I take it he is not a history teacher, since he doesn't even understand how we legally acquired the area he is saying is 'stolen mexico.'

This is the crap they teach in universities now. I'd like to see him try speaking out like this in Mexico or another latin american nation. I'm sure he would be rewarded with a bullet or two.

Looks like we're on the route to another Civil War in the United States.

All I have to say is, come get it. I'm tired of entitled spoiled brats that think liberty and rights means 'everything gets handed over on a silver platter'. This is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
Looks like we're on the route to another Civil War in the United States.

There was an article in a US Army magazine called Armor, that I read before 2002.

The article's title was America's Palestinians.

It theorized that within so many years the US Southwest would be consumed by an intifada style insurgency created by illegal immigrants and Mexican-Americans.

Sad thing schmucks like this don't understand that the only people he is riling up are citizens and naturalized citizens. And in turn it is making it harder for the people here illegally to work and make money for their families. Illegals aren't gonna want to attract attention to themselves by acting or protesting on rhetoric like this. Which is why I know it is garbage when the media tries to portray these massive protests as the illegal community here in the US. Maybe 2% of them if you're lucky, are protesting. The rest are silently telling these boneheads to shut the hell up, or you are gonna get us caught and deported. And my source is my best friend and a former coworker, both illegal, one Mexican and the other Jamaican. Last thing they want to do is to draw attention to themselves.

Call for an armed revolution in a public venue and not be Mexican and see how quickly the FBI raids your home and arrests you.

Seriously, our state and federal governments are responsible for this mess.

We have invited and allowed illegal immigration to go on for too long, which in a booming economy never got any attention... Now it has attention and no one wants to really address it.

Fact is, we are going to have to address it sooner or later before this does erupt into violent conflicts inside of our country.

Many try to make this an issue of race, but it isn't it is an issue of sovereignty and national security... Always has been and has been always neglected.

This is going to get very ugly, more so if our states and federal governments continue to avoid action on it.

My fear is that some small outbreak of violence could lead to a much larger conflict... And only then will the government see a reason to act.

Too late.

I cannot view the video from this computer but I think I get the jest of what is being said/going on in this video. I would not be suprised at all of someone inciting mexican immigrants and illegals to rise up against america or americans. And the fact is they have literally built themselves an 'army' right here in the united states. This is another very good reason for immigration reform. But anyone who threatens me and mine, better be faster, smarter, and have more ammo.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Seriously, our state and federal governments are responsible for this mess.

We have invited and allowed illegal immigration to go on for too long, which in a booming economy never got any attention... Now it has attention and no one wants to really address it.



Many try to make this an issue of race, but it isn't it is an issue of sovereignty and national security... Always has been and has been always neglected.


Too late.

Yes Too Late

TPTB are INVADING AMERICA with cheap labor.
In 1950 America was 89%white,9%black,2%other.
America has not had a sane immigration policy for almost 50 years.
America now has what can only be described as an INVASION POLICY.
America now lets into this country somewhere between 2 and 5 million
persons per year legally and illegally.

Lets just pick the number 3 million.
If 3 million people enter the country every year that amounts to
300 million people in 100 years.
But that doesn't count their children.

Lets forget about any future immigration.
Lets just start with 20 million illegals here. Half are females. That's 10 million. If they have 4 children each that's 40million children in the first generation here.
20 years later the second generation of 20 million females has 4 children each. That's 80 million more children.


0 years first generation = 20 million plus 40 million babies
20 years second generation = 40 million plus 80 million babies (20 m x 4)
40 years third generation = 80 million plus 160 million babies
60 years fourth generation = 160 million plus 320 million babies
(At 60 years the first 20 million reach the age of 80 and die off so you can subtract 20 million from the total here)
80 years fifth generation = 320 million plus 640 million babies.
(At 80 years the second generation of 40 million die off so you
can subtract that number)

total number 20 million + 40m + 80m + 160m + 320 m + 640m = 1,260m
minus 20m + 40m = 1,200 million or 1.2 billion people

This does not take into account anyone other than the original 20 million illegal aliens. This also presumes a birthrate of 4. There is some evidence the actual birthrate might be as high as 7.

So we would have 1.2 billion additional people here in 80 years just from the original 20 million. What if some of the other 300 million decide to have MORE than the replacement birthrate of 2? Well just add a few more billions to numbers. What would life be like here with 2 or 3 billion people
living in the USA. No room,no food,no water,no resources,etc.


This is the real truth.
This thread will be deleted.
The original poster will be banned like TruBlue.

Originally posted by maddogron
Caesar realized that deploying skilled agent provocateurs to exploit these differences, prime them and capitalize on them would give Rome great advantage"... man this is a great story!!!!!!!!

Ok, all well and good. I agree with you, but I don't understand how this is helping anything. You do realize the response right? It's just going to be people screaming about illegals and mexicans. It's debatable as to if it's illegals or natural citizens. I'm going to tell you from my personal experience, most of these people are actually citizens. They are punks to be sure but, still citizens. I get slurred with all sorts of names from sympathizer to "progressive" for daring to think this might be overblown, but that's what I think it is-overblown. The Black Panthers made noise in the late 60's and early 70's too. Don't see a separatist black nation here. Why does ATS give so much time and attention to idiots who don't matter?

[edit on 9-5-2010 by antonia]

Well if the Mexicans really want to get all historical I'm pretty sure the Queen, the French, the Spanish and the Native American Indians all also have claim to those states.

I have no problem with peaceful protest and dissent. But when you try to incite violence you are a criminal.

If that was Alex Jones calling for armed revolution they'd already have him and his entire extended family in Gitmo.

All that this rabble-rouser is going to accomplish is to get a lot of poor, ignorant people killed. Even if MS-13 puts their support behind this, and the drug cartels, they are still collectively out-classed by the US military, even if just the national guard are mobilized to take care of this situation. It's like that old poster of the mouse flipping off the eagle. Noble, possibly but ultimately futile.