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HR 2454 Will Destroy the Middle Class of the U.S.A!

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posted on May, 9 2010 @ 11:56 AM
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Hello, this was sent to me in an email and I felt it was important. Unbelievable bill has hidden agendas' starting with the highest tax in US history being imposed on homeowners. I am not sure if this is the proper place to put this article but here it is.

A License Required for your HOUSE?



If you own your home you really need to check this out. At the end of this you’ll links to verify. If the country thinks the housing market is depressed now, wait until everyone sees this. No one will be buying homes in the future.



We encourage you to read the provisions of the Cap and Trade Bill that has passed the House of Representatives and are being considered by the Senate. We are ready to join the next march on Washington! This Congress and their "experts" are truly out to destroy the middle class of the U.S.A.



A License will be required for your house...no longer just for cars and mobile homes....Thinking about selling your house? Take a look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and Trade bill). This is unbelievable! Home owners take note and tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!



Beginning one year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this "Cap & Trade" bill, passed by the House of Representatives. If it is also passed by the Senate, it will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced.



The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. No one is excluded. However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure that these voters will get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. And Mrs. Middle Class have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else.



But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it. Probably the worst one is this: A year from now you won't be able to sell your house without some bureaucrat's OK. Yes, you read that right.



The caveat (there always is a caveat) is that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included. In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator.



To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be required to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act, to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements.



Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner. If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell.



And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act. The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he/she alone determines to be in the government's best interest. Requirements are set low initially so the bill will pass Congress. Then the Administrator can set new standards every year.



The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings. However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time. Sect. 202 - Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America.



Beginning one year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with its energy and water efficiency standards. You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (expen$ive) to meet in a few years. Oh, goody!



The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements IF you meet certain energy efficiency levels. But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants. You should expect requirements such as "can't have an income of more than $50K per year", "home selling price can't be more than $125K", or anything else to target the upper middle class (that includes YOU?) and prevent you from qualifying for the grants.



Most of us won't get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets. More transfer of wealth, more "change you can believe in." Sect. 204 - Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for "at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act."



This means that within 5 years 90% of all residential homes in the U.S. must be measured and labeled. The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program. The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help the EPA. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year...



Oh, the label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year.



But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time. Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California? It would only cost $15. That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate.



Expect the same from the home labeling program. Sect. 304 - Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d) that one year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.



CHECK OUT a few of the sites;



Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home www.nachi.... org/forum/ f14/cap-and- trade-license- required- your-home- 44750/

HR2454 American Clean Energy & Security Act: www.govtrack.us...

Cap & Trade A license required for your home: www.prisonplanet.com...

Cap and trade is a license to cheat and steal: www.sfexamin... er.com/opinion/ columns/oped_ contributors/ Cap-and-trade- is-a-license- to-cheat- and-steal- 45371937. html
Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home: www.freerepublic.com...

Thinking about selling you House? Look at HR 2454:

www.federalobserver.com...




posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:05 PM
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Thanks for posting this. Even more proof that Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and their liberal hench persons in congress are either unbelievably stupid or that they really are trying to destroy the economy.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:13 PM
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as the above member stated thanks for taking the time and posting this article

my personal opinion on the matter is that if you cannot see the destruction that will ensue from this legislation then you might as well go back to sleep. this bill unlike the health care debacle has not one benefit in it for a single U.S citizen, thus the reason it is sitting and waiting for another Michael Jackson scenario to be played out and unfold just to be slammed in on a back door deal!





posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:35 PM
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This, as 99.99999999999% of conservative fear-mongering chain emails is FALSE. Please move to hoax. For anyone interested in reality-based information:

National Realtors Association




Claim: “The bill mandates energy audits and labeling before any home in America is sold.”

Fact: The bill does not create a federal energy audit or labeling requirement.

As approved, the bill:

• Does not create energy audit requirement for real property at time of sale.

• Exempts existing homes, multifamily and commercial buildings from any federal energy labeling guidelines such as the existing federal Energy Star label program (section 204(m)), and

• Leaves the decision entirely to state governments whether to pass a law to require labels, but expressly prohibits labeling during a transaction (Section 204(h)).






Claim: The bill contains a new federal policy that requires residential and commercial buildings to be retrofitted to federal "green" standards prior to time of sale.

Fact: Section 202 (building retrofit program) does not contain point-of-sale retrofit requirements. The bill does:

• Provide states with the funding for financial incentives to property owners who voluntarily decide to make energy efficiency improvements.

• Provide that financial incentives may include grants, loans, loan guarantees, and/or mortgage interest rate buy-downs.

• Establish a sliding scale for incentives -- i.e., if a home owner makes improvements that result in a 10% reduction in energy consumption, the owner would be eligible for an award of $1,000; a 20% reduction would be eligible for a $2,000 award, etc. up to a maximum award of 50% of the retrofit cost for each building.

• Require state voluntary retrofit incentives programs that use federal funding for incentives to meet federal guidelines for certifying private contractor training, equipment and practices for energy audit/retrofit services eligible for federal funding.


www.snopes.com...

Best,
SN

P.S. You're welcome for a Sunday a little less full of irrational fear.

[edit on 5/9/2010 by skunknuts]



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:37 PM
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Don't buy a home, just rent. Let the original owner get stuck for the cost of repair. If you have a house you can't sell because it needs repair, try to get a new mortgage, then you can extract the equity out without a formal sale. Just some thoughts.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:47 PM
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skunk if you like communism or fascism, or even communism this is just one more step in that direction. so yes if you love big government this is fear mongering for you, but if you like things the way they used to be and think that you have a brain in your head and you can figure life-decisions on your own, this is a huge step into a totalitarian government. black is black and white is white, please dont make a grey area out of this legislation, thanks



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by allprowolfy
reply to post by skunknuts
 


skunk if you like communism or fascism, or even communism this is just one more step in that direction. so yes if you love big government this is fear mongering for you, but if you like things the way they used to be and think that you have a brain in your head and you can figure life-decisions on your own, this is a huge step into a totalitarian government. black is black and white is white, please dont make a grey area out of this legislation, thanks


IT IS FALSE!! You speak of totalitarianism, yet approve of this patently false PROPAGANDA??!! You are making no sense.





www.realtor.org... 7004eadb900a294fab684cb314f

On June 26, the House of Representative approved H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act. Since then, there have been many reports about the bill and NAR's position that are based on incomplete information.

Here are the facts: As passed, the bill:

• Does not create a federal energy audit requirement for real property;

• Exempts existing homes and buildings from any federal guidelines for new construction energy labeling.

• Leaves the decision to state government whether to pass a law and label, but specifically prohibits any labeling during a sales transaction.

• Prohibits the Environmental Protection Agency from regulating carbon emissions from residential and commercial buildings under the Clean Air Act; • No longer includes provisions to bolster a private right of action under the Clean Air Act that would have allowed citizens to halt construction over minor risks – whether real or imagined;

• Offers property owners with matching grants and diagnostic tools to make property improvements that saves energy; and

• Provides green building financial incentives for HUD housing, including a loans, block grants and credit in underwriting for energy improvements.


Best,
SN

[edit on 5/9/2010 by skunknuts]



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:52 PM
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DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLES BEFORE MAKING A THREAD OF THEM ANY MORE???

DO POSTERS EVEN BOTHER READING ANYMORE BEFORE REPLYING???

The OP and the repliers buying into this look like UNEDUCATED, GULLIBLE, FOOLS who REFUSE to read anything before typing. Try READING it and see how FOOLISH you all look.

UNBELIEVABLE!

THIS IS TYPICAL RIGHT-WING FEAR-TACTICS. IT NEVER CEASES!!




[edit on 9-5-2010 by Captain_Sense]



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:54 PM
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reply to post by skunknuts
 


skunk do you read much? google totalitarianism, hmm? one small baby step at a time! plz look up my information that i posted to you, before you post an ignorant statement!

again thanks op



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by allprowolfy
reply to post by skunknuts
 


skunk do you read much? google totalitarianism, hmm? one small baby step at a time! plz look up my information that i posted to you, before you post an ignorant statement!

again thanks op


I hope you are getting paid to disperse and support this propaganda. Ironic how you are the one supporting a move towards fascism.

Best,
SN


[edit on 5/9/2010 by skunknuts]



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:57 PM
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reply to post by Captain_Sense
 


captain not trying to get into a pissy match with you, but what is gullible here? you letting and allowing just one more step of government regulation in your life? or are you like skunk and love big government, thus i am wasting my time?



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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I'm the one who used the word totalitarianism. You have shown that you are not well-educated on the differences between political and economic systems, as well as saying that you only think in black and white. You are the perfect candidate for a supporter of a fascist party. Palin 2012??!!

Best,
SN



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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reply to post by skunknuts
 


fascism? no other comment needed i see
ignorance is bliss



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by allprowolfy
reply to post by skunknuts
 


fascism? no other comment needed i see
ignorance is bliss


Um, Ok. So you disagree w/ Ron Paul's comments on the real enemy being corporatism aka fascism??

Best,
SN



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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Reading into the Bill itself will dismiss the thread in its entirety, including its COMPLETELY MISLEADING title, along with the NONSENSE replies that followed, and will reveal this to be ANOTHER of the NEVER-ENDING right-winger attempts to scare folks by providing FALSE information and silly rumors because it knows how stupid folks are as all but the WEALTHY that support them do so out of total ignorance. They know the game, and if you knew personally some of them you would know too.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 01:10 PM
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reply to post by Melissa101
 


Hey OP,

Since this is in your profile, will you admit that you were mislead by the chain email you reposted:



Stuff I Don't Like:

People who are ignorant and choose to stay that way.


Best,
SN



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 01:42 PM
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This Cap and Trade, brought forth by the obmanation, will exsanguinate the middle class. This has always been their plan. Next election, Vote ALL Incumbents Out!
S&F

[edit on 9-5-2010 by Violater1]



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 01:56 PM
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Move to hoax bin please!



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 01:57 PM
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reply to post by skunknuts
 



Since our own representatives have not even read it, where do you get your information?

Please provide the original language of the Bill and your source as well.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 02:55 PM
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While I agree with the sentiment of moving this into the hoax forum I know the Melissa101 wouldn't be the kind of person to post in order with the intent of misleading or propagandizing.
There are some people here with very good intent but who unknowingly post things such as this.
Sorry Melissa, your description of the bill is innacurate and it is not even up for review by the senate. I believe it's stalled in committee. Still, the homeowner provisions are not there to worry about.
Your efforts are still appreciated though




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