reply to post by helen670
Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and less than equal, to other members? Even though they have different wills (“I do not seek
my own will”), do they obey without question the others’ commands (“the will of Him who sent me”)? Jesus admits to subordinating his own
distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own
will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have the exact same will?
13. The Bible says Jesus regarded God’s testimony as separate from his own.
Jesus regarded himself and God as two, not “one.”
John 8:17 and 18: “I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.”
John 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.”
If Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s testimony as separate from his own.
14 The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God
1 Corinthians 11:3 “Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is
1 Corinthians 15:28 “When he has done this, then the son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in
Since Jesus was subordinate to God, he was not God.
15. Bible says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning, but God is All Wise & does not (need to) learn.
Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise:
Psalms 147:5 “Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.”
Luke 2:52: “And Jesus increased in wisdom.”
God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned.
Heb. 5:8 “Although he was a son, he learned obedience…”
16. Bible says that Jesus had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is infinite
Mark 13:32 “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.”
Since Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the God whose knowledge
17. Bible says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be tempted
Heb. 4:15 “tempted in every way—just as we are”
James 1:13 “for God cannot be tempted by evil”
Since God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.
18. Bible says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, NOT Jesus himself
John 7:16 “So Jesus answered them and said, "My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.”
Jesus could not have said this if he were God because the doctrine would have been his.
19. Bible says that Jesus died, but God cannot die
The Bible teaches that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Immortal means, “not subject to
death.” This term applies only to God.
20. Bible says that Jesus lived because of God
John 6:57 “I live because of the Father.”
Jesus cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.
21. Bible says that Jesus’ powers were given to him
Matt 28:18 “All power is given unto me.”
God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be God.
22. Bible says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God
John 8:28 “As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,”
John 12:49 “The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.”
John 15:10 “I have kept my Father’s commandments.”
No one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing and would owe His teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God, Jesus cannot be
God himself. The teacher and the student, the commander and the commanded are not one.
to be continued....Inshallah (God Willing)