I'm sick of Politics

Now I see your agenda! You are a raging Socialist who's foaming at the mouth about sane minded people. You and your communist fascist president can bight it. I'm sick of you marxists and your agenda to try and destroy America. You make a thread saying you are done, but I know you people, I'm watching you.

[edit on 5/10/10 by Misoir]

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If you leave, who am I going to u2 with , and laugh at all the Moronic replies

given with?

Stay M8.

We still can laugh at the fools together.

Laughter is the best medicine.

know how u feel mate
but quit if u want 2 and come back when u r eady
some people are very tiresome but i 4 one love reading intelligent comments and threads so dont feel bad therwes always somebody that heres your side of the story
take it eaSY i know itas hard do

as someone who has been here for almost six years, if not already six, i assure you op, your feeling normal. i gave up a looong time ago. hell, not even the folks in the paranormal and metaphysics sections can seem to agree on anything, let alone the political sections of this board. your just stressing yourself man. get money, enjoy life, and enjoy your family. you cannot, and no one on this board can do anything to change crap. bet it. sorry to sound pessimistic about it all, but crap is crap.

people been freedom fighting since they could, and hmmmm, looks like we're still repeating history, but being even more stupid about it. good stuff humanity. lol.

"We have all lost a great deal in this conflict, but we stand to lose everything if we do not stop fighting and work together!"

- Rhonin.

When will we all understand this message?

[edit on 10/5/2010 by Dark Ghost]

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Man, I know what ya mean..

Only because there is never any rational discussion as of late.. everyone hates everyone else. I've always been interested in politics.. well from middle school on up. I lost interest a few years ago when I realized it was all about control and all those people up there.. any party.. is in it for themselves.. why shouldn't I do the same?

I am an anarchist simply because the idea of being controlled when I know more about morality, peace and justice than any law promoting the like that has ever been written can teach me.

Resistance is Peace.

Hey man, just take a break for a while. It'll be good for you. But speaking frankly, when I am looking for a good political thread to comment on, I always look for the picture of that guy and his cute baby. There seem to only be a few people that take on the hate spewing, lie spreading, talking point vomit. You and the guy with the German Shepard running. (Janky, you messed me up when you changed your avatar! Took me three days to realize it)

The righty extremist on this site are far more aggressive, more stubborn, more energized, and out number us four to one. We need you.

I have been discouraged as of late, also. I know my views on this site can make a difference, how ever small, so I try to at least come on and post a reply to something to make sure my views are represented.

Your thread has inspired me to do this thread I have been toying with for a while, so look for it today. Stop by and represent! Working title: Common Ground - Making a List of Shared Views

I agree.

At first I loved this site. For things like alien life, UFO's, time travel etc.

Now it is turning into just another political site for arguing. And I admit to getting lured into some of the political posts on here, but it's turning into the other 234534569344356 political sites out there with the partisan bickering.

More UFO's and aliens, less politics please.

congrats! sounds like you are having or just had a paradigm shift.

i love my family. thats why we do not discuss politics or religion. nothing good ever comes of it. like you say, only argument. we spend time together as a family, not a wannabe think tank.

at best such discussion only brings about more questions. nothing is ever resolved from debating a false dichotomy.

at one time i thought it was exciting to share ideas about such matters. but it isn't. once you've run the gauntlet, it's done. it may be wise for each of us as individuals to figure out where we stand on certain issues, but not if those issues are moot.

as i see it (now) passionately arguing for or against one political leaning or another is a complete waste of time and energy. (and makes you look/sound like an ass.) talk radio, perfect example.

there is much more to ATS (or any fringe topic site) than debating the left/right illusion.

you wouldn't be the first to surrender to the same situation. i have left every board i've ever signed onto for similar reasons. not just politics in general, but the unending arguing that resembles a dog chasing it's own tail. i must admit though, ATS is the only one for which i returned.

sometimes it is best to walk away from a discussion board for a couple of weeks... or months. sometimes it is best to just read. sometimes i type up a long winded reply only to not post it. but in doing so i'm able to articulate and organize my thoughts on the subject. it doesn't have to be shared. as many active members as there are here, chances are whatever you have to say already has or will be said.

sounds like you're still on the fence as to stay or go. either way, good luck and god-speed in all your endeavors.

Originally posted by Darkrunner
I agree.

At first I loved this site. For things like alien life, UFO's, time travel etc.

Now it is turning into just another political site for arguing. And I admit to getting lured into some of the political posts on here, but it's turning into the other 234534569344356 political sites out there with the partisan bickering.

More UFO's and aliens, less politics please.

I too came to ATS for alien life, UFOs, etc. etc. NOT at all for politics! This site has become way too political for me and Im sure many others! If you want politics go to CNN, MSNBC, or even FOXNews for that matter. I appeal to the MODS to please review the meaning and purpose of this site. I feel as if we are getting away from what most of us are on here for. Less politics PLEASE

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I agree with you on what you have said, but you do know that ATS is not strictly a political debate forum. Unfortunately, it does seem that ATS has become a political forum as of late. Most of the threads that get on the front page are political related.

Check out some of the other forums on ATS; forums that were big before political madness took over such as Paranormal Studies, Ancient & Lost Civilizations, Mythical Beasts, Aliens & UFOs etc...

[edit on 10-5-2010 by Clisen33]

Amen brother. Taking a break from it all is not only encouraged,but required if you ask me. All the knowledge can drive you crazy,especially if you do not have someone in your life that you can talk to and understands what you do. So please,take a break from it,enjoy your family,your kid and most of all,NATURE!Nature is a good cure for anything. Just lay out in a park with your kid or girlfriend/wife and stare up at the big blue sky for an hour. Trust me it really helps!

David, I have been there, and I have left ATS because of it. I've taken long breaks from politics and the news. I think it's healthy. After several cycles of getting TOO involved and then backing completely off, I have found a happy medium. I can see myself at this level of participation for a long time. I actually post very little compared to what I used to post.

I used to feel compelled to post on EVERY thread attacking something Obama did or said or didn't do. Now, I just read the titles, roll my eyes and move on. The thread will survive without me and I don't get washed away by the ignorance in some of them.

ATS is like a gold mine. There are a lot of worthless rocks and dirt, but there are those veins of pure gold. They are hard to find and rare, but when they come along, they are worth wading through all the crap to get to them.

I HOPE you don't leave permanently. You are a valued member here. You THINK instead of just react. And I would miss you greatly of you were gone. Take a break. Spend more time with your baby. But when you gather your strength and find your center, come back and look for the gold.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
ATS is like a gold mine. There are a lot of worthless rocks and dirt, but there are those veins of pure gold.

Yep too true, for op, just focus on what you want, ignore the news its pretty easy after you give it a go.

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“Just look at us. Everything is backwards. Everything is upside-down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information, and religion destroys spirituality.” - Michael Elner

I understand your fatigue. The world has been in hell under the legal, insurance, political and financial societies which are failing. These systems have been able to endure by feeding off it's victims fear. It is with great hope that I look to a future for the world outside of these chains. Closer to a Truth that the Constitution attempted to convey. We are Natural Human Beings of the Earth. Endowed to pursue happiness outside of societies and limitations. If we could just drop the fear regarding the collapse of the old societies and look to our True Nature we would see that life will be better. There is no fight. Forgive, transmute and evolve.

This is a little something I sent out to friends and family back in Sept 2008:
We are all changing. We, our system, everything we know is going to change. The money we have chosen to enshrine as the center of our civilization's value system is failing and will end. Our culture relies upon a set of unconscious agreements that constitutes meaning. This too is failing. Nietzsche professed that there will be a "seeker after knowledge," the "opposite-man," which is in direct opposition to everything known. The instance of Truth, my enlightenment, is "a violation, a desire to hurt the basic will of the spirit which unceasingly strives for the apparent and superficial." Carl Jung wrote that "We are living in what the Greeks called kairos - the right moment - for a "metamorphis of the god," of fundamental principles and symbols. This peculiarity of our time, which is certainly not of our conscious choosing, is the expression of the unconscious man within us who is changing." In other words we have no choice but to evolve. Think of how absurd it would have been for the pre-bird to fight taking flight. Can you honestly imagine having wings and making the decision not to fly? We can fight our shift and make it very uncomfortable but the change will happen anyway; with or without our moral or conscious approval. Do not be afraid. There is no more reason to fear our evolution than there is to fear the rising sun. It will be blessed and better. Evolution from a creative, spiritual place is always better than before.
Namaste,

And what I hate is logging in and having to scroll through the political # to find the good stuff.

You have to scroll through all the political bickering threads to find the good ones.

At least put the partisan political arguing threads on the bottom of the page...

one of the worst things in life is to be able to properly identify a problem and its possible solution but not be able to do anything about it.


sites like ATS, which naturally are invaluable in many ways, are also ironically a source of never ending agitation since most of us here are solution oriented, which is why we post....and yet most of us lack any real power in the practical sense, to actually affect change in the most meaningful ways.

i can never fault anyone who decides to leave this behind....its a heavy burden....this....concern for things...this seeking after knowledge and understanding, this desire to problem solve.

solomon said it right in the bible book of ecclesiastes...

"For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow" ecclesiastes 1:18

Definition of politics: Poly- MANY, Tics- BLOODSUCKERS....Many Bloodsuckers

I feel ya too man and I personally renounced politics some time ago. It is sad that 2 of the most influential forces in our lives (religion & politics) cannot seem to be discussed without strife. And if we choose to ignore them, well they will find you by way of someone close(friend, coworker, peer, family member) and one get's sucked into the debate either by desiring clarification or by defending themselves. Maybe it is because there are 2 sides to every story(at least) and even with plain ole facts, it seems hard to get people to agree. I have often visualized people in opposition coming together, objectionably examining the evidence(together) and come to a consensus(together). But that seems to be a pipe dream, as my Step Father says. During the Holidays, because of the political/religious differences in our family, more often than not a simple discussion turns into an festival of accusation and belittling. The discussions always escalated because of emotion, both innate and of course conditioned. I wish people could get together and civilly discuss facts and try and get to the bottom of things, but I haven't seen too much of that. Oh the futility......
Isn't their a difference between "debate" and "discuss?" Doesn't one mean someone will win, whereas the other means let's find out what is involved, together and share in the discovery, together?

It would probably do some good to take a break for a while. Keep your head up though, and may your forbearance be strong!!

[edit on 10-5-2010 by speculativeoptimist]

A recnt poster on ATS brought this piece from Harry Browne to my attention:

The world-changers are powerless. They dream of remaking the world; but they can't, and so they've placed their emphasis where they have no power at all.

Free men recognize that they can't change the world. and so they concentrate on the power they do have -- which is enormous. They realize that they can choose not to be involved in situations that don't suit them.

So they look for situations that do suit them. And they discover far more opportunities for such situations than most people imagine exist.

A free person doesn't try to remake the world or his friends or his family. He merely appraises every situation by the simple standard: Is this what I want for myself? If it isn't, he looks elsewhere. If it is, he relaxes and enjoys it -- without the problems most other people take for granted.

A free man uses his tremendous power of choice to make a comfortable life for himself.

The power of choice. You have it. But you forfeit it when you imagine that you can choose for others. You can't.

But you can choose for yourself -- from hundreds of exciting, happiness-producing alternatives.

Why not use that power?

I think there is a difference between being political and being involved in current events. For some of us politics is not about idealogical absolutes - instead it's about identifying a direction you would like to see the country go in and using your vote in a very cold and calculating way (partisan) to get the most mileage and strategic advantage towards you goals. It's ugly and slow.

It is kind of disgusting but that's what I do...all the while supporting campaign finance reform, election reform and demanding the inclusion of more third parties in the elections and the debate. I have never missed voting in a national election since 1972 and it's a shame so many people give up and stop participating in the political process.

Don't give up David, just take a break and try to distance yourself from it. To be politically efficacious you really have to be in it for the long haul.