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The Greek spirit of resistance turns its guns on the IMF

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posted on May, 9 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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The Greek spirit of resistance turns its guns on the IMF


www.guardian.co.uk

But for those on the left, leading the protests with flags emblazoned with the hammer and sickle, the intervention of the IMF has been the tipping point. The majority of Greeks not only see it as the harbinger of harsh economic reforms but the symbol of foreign occupation. For the abundance of conspiracy theorists on both the left and right, its involvement is part of a grander, but seemingly no less implausible, plan to subjugate Greece after draining the country of its resources.

(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on May, 9 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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Heh-heh...Looks like a great big can of worms is about to be opened folks...The whole planet needs to pay attention to the greeks right now---They are serving as an example of how to resist TPTB dictatorial and debt-slavery manipulations handed down by the 'ruling class', who continually perpetuate class warfare against the masses of this planet.

IMF, Central Banks....All need to be exposed for the trouble-makers they are.

www.guardian.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 11:50 AM
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reply to post by DimensionalDetective
 


LOL, no what we are watching is more of a parable. The parable is about the consequences of laziness and greed by a people and about how one day you negative choices produce negative consequences.

My prediction. The Greeks throw a tantrum for a few more months until the realization hits home that food and resources don't fall from heaven, and the settle in for several bad economic years.

This is a parable that all the wannabe Socialists in the US and the rest of the world should learn from.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 11:57 AM
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Deep inside the august halls of Athens University, the renowned political commentator Paschos Mandravelis will deliver a message this week that until very recently was lost on most Greeks.

His speech will focus on a single fact: that the country in the centre of the storm of Europe's worst crisis since the creation of the common market, missed the biggest story ever – its own looming bankruptcy. "Everyone," he says, "starting with the Greek media, was in an incredible state of denial."


Above taken from your source

Even the article that you quoted places the blame squarely on the Greek people. It says they lived in a state of denial.

Text below taen from your souce as well.



More than any other European nation, the Greeks think nothing of taking to the streets in noisy outbursts of protests. But more than that, in a culture of cutting corners, they also have a problem with being told what to do. It is an attitude that could have profound consequences for Papandreou's ability to enforce policies that include painful wage and pension cuts – and the course of the crisis.


Kind of gives you a mental picture of a bunch of adults living like they are a bunch of spoiled toddlers. This is not the fault of the IMF or Big Banking.

The Greek people are behaving like a bunch of crack addicts who blame you for them robbing your house because you forgot to lock all your windows.


[edit on 9-5-2010 by DaBossMan]



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 11:58 AM
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www.infowars.com...

Here is an excellent article on how the IMF operates.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:00 PM
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ur avy name says it all.. i know what side ur on. this isnt a greek problem.. its happening all over europe.. romania, portugal, spain, bulgaria, latvia, iceland.. its only a matter of time before Italy and the UK fall and then the US... ONLY A MATTER OF TIME... at least the greeks have the balls to fight, when they passed the bailouts here in the us, did we do anything, yes we did we said, "oh please mr boss man save us!"



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:09 PM
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You are right that all of the countries listed will fall if they do not change their ways. However, it will be the fault of a populace who keeps electing politicians who tell them what they want to hear as opposed to telling them the truth.

Truth is we need to phase out Social Security and Medicare. We need to scrap healthcare, we need to scale back military spendng (and not by a measly 10billion). We need to end all entitlements, cut the size of government in half. We need to scale back wages, benefits, and pensions for the remaining government workers. Anybody who tells you different is lying to you and baiting the snare which will be used to catch and enslave you.

ALL THAT ANYONE NEEDS TO KNOW IS THAT ANY ORGANIZATION, FAMILY, BUSINESS, GOVERNMENT ETC THAT CONSISTENTLY SPENDS MORE THAN IT EARNS WILL GO BANKRUPT, EVENTUALLY!

[edit on 9-5-2010 by DaBossMan]



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by DaBossMan
reply to post by TheCoffinman
 


You are right that all of the countries listed will fall if they do not change their ways. However, it will be the fault of a populace who keeps electing politicians who tell them what they want to hear as opposed to telling them the truth.

Truth is we need to phase out Social Security and Medicare. We need to scrap healthcare, we need to scale back military spendng (and not by a measly 10billion). We need to end all entitlements, cut the size of government in half. We need to scale back wages, benefits, and pensions for the remaining government workers. Anybody who tells you different is lying to you and baiting the snare which will be used to catch and enslave you.

ALL THAT ANYONE NEEDS TO KNOW IS THAT ANY ORGANIZATION, FAMILY, BUSINESS, GOVERNMENT ETC THAT CONSISTENTLY SPENDS MORE THAN IT EARNS WILL GO BANKRUPT, EVENTUALLY!

[edit on 9-5-2010 by DaBossMan]


Loads of big talk, but little action from your side or have you already started a rebellion against your government? People ''swallow'' a lot before they gain the courage to rise up. Corruption alone is for the vast majority of a country's citizens insufficient to revolt and unless you revolt against your government, you too, belong to this majority.

[edit on 9-5-2010 by Mdv2]



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:26 PM
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Part of what you say is true, it all stems from greed and sensless spending, but not on behalf of the people but the government.

The people her are pissed about the fact, that some privat organisation dictates greek policy (IMF), and obviously lends money with a high interrrest rate and profits double from the Greek crisis it created itself via big BAnks.

Get your facts straight



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:29 PM
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Before we all get on the band wagon, we must remember. Just because we are at the top of the over abuse of Social democracy (modern day government run capitalism, capital run government. whatever), does not mean we should trade that for the other extrema of communism. Let history remind us. Neither work. Greece serves no example other than the fact that the people orchestrating this can just trade their blue and star flag for a communist one and just switch sides. If you consider this an example of what to do, you are essentially just repeating history.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:31 PM
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Check your list of countries ..then check what Romania is doing. Not everybody has drunk the koolaid. Romania just passed a 25% wage cut for gov. employees and a long list of other cut backs. People are not demonstrating in the streets.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:36 PM
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Maybe,... but demonstrating is ppart of greek culture and deeply rooted.
And not just because they like demonstrating but have a strong sense of when governments turn to dictatorships, after all we had one in the 70s.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:36 PM
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dabossman: you still think people elect politicians?

mdv2: thats for me to know and you to wonder about

chett: www.abovetopsecret.com... ...only a matter of time.



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:39 PM
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how bout an anarchist one... www.infoshop.org...



posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:52 PM
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posted on May, 9 2010 @ 12:55 PM
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I might add, why should the people pay for debts their government created?
Why they dont get benefits when the banks win, but have to pay for the debt when the banks loose?

Thats what everyone should be pissed about.

Its not a left/right thing... its an up/down thing



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 09:30 PM
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Anarchy doesn't work for a prehensile pawed species of retards. It only leads to dictatorships.



Also debt slaves do not work. if the people owe money, they cannot fund the system. If the debt is passed on, it inevitably leads to anarchy, and then a new government.

BTW, I do believe the world has, in some way shape and form, been controlled by the same people since the fall of the Roman Empire. But remember. They did not rule always. Rome did. They all want to be like their former rulers. But you know what was different? Rome did not base their system off debtors.

So take note.

Why use a system that clearly has not produced an empire that lasts as long as Rome did?

These leaders trade themselves, probably those 13 families have been enemies at least once in a while. It doesn't work. There is no reason to use it.

[edit on 10-5-2010 by Gorman91]



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 09:53 PM
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This article is propaganda.


But for those on the left, leading the protests with flags emblazoned with the hammer and sickle, the intervention of the IMF has been the tipping point.

See? If you oppose the IMF take over of your country, you're a communist.

NICE TRY, BUT PROPAGANDA AIN'T WORKING NO MORE.



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 11:24 PM
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You demonstrate with every post that you have no grasp or understanding of the situation nor it's causes. You aren't alone in this though. Most people commenting on this, are clueless sheep.

Those rioting, are radical left wingers, communists, and anarchists. All the same scum bags as previous riots.

Those protesting peacefully, are ordinary people who have NOT contributed to creating this crisis. This is the part you are clueless about.

You make comments and generalise the entire Greek population, as being lazy and corrupt. Putting aside the fact that such comments are borderline racist, let's enlighten you, who knows, might make a difference.

It is not the ordinary Greek persons fault, that this crisis has happened.
The ordinary Greek person is actually a hard working, honest person. You can look up the facts for your self, since you've taken the time to give us your "expert" analysis, I'm sure you wont mind getting off your bigoted backside and doing some research now.

The image of a lazy, corrupt Greece is put out there by the media, and circulated and spread by the media.

Sure, there exist lazy and corrupt people in Greece, just like in every other country on this planet. Being lazy and corrupt is not exclusive to Greece, it's exclusive to the human species.

But these lazy and corrupt people are not the majority. They are however, the current ruling "elites" in Greece.

The "system" that exists in Greece has been created by them, by the two-three ruling families which have dominated the two major parties since the end of the junta, 1974/75.

Who does this current corrupt system benefit? Are you under the impression that the average Greek person, ie the majority, sees any benefit from government corruption? They don't. They have to work as hard as anyone else in Europe, they face the same day to day issues of increasing prices and wages which do not keep up, etc.

Those who benefit are the ruling families, and their friends. Their friends? Well, those you see rioting. They don't want the gravy train to come to an end. But the ruling families now have no choice but to pass the austerity measures.

What's the average Greek protesting about(PROTESTING, not rioting)? The fact that they are now made to suffer because of the corruption and incompetence of a few bastards in power.

While the majority of Greece is going to feel the pain, the few elites wont notice a thing..they, despite practically committing numerous acts of treason and breaking the law in other ways, will walk away scot-free.

Those who are lazy? Somewhere between 0.5 and 0.9% of the population.
How did I come to that conclusion? Because those who are lazy are the ones whose families have connections with the ruling families, who then got them "jobs" in the public sector, where they do nothing but collect tax payers money(salary+pensions).

What Greece needs is a purge. And sadly, it's a purge of the left side of politics. Because that is exactly where the filth lies, on the left side.
The current party in power, PASOK, has been cultivating and nurturing the anarchists and radical left for decades. They used them to bring down the previous government of Karamanlis and ND. Now it's kind of backfired on them...

Many people know of many incidents were "anarchists" or such types, have been caught red handed by police, only to be saved by PASOK party members who show up with ministers etc, and force their release from custody. And that's just ONE example.

Truth be told, a military dictatorship at this stage would not be a bad thing in Greece. It would actually be a positive thing because the current military leadership knows who the culprits are, who is to blame, who their sympathizers etc are, and could easily round them up and put them on trial.
And another truth, the military at this stage is more patriotic then any politician in the country. It wouldn't be a brutal dictatorship like in the past, it would be one where the mess created would be cleaned up, those responsible would finally face justice.

Hell, the left wing is pretty much to blame for the police having their hands tied. With the police unable to do their jobs properly, of course the rioters are going to do whatever they want. If the police were allowed to act accordingly, the situation would be completely different.

Another good example of how unpatriotic and treasonous the current political establishment is in Greece is the fact that a few months ago the chief of the armed forces was replaced, unexpectedly and without a valid reason, although the reason is known to be because he continued to order the army to hold training exercises on Aegean islands. Rather then have the army trained and capable of fighting in all of Greece's terrains, the political establishment would rather continue it's policy of appeasement towards Turkey, while Turkey continues to increase tensions and grow more bolder in it's provocations.

Of course that's another benefit of military rule, Europes and the wests south eastern borders would be secured against the hordes of Middle East and south west Asia.



posted on May, 10 2010 @ 11:41 PM
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Great post. Those who say the greek people is lazy are buying the government propaganda.

Sorry but the greek are like everyone. Some are lazy but most of them are hard working, decent people who are doing the best they can. And like most if not all western governments, are run by corrupt treasonous scum raping them 9 ways to sunday.

If you don't understand that, then when the country you live in gets taken over by the IMF, people will say the same thing about you being lazy when you lose everything you've got. Then maybe you'll realize how an idiot you were.



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