 250% lets get started. But a word of warning, I posted a thread close almost the same as this and got beaten with a iron rod.....So get ready...lol

I give you a f/s but your going to need a ak47 before you get done with this one..


[edit on 10-5-2010 by Loken68]


Definitely will heed your warning. thanks a bunch.


/raisesflameshield


[edit on 10-5-2010 by ventian]



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 02:57 AM
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why cant the rest of the world see that its annoying trying to have ends meets but you still have to pay for homeboys rims and moms crack with taxes.



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 03:34 AM
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I have similar views on this matter. If someone wants a welfare, some conditions should be met first:

- prevent them from procreating, until they are able to take care of themselves
- their children have to attend school
- doing some simple jobs, like wiping the streets, just to retain work habits

I also believe that people in prison should not be allowed to procreate, and serious criminal offenders should be even sterilised for life.



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 03:37 AM
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Originally posted by alaskan_pwner
why cant the rest of the world see that its annoying trying to have ends meets but you still have to pay for homeboys rims and moms crack with taxes.


Oh they see it clear enough, but those are votes that they don't want to lose.
The biggest single vote getter in the last presidential election was the promise of a stimulus package.

If the current administration get's the immigration reform that he wants you can forget it. We will be adding probably 5 million more individuals to the welfare system.



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 04:44 AM
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Jeez are you guys in America or China ? I'm confused . Sending them to the gas chamber sounds more dignified I guess . Not that the peasant filth deserve it huh. There are genuine people down on their luck out there you know ? You can't stereo type everyone . I know alot of good hardworking families that lost everything through no fault of their own . You guys in your ivory towers can do everything right , but it would only take your employers to mess up and you are in the same boat and would be the first to put your hands out and screaming blue murder if you had no saftey net .Yes there are some out there milking the system .Goverment has to look after the drug addicts you mention since the Goverment is the largest dealers in the world .I don't want to get in to a pissing contest with any of you , just saying anyone can end up on the unemployment line in the blink of a eye including You . So think it through .



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 04:56 AM
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Ivory towers? Heh. I barely make a living wage and yet I go by the rules laid out in the OP myself. I won't have kids until I make a better living. I do get drug tested in order to keep my little job that lets me continually pay for the people who don't deserve the benefits of the system. What is unfair exactly about what I stated?

So on to the rest of your post. I thought it through. If I end up on welfare tomorrow, I have no problem abiding by the rules that I laid out in the OP because I live by them right now (only I work as well and don't collect other peoples money). It isn't inhumane. What is inhumane is having 8 kids when you can't afford or show attention to 1. As a matter of fact it is sociopathic in nature.



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 06:16 AM
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should not be allowed to procreate


Are the disabled allowed? Or is it just the poor? I can see everyone agrees drug addicts should be snipped, but what about alcoholics? Or..smokers...it's an addicition too. Oh I agree about the criminals, especially the thousands in prison for minor drug crimes, we need to make sure we don't leave out the embezzlers either, greed seems to run in families. Don't get me started on the illegals, sterilize them quick before they can have those anchor babies! /sarcasam


Do you really want to go the path of others who have used sterilization to weed out "undesirables"?

That path may inevitably lead to YOUR door step, what will you do then?



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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Yes, I believe prisoners should not be allowed to procreate, WHILE they are in prison. Raising a child with parent in prison is not going to affect the child positively.
It could be considered a part of the punishment.

I did not say anything about the disabled, altough I believe mentally disabled people should not be allowed to procreate either.

I also think anchor babies laws are stupid, and should be abolished. Simply being born in some country should not get you citizenship.

I am not talking just about permanent sterilisation, birth control pills are an alternative, too. That said, should I sometimes need a welfare, I would have no problem taking those pills. The same applies for me being in prison, or, god forbid, going mad...



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by ventian

First step in reform is drug testing. I work, and pay taxes that they live on. I also submit to random drug tests to keep on doing the first two. They should have to submit to random screenings as well. If they fail, take away their kids and program benefits. Then tie them off where they can't breed anymore.


Here is the problem with your "idea," or rant as I see it.

So, are you going to pay for all of this drug testing? Being that people who are in a financial crisis enough to be on food stamps are not going to. Can you imagine the cost to tax payers for this drug testing?

Are you willing to have tax payers be responsible for sterilizations proceedures, given the cost?

Yes, the program needs an overhaul, but your ideas would cost us more!



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 12:24 PM
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every one talks about people on food stamps the poor are this they are that.
personly I think anyone who has kids but drinks should have there kids taken away .
and they should never be alowed to have kids again street drugs can be bad and cause the deaths of many but it doesent hold a showed to all you beer drinkers killing kids buy running them down .
but hey in the end theres alot more poor people then so great and mity .
so when the five of you come be ready to face the millions



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 12:40 PM
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Here, the first and last step. Eliminate all social welfare programs, including government.

Tell me, who in there right mind would hire any of the pieces of dog doo doo we now have in Congress? Or Obama for that matter, he cannot even hold onto his priest class BAR card.

If the socialists want to have a socialist system, make it voluntary.

Oh noes, cannot do that, because the socialists cannot survive without other people's money.

The NEW United States, where the government and the social welfare state cannot exist; without OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

I include in this socialist component the Banks and the Mega Corps that are just part of the socialist system.

What next? The right to a job? Health care?(they think they got that one LOL) Vacation?(a Country in Europe is working on that one)House? Food?(oh, that is what we are talking about on the food stamp thread)

Charity is NOT given at the end of a barrel of a gun. THAT IS THEFT!




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