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Originally posted by MAC269
Thanks at least you have been reading my posts.
By all accounts they new what a flying disc meant, especially after the Kenneth Arnold thing a few week before. These guys where professionals in their field not some country bumpkin.
Just answer this one why would anybody pick up balsawood and tin foil i.e., Hershey bar wrappers from the desert floor. Except to stop the animals eating it.
they came upon a large area of bright wreckage made up of rubber strips, tinfoil, a rather tough paper and sticks.
At the time Brazel was in a hurry to get his round made and he did not pay much attention to it.
The next day he first heard about the flying disks, and he wondered if what he had found might be the remnants of one of these.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
And if you believe the Ramey memo has the word "DISC" in it (I'm not sure but it looks possible), then doesn't that also show us that he knew it wasn't a disc because he put the word "DISC" in quotes with the quotes signifying that's what people called it but they knew that's not what it really was? Why else would they put that word in quotes? So maybe the quotes used on the word "DISC" in the Ramey memo proves your point, that Ramey actually knew it wasn't really a disc, even though people were calling it a "disc"? (The word disk being offered by Brazel thanks to Kenneth Arnold and the flurry of other flying disk reports in the previous few weeks which you also seem to be discounting the influence of in your analysis).
Originally posted by debrisfield
(Incidentally, since you want to quote 1947 newspapers, Major Marcel was quoted back then saying the debris was "scattered over a square mile". Does the weather balloon + radar target in the photos look like it be collected over a "square mile"?)
I was busy calibrating instrumentation for top-secret Project Mogul in the spring of 1947. In retrospect, I was totally unaware of the project’s actual identity. My security clearance was for the lower rating of confidential. I was unaware of the project title for another forty-eight years, until 1995.
I write from a thirty-five-year professional career as a Skyhook balloon specialist and direct experience with most of the programs in these revelations.
Skyhook balloons were huge. The average size of those discussed in this article was double the six million cubic feet of the Hindenberg. Their diameters were about 300 feet with a flaccid length of 430 feet.
The prime launch site for Project Mogul was Alamogordo Air Base in New Mexico, west and therefore upwind of Roswell.
I agree but I can't say the memo makes perfect sense with the interpretation we've been given.
Also you can't just consider the words in isolation.
I'm not sure it says "victims", the first letter looks like a V, and the 2nd and 5th letters look like an I but it might say "viewing" for all I know, the other letters are unclear.
The Ramey memo also clearly mentions "THE VICTIMS" in the sentence before being "FORWARDED" to someone at "Fort Worth", and I don't believe Mogul balloons had crews that could be "victims".
It is also interesting that Ramey went out of his way (in news stories) to mention that the object could NOT have carried a crew (why bother to even mention it if only to discount the idea?) and was also claiming it would have been 25 feet across if reconstructed. The Pentagon issued similar statements about size and lack of crew, and also specifically denied the same day that the flying saucers could be spacecraft. Again, why were they even bothering to bring up the topics, unless the purpose was to debunk the ideas?
Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
I finally found that Popular Mechanics article regarding Roswell.
It was in the July 1997 edition,
”PM suspects the craft that crashed at Roswell will eventually be identified as either a U.S. attempt to re-engineer a second-generation Fugo, or a hybrid craft which uses both Fugo lifting technology and a Horten-inspired lifting body. In either case, Japanese engineers and pilots brought to the U.S. after the war to work on the project could have been the dead "alien" bodies recovered at the crash site.
You're welcome, and thanks to you because I never would have found it without your 1997 Popular Mechanics reference.
Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
Thanks mate…..that’s the one
I found the mooted Japanese origin of the “craft” quite interesting……
As our investigation neared its close, PM was alerted to a forthcoming release of documents that may fill in these two missing pieces of the Roswell puzzle. They may also explain two other curiosities: the presence of the crisscrossed radar-deflecting pattern on the bottom of the Roswell craft, and–to the consternation of those who seek an unearthly explanation for Roswell–the origin of the "dead aliens" who have so often been described as having Oriental features.
Originally posted by gariac
I know I've answered this at least once. Jim Wilson went down Mailbox Road and failed to make a right onto Groom Lake Road. Thus he ended up at the range 61 gate. There is a gate there because Nellis bombs it, not to mention AC103 target practice. You can't see the front gate of Area 51 unless you carefully climb Hawkeye Hill. That should have clued Wilson in that he took the wrong road.
Despite the disappointing document disclosure by the National Archives and the discovery that Kaufmann had altered his military records, Friedman says it is premature to close the books on Roswell. He believes convincing evidence of an alien landing exists but that it has yet to be disclosed. And he says he knows exactly where to find it--in vaults at the National Reconnaissance Office and the Central Intelligence Agency.