Thanks for the OP

The animation provided, actually is around for a long time as far as I remember. David Icke in one of his books “I don’t remember the name (on the fly)” explains beautifully the existence of the planet Venus/Noah’s flood and its impact in our global culture


As for evil…

The real name is Ahriman (the one who is responsible for all”principal and prime evil roots” in this world). Satan is an “accuser” while Lucifer is a “light bringer”.

I don’t see any connections between Stan/Lucifer/Ahriman.

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tori amos, a minster's daughter and student of the gnostic texts, titled one of her albums "to venus and back", or "to hell and back" to the initiated. just my 2 cents

Question: "Is Lucifer Satan? Does the fall of Lucifer describe Satan?"

Answer: There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is likely the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28.

Isaiah 14:12-18 describes the fall from heaven of one called “Lucifer” in the King James Version and the “morning star, son of the dawn” in the NIV. Other Bible versions call him “Day Star,” “shining star,” and “the bright morning star.” These variations are due to differences of opinion about how to translate the Hebrew word helel. Regardless, the description of the one referred to shows us it can be none other than Satan. We know from Jesus’ own words in Luke 10 that Satan fell from heaven. So, when Isaiah refers to Lucifer or helel being cast down to earth (Isaiah 14:12), it can be none other than Satan. The reason for his fall is found in verses 13 and 14: “You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’” This has always been Satan’s desire – to be God, and it is the very temptation he used in the Garden of Eden to get Eve to disobey God: “You shall be as God” (Genesis 3:5).

Ezekiel 28 is another passage thought to refer to Lucifer/Satan. Although it begins with Ezekiel being commanded by God to “take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre” (v. 12), an evil idolatrous king, it soon becomes clear that the passage is referring as well to the power behind that king—Satan. Verse 13 says he was “in Eden, the garden of God.” Clearly, the king of Tyre was never in Eden. Verse 14 says, “You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you.” Apparently, Lucifer/Satan had a position of guardian angel in heaven “among the fiery stones,” thought to be the shining precious jewels that are seen in other descriptions of heaven (Exodus 24:10; Revelation 21:18-21). Since the king of Tyre was never in heaven, either, this can only be describing Lucifer. The rest of the passage describes the reason he was cast out of heaven. Because of his beauty, his heart became proud and his wisdom was corrupted (v. 17). Pride in his perfection, wisdom and beauty (v. 12) became the source of his downfall, and God threw him to the earth (v. 17). This was witnessed by the Lord Jesus in heaven before His incarnation (Luke 10:18).

To summarize, the Hebrew word helel is translated "Lucifer." He was cast out of heaven for his sin of pride and his desire to be God. Jesus referred to seeing Satan being cast out of heaven. Therefore, we can conclude that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.

At school various names for Satan were used, Beelezebub, Lucifer etc. I think some of the confusion comes, (apart from the general one of Lucifer being Satan), because Lucifer was the 'Bringer of Light', the first being to descend to earth, from a Theosophical point of view. The light bringer then got transposed onto Venus, which is bright and rises in the morning.

However the Bringer of Light is a primordial light - when you go through the days of creation in Genesis, it rarely pointed out that the plant world was created before the sun. Its a huge bloomer because no light no photosynthesis no plant world.

Perhaps its a great shame that having created the world and all in it, God did not bother to dictate his own autobiography.

Originally posted by PronoEast

To summarize, the Hebrew word helel is translated "Lucifer." He was cast out of heaven for his sin of pride and his desire to be God. Jesus referred to seeing Satan being cast out of heaven. Therefore, we can conclude that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.

Then by your own logic, Satan and Jesus are the same, because in Revelation 22:16 Jesus says "I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." So if the morning star is Lucifer, and Lucifer is Satan...

Originally posted by Northwarden
I agree with this completely. To look at the potential reality of it too, that's centuries of steeped association as well, and in that conveyance of understanding,

But it's centuries of belief based on a typo in one translation. The "L" in lucifer wasn't supposed to be capitalized in the King James Bible. It's not supposed to be a proper name in that passage.

Now if you really want to warp your belief system, consider the possibility that King James was a Mason himself and that the English scholars and men of society that he hired to make the KJV may have also been Masons... For those who would believe Freemasonry is a Satanic tool, wouldn't it be the ultimate irony if we wrote your bible???

Interesting thread.... I read the beginning, not the middle, or end, but if the OP is still around I thought I would correct you, and whoever the author was of the book you quoted.

Lucifer was actually a planet that is now the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. It is known by MANY different names in ancient history from all over the world. It was mostly a water covered planet, and it's illumination was so great that it was also known as our solar systems 'second sun'(lookup reference's to our solar systems second sun in ancient history, again mentioned Many times from accounts from all corners of the Earth).

The planet was destroyed (Stitchen says Nibiru smashed into it.... disinfo - he was a Freemason). It was the destroyed in the war of the Gods that again you can read about in basically every ancient historical text. After it's destruction(explosion) all the water that was flown out into space was the cause for such things as Noah's Flood.

I could go on, but I wouldn't be doing you a favor by just telling your. However you can copy and paste various words/refferences I have given into a search engine of your choice and educate yourself )

Hi you all. I'm new in this website. Though the thematics here discussed are highly interesting.

I read this topic and I've 3 main questions I'd like to see answered...

1 - What's the difference between the 5 and 6 pointed stars? Do they both represent Venus?

2 - Is there any record (stone, obelisc, pyramidon, stela, papyrus, monument, sarcophage, tomb, etc...) where this association between IS-RA-EL is clearly made?

3 - Law is Law. It is normally written somewhere. Where can I get Admiralty law from (please official sources)? In which article can we read that, since the foetus is within the waters of his mother, the admiralty law do apply to him and that, when he is born, he is considered a merchandise being delivered to the dock/doc?

Thank you so much for your help. Sorry for the 2 remained questions out of context. But I'm desperade to have answers...

Appreciate it.

Hephem

The word Lucifer is found in only one place in the Bible,Isaiah 14:12,but only in the King James and related versions...

Lucifer is mentioned only in the Old Testament and Satan doesn’t arrive until the New Testament...

Jesus is also known as the "Morning Star" in the New Testament,which makes everything all the more confusing...

But before either the Old or New Testament,Venus was known as the "Morning Star"...

Plato,born in 428 bc,pre-dates the New Testament and some of the re-writes of the Old Testament and he wrote in his work called Timaeus...

"First,there was the Moon in the orbit nearest the Earth and next the Sun,in the second orbit above the Earth. Then came the "morning star" and the star sacred to Hermes,moving in orbits which have an equal swiftness with the Sun,but in an opposite direction and this is the reason why the Sun and Hermes and Lucifer overtake and are overtaken by each other."

Plato is clearly speaking of Lucifer as being the actual planet Venus,with Hermes as being the planet Mercury, moving in orbits which have an equal swiftness with the Sun...

It appears that the misogyny of the early Solar cults and the later Roman church surely had a part to play in linking the feminine Venus with Satan...

There are also many pre-Christian myths and allegories that include stories about Lucifer,which is the Latin name for the Greek Eosphoros...

In Greek mythology,Hesperus is the Evening Star,the planet Venus in the evening.He is the son of the dawn goddess Eos,Roman Aurora and is the brother of Eosphorus,also called Phosphorus and Lucifer,the Morning Star...

Hesperus,whos Roman equivalent is Vesper,the evening star in the west.Hesperus father was Cephalus,a mortal,while Eosphoros was the star god Astraio...

In the oldest Zoroastrian allegories,Mithra is supposed to have conquered the planet Venus...

In the Christian tradition,Michael defeats Lucifer...

The Solar cults,of which Christian is just the most recent,feared the mythic power of the Divine Feminine and this is one of the reasons for the confusion over Lucifer’s true identity..

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