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Originally posted by Abuaisha
As i have said in my last post Allah Almighty has called Himself with his beautiful names in order to know his nature. In Islam, Almighty God is known as "Allah" and has many different attributes, or descriptive names, which explain more about His nature.There 99 attributes of Allah Almighty Lord and many more He Himself knows the best.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
We all knows that God is so Holy/Divine/Pure. According to you do you think that the part of His spirit which is so Holy is residing in us and still we human do mistakes/sins. How is this possible?
Originally posted by Abuaisha
If we think the part of God (part of His spirit) which is so holy resides in all living beings(human,jinn, animals, birds, insects, tree,bacteria, HIV Virus..etc). If i give you a list you will get amazed. Do you think they all have a spirit of God, which is His part? According to you, we carry "His part of spirit" in our flesh which is so Holy and go to impure and forbidden places. So how can you explain this?
So in such situation we can simply say that we are from God and not part of God.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
John 15:1-2 I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful
Still doesn't proves that as being the branches, we must be part of God. If you understand this verse literally than it means "God casts out Christians who don't bear fruit?"
Originally posted by Abuaisha
Did John(PBUH) bears witness that Jesus is the divine son of God? No, John bears witness that Jesus is the son of God! Anyone who knows Jewish and Israelite understanding will know that the term son of God does not denote divinity, nor does it make part of one God. The term son of God was very common amongst the people of Palestine during those days, it simply meant a man of God, a true believer(servant of God), a prophet, a messenger, and the Messiah.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
As you mentioned, no religion has a proof what "God is made of". Therefore, we have no rights or authority to say that we are part of God/Children of God/Sons of God. All these statements are invalid because we do not know what God is made up of. We can say we are "servant of God" which is more appropriate because we do not have our own "WILL/COMMAND" we obey and submit the "WILL/COMMAND" of Almighty Lord. That is the purpose of our life.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
If you have read my 1st view and agreed upon which says "He is One and cannot be more than One. Nothing is equal-to or like Him. He is Unique." So above given example "part of first tree" doesn't hold any meaning.
And by the way who came first "seed" or "tree" :-)
Originally posted by Abuaisha
As you said God is so Powerful and Great. Then why he needs a son? Do you have answer for this? Give me a logical answer.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
We are from God : It means we are creation of God. If you have read my earlier post regarding spirit & soul you would have understood how the mechanism of spirit works in our body.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
I feel that you are very confused. During our discussion you have change your stand many times.
1) Holy Spirit= Jesus Spirit + God Spirit (His part).
2) Holy Spirit = Jesus Spirit + God's Spirit(from God).
3) God's Spirit= Holy Spirit (Spirit of God).
4) Jesus Spirit = God Spirit ( God did come down himself……through Jesus!)
Let me tell you. God Spirit and God's Spirit are two different word with two different meaning. If you say "God Spirit"; means "God is Spirit (madeup of) and His part (spirit)" & 'God's Spirit' means "His creation(spirit)- a separate identity". I have given you an example of Hinduism belief in concept of God. Common Hindu believe everything is God and Islam says everything is God's. Difference of 's' makes a huge difference in his meaning & understanding. Please give me your correct understanding and belief in God.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
You again misunderstood me. I have said many times that try to understand the original manuscript. You are reading English translation which is mistranslated/misinterpreted and also you are understanding it literally. You dont read the context.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
Do you agree with me now why i have given you a meaning after reading your incorrect translation ""God casts out Christians who don't bear fruit?" which contradicts with Verse 5.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
Still doesn't proves that as being the branches, we must be part of God. If you understand this verse literally than it means "God casts out Christians who don't bear fruit?"
Originally posted by Abuaisha
The correct translation of John 15:1-2 is something like this :
"I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He raise upward; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit"
Originally posted by Abuaisha
Another reason why this argument is false is because to begin with the Jews were unbelievers, so their opinion isn't and doesn't mean much. So instead of seeing what the unbelieving Jews thought of Jesus(PBUH), why don't we look at what the masses believed of Jesus(PBUH)…
Originally posted by Abuaisha
For sake of argument i agree with you that Jesus(PBUH) is son of God. Do you have any explanation for below verses.
Adam, which was the son of God.” (Luke 3:38).
“Israel is my son, even my firstborn.” (Exodus 4:22)
“I will be his father, and he shall be my son.” (2 Samuel 7:13-14)
“for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.” (Jeremiah 31:9)
Originally posted by Abuaisha
I'm quoting above verses because of your below statement...
Again, if the term “son of God” was very common, then why did the Jews take offence to Jesus using it? This is also tied in with my other argument, i.e. why would Jesus be accused of being the “son of God” at his trial, if it was just a common phrase that denoted no divinity? This doesn’t make any sense…
Please give me some explanation for those verses comparing to yours statement above which you are trying to prove me that Jews thought that he was a divine son of God and wanted to kill him.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
It is as if this misunderstood word for “son” is waving a big sign on which is painted in bold letters: METAPHOR! Most scholars agree that the Aramaic or Hebrew word behind ‘son’ is ‘servant.’ So as the Spirit descends on Jesus at his baptism, Jesus is addressed by the voice from heaven in terms of Isaiah 42:1: ‘Behold my servant … my chosen … I have put my Spirit upon him.’ So although Mark 1:11 and 9:7 affirm that Jesus is called by God to a special messianic task, the emphasis is on Jesus’ role as the anointed servant, rather than as Son of God.
Isaiah 42:1
"Here is my servant, whom I uphold,
my chosen one in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him
and he will bring justice to the nations.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
Verily! This is the true narrative (about the story of Jesus(PBUH)), and La ilaha ill-Allah (none has the right to be worshiped with Allah, the One and the Only true God, Who has neither a wife nor a son). And indeed, Allah is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.(Quran 3:62)
The many great miracles performed by the Lord through the apostles and the abundant gifts of the Holy Spirit,
which moved through them,
excited in the believers reverential fear and,
at the same time,
joy and happiness.
They tried in everything to fulfil the commandments of Christ and to live holy and pure lives.
The believers gathered in the Temple every day and listened to preaching of the apostles; and on the day of the Resurrection,
the first day of the week,
Sunday, they gathered in homes for the breaking of bread — the sacrament of Holy Communion.
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Does the above verse means that Isreal is a divine son of God. This is just an expression to show the important of the place. Lift or give high status to that place(Israel) compare to other lands on the earth.