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Topic started on 9-5-2010 @ 10:37 AM by ModernAcademia

New analysis of 40-year-old recording of Kent State shootings reveals that Ohio Guard was given an order to prepare to fire

blog.cleveland.com

The Ohio National Guardsmen who fired on students and antiwar protesters at Kent State University on May 4, 1970 were given an order to prepare to shoot, according to a new analysis of a 40-year-old audio tape of the event.
"Guard!" says a male voice on the recording, which two forensic audio experts enhanced and evaluated
Several seconds pass. Then, "All right, prepare to fire!"

The order indicates that the gunshots were not spontaneous, or in response to sniper fire, as some have sugges

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reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 10:37 AM by ModernAcademia

For the few that might not be familiar with the kent state shootings here you go:

YouTube Link

I wonder if the Kent State massacre shaped america more than we know it did. Imagine if the same massacre happened today, it would not at all be considered the same, the media would have a good hold on controlling the story, I think the powers that be learned a little from that event.

Although we have to be a little skeptic with this news article at the end of the day we should support more investigation into the matter.

It's interesting to see how much life has changed

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reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 10:45 AM by ladyinwaiting

It's interesting to see anything about this after so much time has passed.
This was a horribly black, black moment in American History.

The mood was frightening. The "hippies" seemed to be taking over the social mood of the country, and effecting the American politic. TPTB couldn't have that.

The government felt the situation was getting out of control because they couldn't stop it....couldn't control the students, or the young adults wearing bell bottom jeans and flowers in their hair.

Police officers were known as "pigs", and I imagine they were very frustrated with that title. (I don't blame them, it was an unfair assessment of their work).

But I think things changed that day. If this was intentional homicide, it's not too late to make that discovery.

[edit on 5/9/2010 by ladyinwaiting]

reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 05:16 PM by Blackmarketeer

And think of all the perjury that took place by the National Guardsmen and their commander during the follow-up trial who claimed no order to fire was ever given. How hard is it to hold the government accountable?

reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 06:00 PM by Tinman67

"peaceful protests", It should be remembered that there was a building burned and attacks thrown against the NG and police that day. Firemen were also attacked.

Kent State was not the site of a simple, kind and gentle protest. Everyone that was on that campus that day were responsible for what happened.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 06:29 PM by bsbray11

The title of this thread should be,

40 years pass before they tell you the truth

Or for anyone who remembers their forefathers and what they were taught during history classes about this country, and while pondering over the words "eternal vigilance,"

Pissed off.

Maybe in 40 more years they'll finally tell the truth about JFK and 9/11 too.

reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 06:31 PM by ChrisF231

reply to post by Tinman67

+1

Several National Guardsmen and local law enforcement officers were injured, including one severely by the rioting mob throwing rocks and bottles at them.

In all fairness though, several of the students that were shot that day were not even involved with the riots. One of them was even a ROTC student.

reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 06:49 PM by Blackmarketeer

Several National Guardsmen and local law enforcement officers were injured, including one severely by the rioting mob throwing rocks and bottles at them.

"peaceful protests", It should be remembered that there was a building burned and attacks thrown against the NG and police that day. Firemen were also attacked.

For downtown Kent, this wasn't much worse than the typical end of year street party. More couches were burnt 4 years ago than 40. _javascript:icon('

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The establishment hyped the "radicals" and their "violent" protests, but then they were embarrassed they were LOSING CONTROL over opinion regarding the war.

Imagine this: Tea Partiers are fired upon by the National Guard because they are seen as a "radical threat", including one protester who FLEW HIS PLANE into the IRS building. Should ALL protesters be assumed to be such radicals? Can we not demonstrate against the government without being shot by it's troops?

[edit on 9-5-2010 by Blackmarketeer]

reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 06:49 PM by Tinman67

reply to post by ChrisF231

The question is, why were they there? The innocent bystanders that were hit were not so innocent. They had been told to leave. Everyone was ordered to leave.
Whether they stayed to watch the show or were actually a part of it is irrelevant. They placed themselves in an area that was ready to explode and did.
Where are the investigations into the arson committed on the campus that day? What about those that led the protests? Weren't they just as responsible for what happen?

reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 06:55 PM by Blackmarketeer

reply to post by Tinman67

The question is, why were they there? The innocent bystanders that were hit were not so innocent.

If I can answer for ChrisF231, Yes, many of them WERE innocent bystanders, Alison Kraus for instance was only heading to her class. Classes were not canceled. Students were walking to them when the guard crested the hill, knelt, took aim, and fired. It's a college campus, students have a tendency to amble about and congregate. The fact is, the N.G. were not trained to handle a crowd, and over-reacted. Nowadays they'd just taser the hell out of everyone and go home.

reply posted on 9-5-2010 @ 07:03 PM by Blackmarketeer

Prison Planet forum has a whole set of photos from the event.

Prison Planet Forum

One think that strikes me is how relatively tame this crowd appears by today's standards.

reply posted on 10-5-2010 @ 04:49 PM by nunya13

reply to post by Tinman67

Your justification reminds me of the travesty that happened in Mai Lai, Vietnam. Edit to add: If you don't leave when told, you deserve to die. Orders were given to leave the village because it was going to be raided and the troops that were placed there were told this and that if anyone was left behind it was because they were either the enemy or sympathizers. No one left. We don't even know if they were told to leave the village at all. If so, where were they supposed to go anyway?

"They were told to leave". How long did they give them before they started shooting into the crowd indiscriminately? What if someone didn't hear the warning over all the commotion? What if someone wasn't even AROUND when the warning was given and simply wandered into the chaos in order to get from point A to point B? What if someone thought it preposterous to believe their own National Guard would start killing people and so they called their bluff?

These aren't good reasons to die or be injured at the hands of those who are sworn to protect you.

[edit on 10-5-2010 by nunya13]

reply posted on 10-5-2010 @ 04:55 PM by nunya13

Regardless of whether it was right or wrong for the NG to do what they did, what I take away from this is just how easy it was for them to fire on civilians when given the ORDER to do so.

reply posted on 10-5-2010 @ 05:21 PM by Quickfix

So it was 40 years ago this happened.

I was not even born yet.

It just goes to show, that it will eventually happen in the future. It is not a matter of if, more of a matter of when.

reply posted on 10-5-2010 @ 05:40 PM by djvexd

reply to post by nunya13

The atmosphere was a big part of what happened at Kent. There was ALOT of animosity towards the uniform to the point of violence against returning troops from Vietnam. They weren't exactly viewed as the troops are today by the majority. The Anti-War movement was a tad more hands on then than today, though today their posture may be a direct result of Kent. It was a very different time and a very tragic day. I suppose being drafted out of your life to serve in a war to come home to abject hatred and disgust for something that may or may not have been voluntary, could alleviate someone of the guilt of obeying the order. Not saying it was right at all. Just trying to look at the mentality because while the social issues may be the same as today the overall attitude and demeanor has changed because of lessons learned.

reply posted on 28-9-2012 @ 10:37 PM by SayonaraJupiter

NIXON: "need to get out story of sniper."

New analysis of Kent State Massacre available Sept. 27, 2012

at CounterPunch www.counterpunch.org...

and Project Censored www.projectcensored.org...

Nixon reveals how history is written and on the day of the massacre of May 4, 1970, quoted by Haldeman :

"Nixon called Haldeman back and among others issued one ringing command: “need to get out story of sniper.”

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