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The Greek spirit of resistance turns its guns on the IMF

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posted on May, 11 2010 @ 03:49 AM
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Originally posted by DaBossMan
reply to post by DimensionalDetective
 


LOL, no what we are watching is more of a parable. The parable is about the consequences of laziness and greed by a people and about how one day you negative choices produce negative consequences.

My prediction. The Greeks throw a tantrum for a few more months until the realization hits home that food and resources don't fall from heaven, and the settle in for several bad economic years.

This is a parable that all the wannabe Socialists in the US and the rest of the world should learn from.


Go live in greece , then we talk.




posted on May, 11 2010 @ 05:10 AM
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reply to post by Dynamitrios
 


OK, I love Greece, my son is half Greek.

But Greece has her nose buried up her bum.

Sorry to say, but Greece still thinks Greece is the centre of the world.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 05:11 AM
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I CANT believe some people actually claim that the affected countries deserve the trouble for being "lazy". In ROMANIA , an university graduate is working about 60 hours a week in order to earn about 400$ after a MONTH of work! (for the private sector and far less for if you work for the "state" ). Most of the overtime is NOT payed , yet the country is not doing well. The government needs to increase the retirement age (it is now close to the average life expectancy of the country!) , cut wages and increase taxes. Wherever IMF comes, I tell you there is slavery and desperation for the people. Yet IMF makes the money from thin air. People in Eastern Europe are not lazy , simply we are already enslaved . So do not wonder if people will go in the street NOR call them socialists. Capitalism is exploitation . Externalization of costs by finding the people to pay with their time, future , happiness and health for the benefits of the few.

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posted on May, 11 2010 @ 05:49 AM
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I absolutely love watching you IMF ball lickers talk.


I would never want to live under communism, i like making money and spending it where i want.

But you IMF Lovers are just as bad as Stalinist.

Hey you all want to know why Commies are such a threat to organisations like the IMF and their supporters?

Because once the commies take over the first thing they do is round up the people, feel the bottom of their palms, check for callouses and who ever does not have them get shot dead!

Aside from that There is no difference between Communism and the God Damn IMF enforces servitude I live in Now!

Trust me you guys don't want to know how long I had to wait for a roll of toilet paper in Albertsons today because they had one poor woman working her arse off like a slave while the USA is going to bail out the EU with MY God Damn MONEY!!


[edit on 11-5-2010 by Izarith]



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:02 AM
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reply to post by TheCoffinman
 

Here in the UK Votes are not turned in to seats and they are forcing out the small guys which goes against any democracy

I have an evil plan

Crash the worlds markets and introduce the amro and tell the sheep we didn't have time to produce any coins so it will all be electronic and everyone gets an amro card.

With cash out the way Gov can then see how every penney is spent and with your new amro credit card comes the usual bank charges but also your carbon foot print tax.

Gets better.

Only certain buishness are licenced to receive amro points so step out of line and thats you done and all this without having to RFID everyone.

Gone are the days when the lad working down the road willl fix you car for a bit of cash and that means more tax for big bro and since the futuer taxable income protential of citizens is used as collateral down at the IMF then they can lend even more computer digits out.

Pure evil i know and thats why it has a chance of being true.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by LieBuster
I have an evil plan

Crash the worlds markets and introduce the amro and tell the sheep we didn't have time to produce any coins so it will all be electronic and everyone gets an amro card.


I can see this being used in Greece. With them being famous for tax evasion, I can't see it not happening.



posted on May, 11 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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m sorry dude, you seem to have drank the kool aid too.

So PASOK is all wrong and ND is "da hope"

I give you that, PASOK is nurturing the left wing guys, but so does ND with thr right wingers.

No we dont need a military "dictatorship", we had that in the 70s and the people didnt want that, you cant force something like that onto the people.

What we need is to get rid of our "two party system" (it is one, no other party was in charge) and prolly listen to the ecos which have nice and peacefull ideas about Greece and its environment. Thats where ALL our wealth lies, in our ecosystem, not in our economy.
We already ARE rich, because of our incredible nature AND the ressources we havent yet burried up (and hopefully never will).

Greece could be the garden of Eden environmentally speaking.


Get rid of the same paradigm which we had over and over, heck even the names of the players stay the same, its almost like in a frigging monarchy.
Be it Papandreou, or Karamanlis, these families have to go, theyre all puppets anyway who dont care aboutthe country, but only do what their Bilderberg an CFR masters are saying



posted on May, 13 2010 @ 11:45 PM
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I never said ND is the hope. They are as bad as PASOK, if not worse, and are just as much to blame. A lot of the current debt is a result of Karamanlis and his policies.

And while ND may nurture some right wing nutters, they pale in comparison to the left wing who is currently paralyzing the country with their non stop rioting and strikes.

PASOK must bite the bullet and do the rioters in before it's too late. Some may say it's already too late. But for me, it's never too late.

I'm sure if the government requested emergency supply of water cannons and other necessary equipment to contain the rioters, other governments would promptly supply them.

Give our police what they need to do their job.

The only reason they cant, is because of the same left wing nutters rioting who are supported by sections of the media, who have over the decades created this psychological belief that the police forces must be restrained.

What they don't realise is, is that their struggle is over, it ended with the fall of the junta. The country should have moved on and heeled properly, but because the left wanted absolute control and thing's to be their way and only their way, we have stupid laws which prevent police from going into universities to apprehend rioters and criminals, as one example.

The country has been set up from the start of the end of the junta to fail. And that is what is happening. This is a result of the left wing and their bull# policies, the same bastards who went and legalised hundreds of thousands of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.


What the hell is the army doing? They need to send the troops into the streets and put the riots down for good, they need to take control of the country because these corrupt sons of bitches calling them selves politicians and masquerading as Greeks are on the verge of destroying the country for good.

There's no ifs or buts about it anymore. This is it.
We either clean our house up now, or lose what defines us as a people and as a nation. Because once the IMF and EU have their way, do you think they are going to give a # about Hellenism, or our Hellenic culture and traditions?

Turn your tv on, by a a cd of "Greek pop" music. This war against us didn't start yesterday with the crisis, it's been waged on us for decades, hidden, but now it's practically out in the open.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 01:38 AM
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Regarding "greeks are lazy", check the excel data for work hours per year:
tinypic.com...

There are many myths about Greece, and this is but just one of them. Greece's problem is it's puppet leadership.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 02:26 AM
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Originally posted by DaBossMan
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Originally posted by DaBossMan
You are right that all of the countries listed will fall if they do not change their ways. However, it will be the fault of a populace who keeps electing politicians who tell them what they want to hear as opposed to telling them the truth.


Do you really think voters anywhere are getting a choice at the polls? Choosing the blue muppet over the red one is totally inconsequential to the hidden hand behind the scenes.


Originally posted by DaBossMan
Truth is we need to phase out Social Security and Medicare. We need to scrap healthcare, we need to scale back military spendng (and not by a measly 10billion). We need to end all entitlements, cut the size of government in half. We need to scale back wages, benefits, and pensions for the remaining government workers. Anybody who tells you different is lying to you and baiting the snare which will be used to catch and enslave you.


Your agenda sounds exactly the same as is being promoted by TPTB, and we all know their agenda only serves them. Personally I'd rather do away with them all and use the resources they squander and steal for social services. We don't need to cut back on the miltary and government, we need to do away with them.


Originally posted by DaBossMan
ALL THAT ANYONE NEEDS TO KNOW IS THAT ANY ORGANIZATION, FAMILY, BUSINESS, GOVERNMENT ETC THAT CONSISTENTLY SPENDS MORE THAN IT EARNS WILL GO BANKRUPT, EVENTUALLY!

[edit on 9-5-2010 by DaBossMan]


Well who is it that has gone broke in Greece? Is it the individuals or the high-jacked institutions and corporations that having been robbing them blind for years?

You as DaBossMan? I sincerely hope not.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 09:06 PM
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Bagatell, the funny thing is that people like "DaBossMan", have no idea about the topic they are commenting on.
Who has gone broke?
It certainly is not the people.

The government isn't even bankrupt. In other words, N O B O D Y.

Why has Greece needed a bailout package from the EU and IMF?

Because the speculating that has gone on, has driven up interest rates on new loans for Greece to unsustainable levels. Therefore, Greece will not borrow money at those rates, and has sought an alternative. The bailout is the alternative.

And don't think the EU wasn't involved in pushing Greece to this.
They did absolutely nothing to address the speculating etc, and pretty much sat back and watched.
Now that the bailout has been approved and Greece is making MORE austerity cuts, they announce new measures and initiatives, which has seen the spreads of not only Greece but Portugal and others drop considerably, among other things. Something which could have helped from the START of the crisis, like the Greek government was asking.

Remember, the current Greek government did not create this mess, it inherited it. Although the current party in power, PASOK, is well and truly to blame over the years, as is the current leaders family, the Papandreous, for the mess we are in today.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 09:42 PM
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A few well-placed articles and pretty soon everyone thinks it's the Greeks' fault. And that all Greeks are lazy and corrupt.

It doesn't take much to turn public opinion in your favour when you control the media.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by DaBossMan
reply to post by TheCoffinman
 


You are right that all of the countries listed will fall if they do not change their ways. However, it will be the fault of a populace who keeps electing politicians who tell them what they want to hear as opposed to telling them the truth.

Truth is we need to phase out Social Security and Medicare. We need to scrap healthcare, we need to scale back military spendng (and not by a measly 10billion). We need to end all entitlements, cut the size of government in half. We need to scale back wages, benefits, and pensions for the remaining government workers. Anybody who tells you different is lying to you and baiting the snare which will be used to catch and enslave you.

ALL THAT ANYONE NEEDS TO KNOW IS THAT ANY ORGANIZATION, FAMILY, BUSINESS, GOVERNMENT ETC THAT CONSISTENTLY SPENDS MORE THAN IT EARNS WILL GO BANKRUPT, EVENTUALLY!

[edit on 9-5-2010 by DaBossMan]




How about an even easier solution... Get rid of perpetual debt and end usury in its current form. Interest should fund public works. Your rant serves no purpose. Your talk of continuing a failed system is about as dead as its concept. This was a system that's sole purpose was to obtain natural resources including the blood, sweat, and tears of hard labor (present and future).



Please... Stop fooling yourself.



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by SIntegral
Regarding "greeks are lazy", check the excel data for work hours per year:
tinypic.com...

There are many myths about Greece, and this is but just one of them. Greece's problem is it's puppet leadership.




That goes for the whole World. Remember this quote for all time...



Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder. - George Washington



posted on May, 14 2010 @ 10:20 PM
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Kind of gives you a mental picture of a bunch of adults living like they are a bunch of spoiled toddlers. This is not the fault of the IMF or Big Banking.

The Greek people are behaving like a bunch of crack addicts who blame you for them robbing your house because you forgot to lock all your windows.


Perhaps the tiny percentage of Greeks who were responsible for tax fraud and the bankers can be blamed, but you can't blame most ordinary Greeks.

The EU bailouts were pushed thru' by the US & European countries who have a large number of assets in the countries with large debts. It's only about saving their own investments using the IMF & bailouts to prop up a corrupt government. They'll keep selling us the same story, until the too-big-fails finally loses their bets.

What do those ordinary Greeks have to do with that who have nothing to do with the debt problems ??? To think that people shouldn't revolt over this shows you haven't thought about it at all. The IMF are propping up the same corrupt people who caused the mess in the first place - who are crack addicts, only they're money junkies who'll never learn from their mistakes, and won't even take a haircut and expect the poor to pay for their continuing lavish lifestyles.

Perhaps if you lost everything like some of these people, you'd also blame all of those responsible for helping to create fiscal fascism. Or you could continue to believe some of the mainstream garbage that the IMF has the best interests of all the Greek people at heart - and should take whatever tax increases are necessary to ensure the bankers continue to live in their mansions with their huge bonuses.


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posted on May, 14 2010 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by Chett
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Check your list of countries ..then check what Romania is doing. Not everybody has drunk the koolaid. Romania just passed a 25% wage cut for gov. employees and a long list of other cut backs. People are not demonstrating in the streets.


Oh really, then perhaps you haven't noticed the news about hundreds of pensioners protesting a few days ago because of pension cuts, and teachers planning to strike next week.

This is just the beginning, countries won't be able to enforce their austerity measures. How are 20% unemployed in Spain going to pay taxes when they aren't working, and if they're students with no money in their pockets and with plenty of time on their hands to rebel. Increased unemployment means increased debt because of unemployment benefits. What's next?? Governments robbing the people of gold/silver at gunpoint if they aren't able to afford taxes!!

This is going to spread globally to Spain, Portugal, already in Greece, Romania, also protests in Ireland. Ukraine, UK, Italy will be affected, especially in the UK the economy is now in a death-spiral with creditors & speculators betting against sterling because they know our debts will never be paid off. The US will never pay their debts off either, and since nobody will buy China's cheap crap anymore, they'll also collapse as well.

www.irishtimes.com...


ROMANIANS RALLIED yesterday against government plans for swingeing budget cuts, as union bosses warned of huge “Greek-style” strikes and protests against the austerity measures.


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posted on May, 15 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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Bomb Explodes in Greek Courthouse

A bomb has exploded at a courthouse in Thessaloniki, hours after an earlier blast at a prison near the Greek capital Athens.
One person was reported to have been injured in the blast, which came after a warning call.


Bomb Explodes



[edit on 15-5-2010 by Americanist]



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